The Price of a WIN

[ManCave Analyst]

For all those pundits who say the players suit up and "Play to Win the Game" as a season draws to a close and ensures a losing record, you cost us HOPE. We all agree that each player should be mentally and physically prepared to play, even for one down. But, the win vs TEN ( wk 14 ) and that last game of the season win vs MIA cost us Mariota. The decision of Rex's fate had already been made and so so too the evaluation of his staff. I am not advocating TANKING a game like "SUCK FOR LUCK" but, those 2 meaningless games were very COSTLY. What I am saying is:

1. Rather than play a starter who is injured and risking further and more serious injury, Sit Him and play his backup. Then, I tell that player "Show me What You Got" and see how he performs. You are playing for our Team's or your next Team's evaluation.

2. I carefully consider my play selection at certain points on 3rd down or Red Zone opportunities. I am not purposely giving up a turnover, but, select a play with a lesser chance of success vs the opponent's matchup would go unnoticed by many.

3. Timeout selection or player substation when he is winded gives our opposing teams a greater opportunity for success, so I choose wisely.

Again, I am not saying we approach it like a last pre season game, but, I would carefully consider every decision regarding these late season games carefully. As long as the players on the field played their hearts out and we were entertained , those in attendance wouldn't even notice.

I hope the bounty of 3 or even 2 1st rd picks to move up when we need them next year discourages them from pulling the trigger. Listening to Maccagnan's press conference yesterday left me with an opinion that he is a bright man who carefully selects his words and has a plan. But, I still remember watching those games we won and saying to my son "That cost a Good Player in the Draft".

[prime21]

[AFJF]

[Dcat]

+1.  

 

Then again, I believe I did hear myself yapping about Rex winning in week 17, the Miami game, two years ago because with a Jets loss to Miami in that game, we would have picked ahead of the NY Giants with a loss and would have had O. Beckham Jr., instead of Calvin Pryor.  So I guess it's only natural for fans to want to get the best possible player.  Drove me crazy when the Giants took OBJ and still does, so I do get Manalyst's point to a degree.

[AFJF]

+1.  

 

Then again, I believe I did hear myself yapping about Rex winning in week 17, the Miami game, two years ago because with a Jets loss to Miami in that game, we would have picked ahead of the NY Giants with a loss and would have had O. Beckham Jr., instead of Calvin Pryor.  So I guess it's only natural for fans to want to get the best possible player.  Drove me crazy when the Giants took OBJ and still does, so I do get Manalyst's point to a degree.

 

Idzik was in charge...no way of knowing if they would've gone with OBJ.  Only rumors I saw about Idzik was that he wanted to trade up for a different WR (Lee?)

[DaBallhawk]

[prime21]

What he is saying is totally absurd. Calling plays or timeouts during a game to give your opponent an advantage should NEVER be option. This would be worse than deflate gate, video recording, bounties etc.

the Jets sucked last year. You almost expected them to lose those last two games which would help their draft positioning but once that whistle blows who here is getting upset when Geno threw a td? When Ivory ran somebody over? When Richardson got a sack on 3rd down? If you were booing those plays and hoping it didn't happen because you wanted to lose the game then do yourself a favor and never put on a Jet cap, jersey' or t shirt again and watch the redzone channel all day on Sunday's.

[ChuckkieB]

Tanking games and not putting 100% effort on all fronts to win a game destroys the competitive integrity of the league.  If the fans cant trust the results of each game, there's no point in even playing the games or watching them.

[ManCave Analyst]

What he is saying is totally absurd. Calling plays or timeouts during a game to give your opponent an advantage should NEVER be option. This would be worse than deflate gate, video recording, bounties etc.

the Jets sucked last year. You almost expected them to lose those last two games which would help their draft positioning but once that whistle blows who here is getting upset when Geno threw a td? When Ivory ran somebody over? When Richardson got a sack on 3rd down? If you were booing those plays and hoping it didn't happen because you wanted to lose the game then do yourself a favor and never put on a Jet cap, jersey' or t shirt again and watch the redzone channel all day on Sunday's.

Oh, Stop It !!!! One play when the season is over doesn't make you a FAN. Watching them and trying to look for hope throughout the past decades of mediocrity or poor seasons kind of does. Listening to fans from other teams mock us hurts, but, often is well deserved. All I am saying is when we make our pick, "Who could we have drafted if we didn't WIN that game. Instead of that pick going to somebody else.

