Morrissey Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Voting Results To the top Ballots Cast: 440 Needed for Election: 330 Votes Percentage 437 Ken Griffey Jr. 99.3% 365 Mike Piazza 83.0% 315 Jeff Bagwell 71.6% 307 Tim Raines 69.8% 296 Trevor Hoffman 67.3% 230 Curt Schilling 52.3% 199 Roger Clemens 45.2% 195 Barry Bonds 44.3% 191 Edgar Martinez 43.4% 189 Mike Mussina 43.0% 180 Alan Trammell 40.9% 150 Lee Smith 34.1% 92 Fred McGriff 20.9% 73 Jeff Kent 16.6% 68 Larry Walker 15.5% 54 Mark McGwire 12.3% 51 Gary Sheffield 11.6% 46 Billy Wagner 10.5% 31 Sammy Sosa 7.0% 11 Jim Edmonds 2.5% 8 Nomar Garciaparra 1.8% 3 Mike Sweeney 0.7% 2 David Eckstein 0.5% 2 Jason Kendall 0.5% 1 Garret Anderson 0.2% 0 Brad Ausmus 0.0% 0 Luis Castillo 0.0% 0 Troy Glaus 0.0% 0 Mark Grudzielanek 0.0% 0 Mike Hampton 0.0% 0 Mike Lowell 0.0% 0 Randy Winn 0.0% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 6, 2016 Author Share Posted January 6, 2016 Off the ballot: (Last year of eligibility)Alan Trammell (Less than 5%)Jim EdmondsNomar GarciaparraMike SweeneyDavid EcksteinJason KendallGarret AndersonBrad AusmusLuis CastilloTroy GlausMark GrudzielanekMike HamptonMike LowellRandy Winn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Joining the ballot next year: Ivan RodriguezManny RamirezVladimir GuerreroJavier VazquezMike CameronJ.D. DrewJorge PosadaMagglio OrdonezDerrek LeeTim WakefieldEdgar RenteriaCarlos GuillenJason VaritekOrlando CabreraAaron RowandPat BurrellFreddy SanchezArthur RhodesJulio LugoDanys Baez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 So does this mean the PED barrier has been broken? It is about time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 So roiders are getting into the hall of fame now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 So roiders are getting into the hall of fame now Good news for your Yankees I guess, if we are going to baselessly point fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Bagwell should get it imo. Probably next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 So does this mean the PED barrier has been broken? It is about time. No, many isn't getting in next year. By the way, I think the PED users should still get in. Bonds, Clemens, Manny, etc... but I don't think they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 No, many isn't getting in next year. By the way, I think the PED users should still get in. Bonds, Clemens, Manny, etc... but I don't think they will. As do I. No way Manny gets in with multiple failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 As do I. No way Manny gets in with multiple failures. I hate the Sox and despise the 2004 team but they don't break the curse w/o Manny(and schilling who should also be a HOfer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Joining the ballot next year: Ivan RodriguezManny RamirezVladimir GuerreroJavier VazquezMike CameronJ.D. DrewJorge PosadaMagglio OrdonezDerrek LeeTim WakefieldEdgar RenteriaCarlos GuillenJason VaritekOrlando CabreraAaron RowandPat BurrellFreddy SanchezArthur RhodesJulio LugoDanys Baez Vlad, Pudge, and Manny are the only 3 of those I'd put in. In that order. Manny will be tough. Busted multiple times for PED, would obviously not try at times, "Manny being Manny". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 Hall of Fame isn't in his cards, but the Yankees should put Arthur Rhodes in Monument Park. vs. Yankees (in 86 innings: 7.43 ERA, 1.767 WHIP, 103 hits, 17 home runs) It was Arthur Rhodes who David Justice hit that huge game winning 3 run home run against the Mariners in the 2000 ALCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted January 7, 2016 Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 I love Arthur Rhodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Hall of Fame isn't in his cards, but the Yankees should put Arthur Rhodes in Monument Park. vs. Yankees (in 86 innings: 7.43 ERA, 1.767 WHIP, 103 hits, 17 home runs) It was Arthur Rhodes who David Justice hit that huge game winning 3 run home run against the Mariners in the 2000 ALCS. Byung Hyung Kim should get the statue next to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 No, many isn't getting in next year. By the way, I think the PED users should still get in. Bonds, Clemens, Manny, etc... but I don't think they will. They're getting in now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 They're getting in now Piazza was all rumor, he never failed a test or had any actual evidence unlike the other guys that haven't gotten in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Byung