Who Will Clean Up Jets' Mess? Idzik Talked Himself Out - Merged

[#27TheDominator]

At some point, the Jets have to stop with the partial changing of the guard. Demoting Bradway rather than firing him. Firing Mangini, but keeping Schottenheimer. Firing Tannenbaum, but keeping Rex. 

 

Unlike two years ago, the Jets GM position could be a very attractive one after this season. Fire Idzik and Ryan. The team has plenty of cap space (thanks, Idzik!), and a high pick. The new GM would have total control to hire scouting and coaching staffs (and fire Bradway, if he wants to). This is a better time to do it than after a couple years of Idzik being forced to spend that room, and a couple more years of his drafts. 

 

Yeah, he will've gotten the short stick here, but at some point they need to do a complete overhaul. They haven't done that since Parcells left. 

 

 

Not really.  When Parcells left he suggested Groh and then Bradway and then Tannenbaum who kept Bradway around.  They need a FULL house cleaning.  I can see the point about lack of accountability, but that stems from this kind of bullsh*t and everybody looking to survive when the other guy(s) get fired.  They should all be on the hook together. 

[JustInFudge]

I've been slowly tuning the Jets out on Sundays. It's an unwatchable product. 

 

What did it for me was the Monday Night game vs. the Bears.  I got to watch the rest of the league that Sunday without the distractions of the Jets and it was like a smack in the face coming to the realization that this team is garbage from top to bottom and probably the worst roster in the league.  I made the claim that day, bottom 3 roster in the league.  It was probably the only day I've ever been right on this board. 

[freestater]

Idzik is completely out of his depth. 19 picks. One single solid contributor.

 

Woody should demand his money back from Korn/Ferry.

[jgb]

Here's what happens because its the Jets:

 

Season ends - Jets are 3-13

Rex Fired

Idzik retained.

Idzik pick Head Coach

Head Coach is terrible

Jets suck

Woody gives another year

Jets suck

Head Coach fired

Idzik fired

 

Start all over again  in 2017.

 

Yay!!!!!!!!!!

 

close but woody will keep new HC and look for a replacement for idzik, no real candidates will take the job if they can't pick the HC so we will get another slug from under a rock that has been languishing in some other team's back office for over a decade, then the new GM will fire the new coach after a year or two and pick a new crappy HC because no accomplished coach will want to work under said slug, ad infinitim

[freestater]

close but woody will keep new HC and look for a replacement for idzik, no real candidates will take the job if they can't pick the HC so we will get another slug from under a rock that has been languishing in some other team's back office for over a decade, then the new GM will fire the new coach after a year or two and pick a new crappy HC because no accomplished coach will want to work under said slug, ad infinitim

...probably the most accurate scenario.

[jgb]

Idzik is completely out of his depth. 19 picks. One single solid contributor.

 

Woody should demand his money back from Korn/Ferry.

 

it's funny that anyone needs a search firm when everyone already knows anyone in the league. well except for back office clerks like idzik, which is all you get when you tie ridiculous conditions to what really should be a dream job

[jgb]

...probably the most accurate scenario.

 

when predicting the future, always imagine the most painful set of circumstances for jets fans and you will likely hit the mark

[Bugg]

“Revis has got to go,” is what Johnson was saying, one source told the Daily News on Tuesday.

Why is an owner making that kind of decision? EIther his contract made sense or it didn't given his contribution. Now in 2013, may be it didn't. In 2014 it might have. But this MORON made a football decision based on a childish fit, and a decision that should not have been his at all.

And that's the point; the owner is the core problem here.

[Matt39]

What did it for me was the Monday Night game vs. the Bears. I got to watch the rest of the league that Sunday without the distractions of the Jets and it was like a smack in the face coming to the realization that this team is garbage from top to bottom and probably the worst roster in the league. I made the claim that day, bottom 3 roster in the league. It was probably the only day I've ever been right on this board.

I told you that in 2012 and you didn't want to believe me.