[Gastineau Lives]

What he is saying is totally absurd. Calling plays or timeouts during a game to give your opponent an advantage should NEVER be option. This would be worse than deflate gate, video recording, bounties etc.

the Jets sucked last year. You almost expected them to lose those last two games which would help their draft positioning but once that whistle blows who here is getting upset when Geno threw a td? When Ivory ran somebody over? When Richardson got a sack on 3rd down? If you were booing those plays and hoping it didn't happen because you wanted to lose the game then do yourself a favor and never put on a Jet cap, jersey' or t shirt again and watch the redzone channel all day on Sunday's.

Real fans root for wins in a lost season, except when a REALLY good player is entering the draft, amirite??

[prime21]

Oh, Stop It !!!! One play when the season is over doesn't make you a FAN. Watching them and trying to look for hope throughout the past decades of mediocrity or poor seasons kind of does. Listening to fans from other teams mock us hurts, but, often is well deserved. All I am saying is when we make our pick, "Who could we have drafted if we didn't WIN that game. Instead of that pick going to somebody else.

You are giving scenarios of throwing a game in the middle of a game.

You said. " 2. I carefully consider my play selection at certain points on 3rd down or Red Zone opportunities. I am not purposely giving up a turnover, but, select a play with a lesser chance of success vs the opponent's matchup would go unnoticed by many." You are talking about throwing a game??? You want to start Matt Simms in the last game of the season then fine but once the whistle blows you give Simms very opportunity to succeed in that game and you make the calls necessary to win that game. I don't care how long I. Have been a suffering Jets fan, I always root for success when that whistle blows.

[dbatesman]

Dumb thread, winning is Awesome and Prior will be a great one

[section314]

Tanking games and not putting 100% effort on all fronts to win a game destroys the competitive integrity of the league.  If the fans cant trust the results of each game, there's no point in even playing the games or watching them.

Do you think the Colt fans give a rats ass now about tanking to get Luck?

[prime21]

Real fans root for wins in a lost season, except when a REALLY good player is entering the draft, amirite??

Not me, especially when it is a divison rival like Miami. I sat there watched the game and thought to myself" they will probably lose and we should get the 3 rd pick". Whistle blows and Im like "**** you Miami' way to go Geno to Deker". I'm not thinking about the draft as I'm sure the players and coaches weren't either.

[prime21]

Do you think the Colt fans give a rats ass now about tanking to get Luck?

4 months after the season I wouldn't care that we went 0-16 and can draft Winston but in real time during the season I am rooting for my Jets to win.

[section314]

As far as integrity goes, two years ago Miami had a chance to go to the playoffs with a win. In that case, the Jets definitely had an obligation to try to win. Last year, the games against Tennessee and Miami had no playoff implications, so the whole argument is different.

[Gastineau Lives]

Not me, especially when it is a divison rival like Miami. I sat there watched the game and thought to myself" they will probably lose and we should get the 3 rd pick". Whistle blows and Im like "**** you Miami' way to go Geno to Deker". I'm not thinking about the draft as I'm sure the players and coaches weren't either.

Yeah, I once blew my money on hookers and blow instead of going to college. Felt awesome.

[jamesr]

Well, since we have so little chance of winning the Superbowl this year, I guess we should just tank all 16 games and secure that top draft pick for next year ...

[Larz]

if you don't do everything 1,000,000% in your power to win every game your NFL career is over permanently and forever

 

imagine sucking on purpose just to land jamarcus russell ?  he had the best pro day ever according to some scouts

 

 

tuna had the #1 pick and traded down....twice.....because he needed more talent rather than 1 shiny prospect

 

get over it dude

[dbatesman]

plus winning those games taught our current players how to win, so in a way were better off than if we had got a higher pick, think about it

[Larz]

Do you think the Colt fans give a rats ass now about tanking to get Luck?

 

why is polian on TV now, instead of running an NFL team ?  oh yeah, he had no back up QB in place.   

