JohnnyLV Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 We will NEVER EVER agree. I think he is a complete JAG, one of the more overrated players in the NFL and a boat anchor to the Jets future. Many think he is the perfect bridge QB, super smart, and a "leader". No argument either side makes will move either opinion (and they are just that -opinions) an iota. Why don't we just talk about the other exciting aspects if the offseason and just stop already. It is SOOO old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 lets talk about your dog. what kind of dog is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfan39 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 so you start another geno-fritz thread that you want to stop talking about geno-fritz lol lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Nothing generates discussion like a QB competition. Unlike most posters who have a definite opinion on who should start, I am torn as to what the correct course of action is. I appreciate Fitzpatrick for his performance last season but am not convinced he can do it again. I also am intrigued with the physical attributes of Geno am but concerned about his decision making in games. My biggest concern is giving up on Geno too early, he never should have started in 2013, but due to a perplexing decision by Rex in the Giants pre-season game in 2013, Geno was forced to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Look I was much happier on this issue before the leak. I thought maybe there were smart reasons behind this long delay in signing our starting Qb that made sense. Like not having the cap space and waiting until they opened some up. Both sides were cool and calm like they knew things would work out. But now I'm starting to witness stupid moves again coming from our FO. And a dumb way of trying to negotiate a contract. And incompetency back in the forefront once again. Like maybe it never left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 I dont generally like cutups of either highlights or mistakes, but jesus christ this is only over 2 years: Just non competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 It's not necessarily Fitz v Geno. It's Fitz v Geno, Petty, Hackenberg. If you leave Fitz on the street, you give Geno eight starts with Gailey coaching him. If he sucks, give Petty the next crack. If Petty is embarrassing, you give Hackenberg a few games at the end of the year. What's more likely: that Fitz has some untapped well of talent that he hasn't shown in 11 years or that Geno, Petty, and Hackenberg are just outright horrible talents who can't be coached? Either way, you're not winning the Super Bowl in 2016. May as well save some coin and hope one of your kid QBs steps up. The outright worst case scenario is that they yield to Fitz, he goes out and sucks, and then you're paying him $20 mil over the following two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 macc isn't twisting himself in the wind in front of the entire league if geno is even remotely close to fitz in the jets eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 22 minutes ago, Matt39 said: I dont generally like cutups of either highlights or mistakes, but jesus christ this is only over 2 years: Just non competitive. 42 in 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 22 minutes ago, Matt39 said: I dont generally like cutups of either highlights or mistakes, but jesus christ this is only over 2 years: Just non competitive. there are a lot of defensive scores in that video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 7 minutes ago, ylekram said: there are a lot of defensive scores in that video and fumbles in the red area...on both ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 johnnysd, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 15 minutes ago, AFJF said: 42 in 2 seasons. In Fitzpatricks prime years in buffalo (2011/2012) Fitz had 51 turnovers in 2 years. If you add in 2010 he had a total of 74 turnovers in 3 years. He was a 5th, 6th and 7th year veteran during that time, not a rookie and 2nd year player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Just now, Villain The Foe said: In Fitzpatricks prime years in buffalo (2011/2012) Fitz had 51 turnovers in 2 years. If you add in 2010 he had a total of 74 turnovers in 3 years. He was a 5th, 6th and 7th year veteran during that time, not a rookie and 2nd year player. I know...remember back when defenses were allowed to play defense. Crazy times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 1 minute ago, AFJF said: I know...remember back when defenses were allowed to play defense. Crazy times. Oh, thats what it was. My bad. Then Geno stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Just now, Villain The Foe said: Oh, thats what it was. My bad. Then Geno stinks. I don't know...he might. Fitz starts this year, Geno next year. We can re-visit this debate at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 2 minutes ago, AFJF said: I don't know...he might. Fitz starts this year, Geno next year. We can re-visit this debate at that time. It depends. We can only revisit this debate once defenses are once again allowed to play defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Just now, Villain The Foe said: It depends. We can only revisit this debate once defenses are once again allowed to play defense. Nope. They're not allowed to do it this year and won't be allowed to do it next year. Based on the contract offer to Fitz, clearly they only want him to start this year. So we get Fitz this year, Geno next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 First of all, the QBs must be viewed in the context of the system. In the Chan Gailey system, there is absolutely no question Fitz is more effective than Geno and gives us a better chance to win. Anyone arguing otherwise is a complete idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 1 