[jgb]

Why is an owner making that kind of decision? EIther his contract made sense or it didn't given his contribution. Now in 2013, may be it didn't. In 2014 it might have. But this MORON made a football decision based on a childish fit, and a decision that should not have been his at all.

And that's the point; the owner is the core problem here.

 

a man living on the inherited wealth of his worthy progenitors who has never worked a day in his life having a childish fit? unlikely

 

the highlight of woody's life was coming out of the right wiener

[JustInFudge]

I told you that in 2012 and you didn't want to believe me.

 

You did but I was trying on something new during the Rex Ryan era, optimism. I wanted to believe.  That didnt work out so well.  The old JiF is back.

[Matt39]

a man living on the inherited wealth of his worthy progenitors who has never worked a day in his life having a childish fit? unlikely

 

the highlight of woody's life was coming out of the right wiener

 

And he promoted Mike Tannenbaum, a sports lawyer and longtime Jets employee, to general manager of football in 2006. "You can't run a business in Paris if you aren't Parisian," Johnson says, quoting his grandfather. "These are the guys who know the business. They're the experts."

[jgb]

And he promoted Mike Tannenbaum, a sports lawyer and longtime Jets employee, to general manager of football in 2006. "You can't run a business in Paris if you aren't Parisian," Johnson says, quoting his grandfather. "These are the guys who know the business. They're the experts."

 

man woody sure showed himself to be an everyman with that quote right up there with "let them eat cake" to quote an actual Parisian

[Matt39]

man woody sure showed himself to be an everyman with that quote right up there with "let them eat cake" to quote an actual Parisian

 

lol

[jeremy2020]

That wasn't a bye week. 

 

then how comes the Jets didn't play this past week?

[T0mShane]

The scouting dept needs a total new sets of eyes. It starts with the GM...

Here's the thing, though. It's literally impossible to miss on all the draft picks and UDFAs that the Jets have brought in the last six years under Rex. Every team in the league produces low-round and undrafted players that emerge into contributors...except for the Rex Ryan Jets. The problem is the program.

[BallinPB]

I don't know the answer but if this was multiple choice, John Idzik would be crossed out first

[jeremy2020]

"Idzik is doing fine, you cant judge his drafts yet"

 

Let's look at the team that just spanked the Jets up and down the field. 

 

Buffalo players drafted in 2014 that have started/played significant roles:

 

Sammy Watkins (WR)

Preston Brown (LB)

Cyril Richardson (G)

Seantrel Henderson (OT)

 

Buffalo Players drafted in 2013 that have started/played significant roles:

 

Robert Woods (WR)

Kiko Alonso (LB)

Marquise Goodwin (WR)

Duke Williams (S)

Chris Gragg (TE)

 

 

2014 Notable Signings/Trades:

 

Kyle Orton (QB)

Chris Williams (G)

Mike Williams (WR)

Brandon Spikes (LB)

Anthony Dixon (RB)

 

I'll skip 2013 Signing/Trades since the Jets were clearing cap space.

[Integrity28]

Here's the thing, though. It's literally impossible to miss on all the draft picks and UDFAs that the Jets have brought in the last six years under Rex. Every team in the league produces low-round and undrafted players that emerge into contributors...except for the Rex Ryan Jets. The problem is the program.

 

... In that there is no program.

[T0mShane]

"Idzik is doing fine, you cant judge his drafts yet"

Let's look at the team that just spanked the Jets up and down the field.

Buffalo players drafted in 2014 that have started/played significant roles:

Sammy Watkins (WR)

Preston Brown (LB)

Cyril Richardson (G)

Seantrel Henderson (OT)

Buffalo Players drafted in 2013 that have started/played significant roles:

Robert Woods (WR)

Kiko Alonso (LB)

Marquise Goodwin (WR)

Duke Williams (S)

Chris Gragg (TE)

2014 Notable Signings/Trades:

Kyle Orton (QB)

Chris Williams (G)

Mike Williams (WR)

Brandon Spikes (LB)

Anthony Dixon (RB)

I'll skip 2013 Signing/Trades since the Jets were clearing cap space.