Hyung Kim should get the statue next to him. That was the greatest 2 days of pitching I had ever seen. And thanks to the manager (Brenly?) who just kept sending him out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adb280z Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 So does this mean the PED barrier has been broken? It is about time. When someone who actually has been proven to use PEDs has gotten in, you can say that. The Yankees PED barrier has been broken with Pettitte's number retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 When someone who actually has been proven to use PEDs has gotten in, you can say that. The Yankees PED barrier has been broken with Pettitte's number retirement. MLB purged the HoF voting ballots by about 100 writers,mostly of older guys. And while no one is saying it it in so many words, Rob Manfred probably thinks a bunch of old mIke Lupica, Bill Madden and Murray Chass types whining about the evils of cheating and PEDs in 2015 does not help sell his very slow sport to a younger audience. Baseball has an aging fan base, and that's becoming more of a problem.Lucky for MLB, it has a monopoly on sports programming all summer. Once the NFL ramps up in August and then the NCAA in September, MLB is in the back seat (at a loss why MLB doesn't shorten the season to avoid that to some degree, but apparently also rans in empty stadiums still makes them TV money). Spending oodles of bandwidth on PEDs is bad for business. Manny Ramirez, Barry Bonds, and Mark McGwire all have jobs as coaches. Alex Rodriguez was arguably Fox's best and most popular pre and postgame guy. Someday A-Rod, Bonds Big Papi and Clemens are getting in. As an aside, can't wait to hear the Boston "PEDs are evil!" contingent take all that back to vote Ortiz in. And unless baseball does something to appeal to younger fans, there's a good chance it will fall behind not only both levels of football like it does right now, but also the NBA, and may be even soccer and the NHL. For better or worse, these guys are part of MLB's story. To keep them out would be a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Off the ballot: (Last year of eligibility)Alan Trammell (Less than 5%)Jim EdmondsNomar GarciaparraMike SweeneyDavid EcksteinJason KendallGarret AndersonBrad AusmusLuis CastilloTroy GlausMark GrudzielanekMike HamptonMike LowellRandy Winn NOMAH'S BETTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Byung Hyung Kim should get the statue next to him. Your football knowledge may be average but it is much better than your baseball knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 When someone who actually has been proven to use PEDs has gotten in, you can say that. The Yankees PED barrier has been broken with Pettitte's number retirement. Yeah, that is fair enough. The moral gatekeepers that are the voters barometer has shifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 NOMAH'S BETTER. There were a number of years that Nomar was superior to Derek individually. Jeter just did it longer and on much better teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 So roiders are getting into the hall of fame now Piazza was aided by the use of Vaseline. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 There were a number of years that Nomar was superior to Derek individually. Jeter just did it longer and on much better teams. and then the steroids backfired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 When someone who actually has been proven to use PEDs has gotten in, you can say that. The Yankees PED barrier has been broken with Pettitte's number retirement. it's hard to get evidence when baseball purposely avoided testing its own players for 15 years while two-thirds of the league was using something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adb280z Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 it's hard to get evidence when baseball purposely avoided testing its own players for 15 years while two-thirds of the league was using something That's true, just remember the Yankees had proof and didn't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 10, 2016 Share Posted January 10, 2016 The HOF is a bad joke. BOooooooooooooo the HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 There were a number of years that Nomar was superior to Derek individually. Jeter just did it longer and on much better teams. Nomar had 6 really good seasons. He has about half as many hits as Jeter. He was on his way until injuries got him. It also says