hour ago, ylekram said: lets talk about your dog. what kind of dog is that? She is Chloe, a resue Australian Shepherd from the Latrina Hurricane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: I dont generally like cutups of either highlights or mistakes, but jesus christ this is only over 2 years: Just non competitive. LOL WOW, almost 9 and a half minutes of nothing but Picks, picks 6's, and fumbles for TD's. I don't care if they pay Fitz $60,000,000,000,000,000, a year, I can't do another year of that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, AFJF said: 42 in 2 seasons. Or 8 in less than a quarter of a season for Fitz. It's funny how these stats keep popping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Imagine Hackenberg starting all 16 games this year and then we decide to use this year's performance as the benchmark for his entire career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainejet Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 hours ago, johnnysd said: We will NEVER EVER agree. I think he is a complete JAG, one of the more overrated players in the NFL and a boat anchor to the Jets future. Many think he is the perfect bridge QB, super smart, and a "leader". No argument either side makes will move either opinion (and they are just that -opinions) an iota. Why don't we just talk about the other exciting aspects if the offseason and just stop already. It is SOOO old. So what's so final about this thread, then? You have your opinion (stating it) and you suggest other areas for banter. That's it. That's NOT suggesting any final argument in regards to Fitz? I say your opinion is WRONG and you certainly do not have what is best for the NYJ as an organization in mind. Starting Fitz is the Jets bet chance at winning in 2016 and that is what is best for the NYJ. BTW, I must say I love that dog. I had a Black Lab that I lost last summer, but that avatar of yours makes me think about getting another...:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, jetscrazey said: First of all, the QBs must be viewed in the context of the system. In the Chan Gailey system, there is absolutely no question Fitz is more effective than Geno and gives us a better chance to win. Anyone arguing otherwise is a complete idiot. If QB's must be viewed in the context of the system then how is it that you're speaking on Geno Smith when you never seen him in the system? Or was that an idiot question? lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 LOL WOW, almost 9 and a half minutes of nothing but Picks, picks 6's, and fumbles for TD's. I don't care if they pay Fitz $60,000,000,000,000,000, a year, I can't do another year of that . The Benny Hill music was awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 hours ago, Matt39 said: I dont generally like cutups of either highlights or mistakes, but jesus christ this is only over 2 years: Just non competitive. And that ladies and gentlemen, is why the Pats trolls want to see Geno Smith as the starting QB of the Jets, keep that in mind while you pos rep your the Sh!t out of the pats trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, flgreen said: LOL WOW, almost 9 and a half minutes of nothing but Picks, picks 6's, and fumbles for TD's. I don't care if they pay Fitz $60,000,000,000,000,000, a year, I can't do another year of that . Yeah, 9.28 mins in slow-motion so you can see numerous blown protections and hits while throwing. You know ... things you notice when it's Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfmckenna Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Fitz just forwarded that video to Macc and they raised the offer another $5 million. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 19 minutes ago, jetrider said: Yeah, 9.28 mins in slow-motion so you can see numerous blown protections and hits while throwing. You know ... things you notice when it's Fitz. Yeah like Fitz didn't play with Breno Winters, Cumberland, and Ivory all year. He just gets the ball out quicker. Come on man 3 picks in 8 attempts. 5 straight games with no TDs. 2 years running as the reigning worst QB in the NFL as voted by players and coaches. Fitz finished the year 5-1. Bowels has said all along that Fitz is the starter when he signs, and still believes that he will. This dream you have is just not reality based. Sorry man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 minute ago, NYs Stepchild said: Yeah like Fitz didn't play with Breno and Winters all year. He just gets the ball out quicker. Come on man 3 picks in 8 attempts. 5 straight games with no TDs. 2 years running as the reigning worst QB in the NFL as voted by players and coaches. Fitz finished the year 5-1. Bowels has said all along that Fitz is the starter when he signs, and still believes that he will. This dream you have is just not reality based. Sorry man. Not reality is comparing a rookie/sophomore to an 11-year vet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NYs Stepchild Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 45 minutes ago, jetrider said: Not reality is comparing a rookie/sophomore to an 11-year vet. You're right It's not fair to compare the two of them. We finally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 4 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: If QB's must be viewed in the context of the system then how is it that you're speaking on Geno Smith when you never seen him in the system? Or was that an idiot question? lol. I saw enough in a preseason game and Oakland. Also, please impart upon us your wisdom. It seems you know something the entire Jets front office doesn't know about Geno Smith. Otherwise they wouldn't get pursuing Fitzpatrick idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 6 hours ago, AFJF said: 42 in 2 seasons. Brutal, painful, futile., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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