Remember when Buffalo and Cleveland were both going to go 0-16 because their coaches were too mean?

[rillo]

Wait, Terry Bradway is still around the organization?

[faba]

Buffalo was going nowhere this year until they changed QB's just sayin- again it comes down to can you get competent QB play

[jeremy2020]

Buffalo was going nowhere this year until they changed QB's just sayin- again it comes down to can you get competent QB play

 

Kyle Orton managed to stabilize their team. If you don't have a QB, you need to get a QB who doesn't turn it over. Jets got...Vick...a guy known for turning the ball over to back up their turn over prone prospect. That's not even going into Vick's 'collecting mah paycheck' attitude. 

[jgb]

Buffalo was going nowhere this year until they changed QB's just sayin- again it comes down to can you get competent QB play

 

 

Kyle Orton managed to stabilize their team. If you don't have a QB, you need to get a QB who doesn't turn it over. Jets got...Vick...a guy known for turning the ball over to back up their turn over prone prospect. That's not even going into Vick's 'collecting mah paycheck' attitude. 

 

hmmm i don't know maybe it makes sense to get a competent but unspectacular vet to keep the seat warm while our 3rd "QB of the future" in the Rex era actually get a chance to learn the playbook and get acclimated to being in the NFL before being thrown in?

[LionelRichie]

It's a rebuild for sure, but there are pieces here, and we're going to have to get pieces at QB and OLB that fit the next coach's system. There is potential at corner with Milliner and McDougle, Pryor won't look as sh*tty if he's allowed to do what he does. Then there's the sh*tload of cap space to invest in a vet corner, guard, etc, especially after all this veteran, Rex-infused trash is shown the door. Idzik may well turn out to be incompetent, but we won't know that until next year at the earliest, imo.

 

out of curiosity who do you have lined up at QB on your fantasy Jets team?   

[Smashmouth]

Amazing we'll be starting from scratch again next season. But rock bottom is what this franchise needed I guess...

the KC chiefs won 2 games changed the entire complexion of the team by hiring Andy Reid and signing Alex Smith .... they won 11 . No reason to think this team can't turn it around rather quickly with a solid Young QB like Mariota and a new GMand HC. If we can sign a solid FA at corner and clean house of the crap we currently have at the position and then sign a true number 1 WR this team can improve by a large margin fairly quickly if we have a few good drafts in a row.

[#27TheDominator]

Another crock of sh*t.  Lack of a program?  Sure, Harrison, Allen, Slauson, those sh*tty Gs they have starting now - Powell, Kerley, Cumberland.  These guys are not world beaters, but it is not the "program" it is the lack of talent.  Add to that the years with 3 draft picks and this is what you get.  FWIW, Buffalo did not spank the Jets up and down the field.  They took advantage of (some of) the gazillion turnovers they were handed. 

[Smashmouth]

It's a rebuild for sure, but there are pieces here, and we're going to have to get pieces at QB and OLB that fit the next coach's system. There is potential at corner with Milliner and McDougle, Pryor won't look as sh*tty if he's allowed to do what he does. Then there's the sh*tload of cap space to invest in a vet corner, guard, etc, especially after all this veteran, Rex-infused trash is shown the door. Idzik may well turn out to be incompetent, but we won't know that until next year at the earliest, imo.

I agree with everything you say here but Milliner is total garbage his so called great 4 games at the end of last year were against teams that may have had worse passing games than us. The guy is horrid and a total bust IMHO and even the short period of work this year was laughable he gets burned constantly and fooled as well.

[GenoandtheJets]

Idzik definitely wont because he hopefully gets removed from his general manager duties. That's the best way to fix things. Remember this is not Rex Ryans fault. Hopefully W.Johnson realizes what a mistake it was hiring such an incompetent general manager.That he quickly this offseason hires a general manager who can evaluate talent and sign players to fit the needs of this team. The best thing about Tannenbaum was that he actually spent a lot on players that won and went to back to back afc championship appearances.