 

 

 

2011: Manning injury[edit]

Main article: 2011 Indianapolis Colts season

Indianapolis went into the 2011 season with many questions not only about Peyton Manning's health but also his contract status. Manning signed an extension before the beginning of the season, but his availability for the season was in question due to surgery. The league was faced with a lockout from March to July that prevented Manning from using team training facilities to help recover, and as the preseason began he was left on the Physically Unable to Perform list. Originally ruled out for the season opener in Houston, Manning was eventually sidelined for the entire season due to multiple surgeries on his neck.^[65] Veteran quarterbackKerry Collins was signed to the team early in the year due to the dissatisfaction with backup quarterbacks Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky.^[66]

For the first time since 1997, the Colts were not commanded by Peyton Manning and instead were led by Collins in a 34–7 loss against the Texans. The season continued to spiral without Manning and the team was quickly 0–3 and was forced to start Curtis Painter following an injury to Kerry Collins. The Colts continued to look abysmal under Painter with the team going 0–11, including a 62–7 loss to the Saints, before Dan Orlovsky was put in to replace Painter at New England. Orlovsky led an effort to beat the Patriots, but the Colts fell to them 31–24, to go 0–12 on the season. Indianapolis would win only two games of the season, at home against the Titans and the Texans, and would finish off the season with a 2–14 record, the second–worst record in the Indianapolis era. The record ensured the Colts the number one overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft and began to stir up controversy over Peyton Manning's continued presence within the organization.

The Peyton Manning era came to a sudden end on March 8, 2012 when Jim Irsay announced that Manning was officially being released from the roster after thirteen seasons.^[67] Although Manning's medical condition and throwing strength continued to improve, Irsay stated that the Colts were embarking on "an ambitious rebuilding project" and that due to Manning's age, 36, it was unlikely that he could win another Super Bowl before the rebuilding project was finished. In addition, the Colts would have owed him an additional $20 million if he'd stayed on the roster another week.

 

 

the colts were 0-12 and finished 2-14

 

do the math !!!!!!

 

suck for luck, lolololol

[Integrity28]

For all those pundits who say the players suit up and "Play to Win the Game" as a season draws to a close and ensures a losing record, you cost us HOPE. We all agree that each player should be mentally and physically prepared to play, even for one down. But, the win vs TEN ( wk 14 ) and that last game of the season win vs MIA cost us Mariota. The decision of Rex's fate had already been made and so so too the evaluation of his staff. I am not advocating TANKING a game like "SUCK FOR LUCK" but, those 2 meaningless games were very COSTLY. What I am saying is:

1. Rather than play a starter who is injured and risking further and more serious injury, Sit Him and play his backup. Then, I tell that player "Show me What You Got" and see how he performs. You are playing for our Team's or your next Team's evaluation.

2. I carefully consider my play selection at certain points on 3rd down or Red Zone opportunities. I am not purposely giving up a turnover, but, select a play with a lesser chance of success vs the opponent's matchup would go unnoticed by many.

3. Timeout selection or player substation when he is winded gives our opposing teams a greater opportunity for success, so I choose wisely.

Again, I am not saying we approach it like a last pre season game, but, I would carefully consider every decision regarding these late season games carefully. As long as the players on the field played their hearts out and we were entertained , those in attendance wouldn't even notice.

I hope the bounty of 3 or even 2 1st rd picks to move up when we need them next year discourages them from pulling the trigger. Listening to Maccagnan's press conference yesterday left me with an opinion that he is a bright man who carefully selects his words and has a plan. But, I still remember watching those games we won and saying to my son "That cost a Good Player in the Draft".

 

Honestly, the earlier picks don't necessarily guarantee anything. 

 

To me, the value this year is going to be the ransom a few teams are willing to pay to move up. Not necessarily the opportunity to have had any one guy.

 

I get the sentiment though, and to me the frustration with the meaningless wins was more about Rex throwing accelerant on the dumpster fire he created here. To not be picking in the top 3 after a dogsh*t season like that is endemic of Rex's legacy.

[Integrity28]

As far as integrity goes, two years ago Miami had a chance to go to the playoffs with a win. In that case, the Jets definitely had an obligation to try to win. Last year, the games against Tennessee and Miami had no playoff implications, so the whole argument is different.

 

Miami quite clearly laid down. Geno had a perfect game for crying out loud.

 

Tennessee wanted a top 3 pick, clearly.

 

Rex wanted to isolate moral victories and talk to the media.

[DaBallhawk]

Oh, Stop It !!!! One play when the season is over doesn't make you a FAN. Watching them and trying to look for hope throughout the past decades of mediocrity or poor seasons kind of does. Listening to fans from other teams mock us hurts, but, often is well deserved. All I am saying is when we make our pick, "Who could we have drafted if we didn't WIN that game. Instead of that pick going to somebody else.