something when his own GM traded him away to help finally get a WS win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 and then the steroids backfired As NY Times discovered looking into ManninHGH's story, old Jeter might have dabbled in the HGH pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Every player from 1990 to today is suspect. As a Mets fan, I would bet Piazza did it, but I also think Jeter did it. Look at how when the big contracts started coming out his HR total shot up, then after he signed, his HR total shot way down. I think that between 2000 and say 2010, more than 75% of the players were doing SOMETHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Every player from 1990 to today is suspect. As a Mets fan, I would bet Piazza did it, but I also think Jeter did it. Look at how when the big contracts started coming out his HR total shot up, then after he signed, his HR total shot way down. I think that between 2000 and say 2010, more than 75% of the players were doing SOMETHING. Yep. The key for players getting away with it was stopping before the sh*t hit the fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 and then the steroids backfired http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/sports/baseball/al-jazeera-peyton-manning-derek-jeter-charles-sly.html?_r=0 ... With the help of my New York Times colleagues Ken Belson and Doris Burke, I scrutinized the list of names, and it soon appeared less random than at first blush. Nearly all of the athletes Sly named are clients of Jason Riley, a fitness trainer based in Sarasota, Fla. Here is where Sly’s story becomes more intriguing. Sly is a business partner of Riley’s. When Sly applied for a pharmacist’s license in Florida, he used Riley’s home address. Riley and Sly founded Elementz Nutrition, a nutritional supplement company whose website and Facebook page feature many of the athletes Sly mentioned on camera. Zimmerman was featured on the website; Howard, Neal and Keller (who is also featured on the website) appeared on the Facebook page. In one photograph on Facebook, Riley poses at his gym, the Compound, between the mountainous Howard and the no less imposing Neal. Not every athlete cited by Sly in the Al Jazeera report is connected to Elementz, and not all of Elementz’s big-time clients were mentioned by Sly. Elementz proclaims all-natural bona fides. According to its website, it specializes in “vitamins, minerals, proteins and enzymes” that are “essential for our bodies to perform.” In other words, chia seeds, flax, whey and all that. Riley’s work as a trainer is so celebrated that he was called “baseball’s M.V.P. of the post-steroids era” by Men’s Fitness magazine. His most famous client, the man whose career he was credited with reshaping and saving from mortality’s shadow, was Derek Jeter. In 2010, a few years into Riley’s makeover, The Daily News proclaimed: “Derek is turning back the clock at short.” ESPN declared that Riley had “dumped the Captain into a hot tub time machine” and turned him into a 25-year-old. Significant caveats are in order here: No evidence has emerged linking Jeter to performance-enhancing drugs, and Sly did not connect him to banned substances, although he boasted of helping other athletes obtain them. And a connection to Sly, Riley or anyone else is hardly proof of any wrongdoing. Sly and Riley did not respond to several interview requests. An email sent to Elementz’s angel investor, Janis Krums, went unanswered. Jeter’s agent, Casey Close, did not respond. Mum’s the word on the west coast of Florida. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 As NY Times discovered looking into ManninHGH's story, old Jeter might have dabbled in the HGH pool. The only Yankee that would surprise me is Mo. Anyone that competitive, that driven, I could see it. Shoot, I LOVED Bernie Williams. Look at how big that dude was. It's not just the Yanks, hell Tony Gwyn had his best years after turning 32, and had his career year at 37. That seems natural for a fat guy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 The only Yankee that would surprise me is Mo. Anyone that competitive, that driven, I could see it. Shoot, I LOVED Bernie Williams. Look at how big that dude was. It's not just the Yanks, hell Tony Gwyn had his best years after turning 32, and had his career year at 37. That seems natural for a fat guy..... Probably the only other player I can think of that would deserve a 100% vote for the hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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