If Idzik keeps his job this franchise will only go more backward and further into mediocrity. There has to be a new hiring of a general manager this offseason its the only way the Jets get better.

[T0mShane]

Another crock of sh*t. Lack of a program? Sure, Harrison, Allen, Slauson, those sh*tty Gs they have starting now - Powell, Kerley, Cumberland. These guys are not world beaters, but it is not the "program" it is the lack of talent. Add to that the years with 3 draft picks and this is what you get. FWIW, Buffalo did not spank the Jets up and down the field. They took advantage of (some of) the gazillion turnovers they were handed.

An amazing run of untalented players brought through the door under two GMs now. That's gotta be a record-setting coincidence.

[#27TheDominator]

An amazing run of untalented players brought through the door under two GMs now. That's gotta be a record-setting coincidence.

 

Yes, that ******* Rex Ryan.  Only he could fail to develop a 147 lb fumbling punt returner with a seizure condition into a slot receiver!

 

 

*EDIT: Oh wait, I'm sorry.  According to Warfish it is actually on Rex that the fidget was even drafted.  Revis didn't want to come back, so that meant that Rex was A-OK with going into the season with Dimitri Patterson

[Integrity28]

Another crock of sh*t.  Lack of a program?  Sure, Harrison, Allen, Slauson, those sh*tty Gs they have starting now - Powell, Kerley, Cumberland.  These guys are not world beaters, but it is not the "program" it is the lack of talent.  Add to that the years with 3 draft picks and this is what you get.  FWIW, Buffalo did not spank the Jets up and down the field.  They took advantage of (some of) the gazillion turnovers they were handed. 

 

So, the Bills don't credit for making any of those turnovers - it's all on the Jets for "giving" them to them? 

 

LOL at this whole post.

[T0mShane]

Yes, that ******* Rex Ryan. Only he could fail to develop a 147 lb fumbling punt returner with a seizure condition into a slot receiver!

*EDIT: Oh wait, I'm sorry. According to Warfish it is actually on Rex that the fidget was even drafted. Revis didn't want to come back, so that meant that Rex was A-OK with going into the season with Dimitri Patterson

Jalen Saunders: The Man Who Brought Down Rex Ryan, Retroactively

[Jack Straw]

An amazing run of untalented players brought through the door under two GMs now. That's gotta be a record-setting coincidence.

 

Do you seriously think the previous 15 years of learned football skills that most of these players accumulated prior to being drafted by the Jets is instantly destroyed the minute they enter the Rex Ryan School of Football? Or do you think most of these players suddenly become incapable of advancing their skill-set beyond their current level because of Rex's program?

 

Or do you think it's more likely these players were never as good as previously thought and were put into positions that were beyond their skill level? 

 

I'm thinking it's the last scenario that's most likely. Blaming Rex because Jace Amaro can't catch a football seems dumb. Blaming Rex because Jalen Saunders is 160lbs is dumb. Blaming Rex because you drafted a college offensive tackle in Brian Winters to play guard seems dumb. Blaming Rex because you drafted a defensive tackle in William Campbell to play guard seems dumb.

 

Rex deserves plenty of blame, but pretending that the last two drafts aren't the fault of Idzik is silly.

[T0mShane]

Do you seriously think the previous 15 years of learned football skills that most of these players accumulated prior to being drafted by the Jets is instantly destroyed the minute they enter the Rex Ryan School of Football? Or do you think most of these players suddenly become incapable of advancing their skill-set beyond their current level because of Rex's program?

Or do you think it's more likely these players were never as good as previously thought and were put into positions that were beyond their skill level?

I'm thinking it's the last scenario that's most likely. Blaming Rex because Jace Amaro can't catch a football seems dumb. Blaming Rex because Jalen Saunders is 160lbs is dumb. Blaming Rex because you drafted a college offensive tackle in Brian Winters to play guard seems dumb. Blaming Rex because you drafted a defensive tackle in William Campbell to play guard seems dumb.

Rex deserves plenty of blame, but pretending that the last two drafts aren't the fault of Idzik is silly.

Really, it's Idzik's last six drafts.