 

Stop saying stupid sh*t for once. Please.

[Ken Schroy]

Terrible Idea. If the NFL sniffs that this is even a possibility than they will go the way of the NBA and you will see the 5 worst record teams selecting bingo balls. I wouldn't like that. To me the worst record deserves to pick 1st and so on.

[prime21]

Terrible Idea. If the NFL sniffs that this is even a possibility than they will go the way of the NBA and you will see the 5 worst record teams selecting bingo balls. I wouldn't like that. To me the worst record deserves to pick 1st and so on.

This.

[prime21]

Yeah, I once blew my money on hookers and blow instead of going to college. Felt awesome.

I lterally LOL'd

[ChuckkieB]

As far as integrity goes, two years ago Miami had a chance to go to the playoffs with a win. In that case, the Jets definitely had an obligation to try to win. Last year, the games against Tennessee and Miami had no playoff implications, so the whole argument is different.

 

Professional athletes and coaches don't tank games, regardless of the circumstances. 

[AFJF]

One day we'll get a real HC/GM in here who will do what's best for the team and tank every season to get the number one pick every year!

[papz187]

People talk about the Colts tanking for Luck, but do you think Jim Caldwell and Curtis Painter intentionally lost those games so the Colts could FIRE them and replace Painter with Luck? Lol really, it's a stupid thought....what would the guys tanking have to gain since they'll be replaced if they don't win?

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[BrickTamland]

A win, once you get to the area of 2-11 or some such crap, is little more than a moral victory when looked at in the context of the full season. When i have got some little kids whose confidence i am worried about, i will be cheering for those late wins in their little league. When 21+ year olds who are getting paid are 2-11, I am not going to be happy for them when they get to 3-11 Even in the unlikely situation that they reach 5-11, is was still a very bad season.

Once we got to such a desperate place last year, it clearly became our best interest as a team to play our youngsters, to see what worth they had. However, this conflicted with Rex's motivation. Even if Rex knew he'd be fired at the end of the season, he would want to finish strong to best help himself in looking for a new job. So he acted in his best interests in playing to win those last games.

Rex should have been fired by that point. And the new interim Hc should have been given the directive that he should be figuring out who will stay and who will go in the next season. So play the young ones.

For example, dozier should have gotten some playing time. Maybe dalton freeman could have tried time at guard too. Enunwa could have been tested. Same for IK, he should have got more snaps. Reilly too.

Then maybe, we are sitting here today, less than a week before the draft, and we would already know for sure that we do/dont need to build up at a certain position.

Dont hate on someone's position just because they were able to move on past the season faster than you. There are more implications than just draft position too. You try out your youngsters, you learn more about what u need for FA and the draft. You are also giving a try-out to ur a potential new head coach (interim guy). And you are giving a chanc to players that are on the bubble to make something of themselves.

[Jet9]

Professional athletes and coaches don't tank games, regardless of the circumstances.

Thank you. This isn't Madden. These guys have thier lives and families to worry about. The Quitter label is a tough one to shake.

[Ken Schroy]

One day we'll get a real HC/GM in here who will do what's best for the team and tank every season to get the number one pick every year!

LOL. Can't wait.

[rillo]

Mariota is a bust waiting to happen IMO. Glad we don't have a chance, hopefully.

[Long Island Leprechaun]

Oh, Stop It !!!! One play when the season is over doesn't make you a FAN. Watching them and trying to look for hope throughout the past decades of mediocrity or poor seasons kind of does. Listening to fans from other teams mock us hurts, but, often is well deserved. All I am saying is when we make our pick, "Who could we have drafted if we didn't WIN that game. Instead of that pick going to somebody else.

Well, if we lost all our games, then we would be KINGS of the draft. Your whole argument is based on your conviction that Mariota will be a franchise QB. That's highly debatable, obviously. Secondly, why if this is true have some of the best drafting teams of the past 20 years been usually around 20-30 in the first round? Teams like the Steelers have traditionally drafted extremely well for one interesting reason: they draft very well late in the draft. Truth is, if a team drafts well, their location in the first round is moot -- the only exception to that is when the rare generational QB appears and goes #1, such as Luck or P. Manning.