jetscanes331 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 "Adams played 75 snaps, but only 19 came at safety, which led to some of his struggles against the run as he had to face Buffalo’s offensive linemen in the box." - PFF Didn't see this discussed yet. Is it because the lack of talent at LB or just game plan? I don't see why you'd draft a safety talent like Adams to not play him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, jetscanes331 said: "Adams played 75 snaps, but only 19 came at safety, which led to some of his struggles against the run as he had to face Buffalo’s offensive linemen in the box." - PFF Didn't see this discussed yet. Is it because the lack of talent at LB or just game plan? I don't see why you'd draft a safety talent like Adams to not play him there. Bowles is a dimwit. I've officially turned my rifle on him. WHY THE **** ARE YOU DOING THIS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 When he was in coverage he did a good job. He struggled against the run but this would be a good reasoning for that. I don't understand why he wouldn't be playing primarily at safety yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgivs21 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 "I don't see why you'd draft a (name position) talent like (players name) to not play him there" The Jets seem to have made a habit of this lately.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 minute ago, jetscanes331 said: "Adams played 75 snaps, but only 19 came at safety, which led to some of his struggles against the run as he had to face Buffalo’s offensive linemen in the box." - PFF Didn't see this discussed yet. Is it because the lack of talent at LB or just game plan? I don't see why you'd draft a safety talent like Adams to not play him there. Here's the thing... I don't mind trying to move players around and put them in different spots to see how they react... I'm all for seeing how far their versatility stretches, especially early in the season. But, unfortunately, TB has a history of letting these experiments go on pretty much all season. He did it with our Dlinemen last year, constantly setting them up out of position. He put CBs that had no business guarding the slot in the slot. It didn't work, but he kept trying. So... This is worrisome. It's one thing to try something out, or to switch up a game-plan a little to catch a team off-guard... It's another to be stubborn and predictable, even when something isn't working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, bgivs21 said: "I don't see why you'd draft a (name position) talent like (players name) to not play him there" The Jets seem to have made a habit of this lately.. Darron Lee is another example. Pass Rusher in college? Let's play him at MLB. He's an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, jetscanes331 said: "Adams played 75 snaps, but only 19 came at safety, which led to some of his struggles against the run as he had to face Buffalo’s offensive linemen in the box." - PFF Didn't see this discussed yet. Is it because the lack of talent at LB or just game plan? I don't see why you'd draft a safety talent like Adams to not play him there. I need more information .Was someone else playing his S position, or was he in the box in a 46 look and from some reason PFF says he is not a S when in the box? Don't we really need to know the personnel group and alignment to evaluate this? And, he was drafted because he could play in the box and deep. Witht he way the Bills were gashing the Jets, I'd expect him to be in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Darron Lee is another example. Pass Rusher in college? Let's play him at MLB. He's an idiot I mean, Lee was never a regular pass rusher in college. He was a 4-3 OLB... Versatility was his greatest strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, UntouchableCrew said: I mean, Lee was never a regular pass rusher in college. He was a 4-3 OLB... Versatility was his greatest strength. His greatest asset is his speed. He sucks in coverage. Use him as a pass rusher. He could get by several of them with good spin technique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 minute ago, UntouchableCrew said: I mean, Lee was never a regular pass rusher in college. He was a 4-3 OLB... Versatility was his greatest strength. Lee replaced Ryan Shazier at OSU and the Jets apparently thought he could be just like Shazier (an ILB) in the pros. It's looking like they were wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Didn't they say the Bills were the #1 rushing team last year? Guess there was no reason to play too much CF especially when our LB's are very bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: His greatest asset is his speed. He sucks in coverage. Use him as a pass rusher. He could get by several of them with good spin technique I mean, he's just not big enough to be an edge rusher in this scheme. He was never going to play that when they drafted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Sonny Werblin said: Lee replaced Ryan Shazier at OSU and the Jets apparently thought he could be just like Shazier (an ILB) in the pros. It's looking like they were wrong Right. I don't disagree with any of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 I don't see why you'd draft Sheldon Richardson, play him at LBer, then trade him for peanuts and call it a coup either, but hey, what do I know? I'm just a monkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: His greatest asset is his speed. He sucks in coverage. Use him as a pass rusher. He could get by several of them with good spin technique lol, what are you ******* talking about ... something else you read on twitter? it takes more than speed to be a pass rusher in a 34 defense. good grief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 impact plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 15 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Darron Lee is another example. Pass Rusher in college? Let's play him at MLB. He's an idiot He wasn't a pass rusher in college. He blitzed, but was never a pass rusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: impact plays For his first game, to have a tackle for a loss, a forced fumble and a tipped pass. Damn right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Integrity28 said: I don't see why you'd draft Sheldon Richardson, play him at LBer, then trade him for peanuts and call it a coup either, but hey, what do I know? I'm just a monkey. So, they should have done what with Sheldon? Give him a big contract when he has 2 strikes? Don't you think if some team, any team, was willing to give up more for Sheldon, they would have offered it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, Sonny Werblin said: So, they should have done what with Sheldon? Give him a big contract when he has 2 strikes? Don't you think if some team, any team, was willing to give up more for Sheldon, they would have offered it? When did a second round pick become peanuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: lol, what are you ******* talking about ... something else you read on twitter? it takes more than speed to be a pass rusher in a 34 defense. good grief Just ask Aaron Maybin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, Sonny Werblin said: So, they should have done what with Sheldon? Give him a big contract when he has 2 strikes? Don't you think if some team, any team, was willing to give up more for Sheldon, they would have offered it? 2 strikes, oh noes guys need to stop fear mongering about "2 strikes", any half-brained negotiator puts language in the contract that protects the team from that sh*t... there's no reason to give the guy away for peanuts, but because Bowles played him out of position for 2 years, he killed his value... it's got nothing to do with what teams were offering, it's got everything to do with how the Jets forfeited their bargaining position and hurt his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: When did a second round pick become peanuts? when it became the property of the ny jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: When did a second round pick become peanuts? You have to figure it to be a very late 2nd round pick, and we don't get it until the following season. It's the trade value of a bottom-pick in the 3rd round this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: For his first game, to have a tackle for a loss, a forced fumble and a tipped pass. Damn right He didn't force a fumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfan39 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 20 minutes ago, DMan77 said: Here's the thing... I don't mind trying to move players around and put them in different spots to see how they react... I'm all for seeing how far their versatility stretches, especially early in the season. But, unfortunately, TB has a history of letting these experiments go on pretty much all season. He did it with our Dlinemen last year, constantly setting them up out of position. He put CBs that had no business guarding the slot in the slot. It didn't work, but he kept trying. So... This is worrisome. It's one thing to try something out, or to switch up a game-plan a little to catch a team off-guard... It's another to be stubborn and predictable, even when something isn't working. isn't this what TC & PS are for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, Integrity28 said: 2 strikes, oh noes guys need to stop fear mongering about "2 strikes", any half-brained negotiator puts language in the contract that protects the team from that sh*t... there's no reason to give the guy away for peanuts, but because Bowles played him out of position for 2 years, he killed his value... it's got nothing to do with what teams were offering, it's got everything to do with how the Jets forfeited their bargaining position and hurt his value. They got a second round pick and a player. Not sure what you think they could have gotten in a trade, but I'm listening..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, Sperm Edwards said: You have to figure it to be a very late 2nd round pick, and we don't get it until the following season. It's the trade value of a bottom-pick in the 3rd round this season. I figured it would be a late second round pick but I was surprised they got anything for him at all. He's essentially a rental who's one major incident away from a suspension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: He didn't force a fumble. Connor HughesVerified account @Connor_J_Hughes 23h23 hours ago More Jamal Adams punched the ball out for the first forced fumble of his career. #Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Adams had a solid game. There are surely more important things to be upset about than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Sonny Werblin said: They got a second round pick and a player. Not sure what you think they could have gotten in a trade, but I'm listening..... When you "hit" on a rare DL talent in the 1st round, you trade him for 1st rounders. When you "hit" on a rare DL talent in the 1st round, then play him at LBer and make him look like a spare part, you trade him for a future 2nd (not as valuable as a true 2nd) and a JAG WR. The argument I'm making is that the Jets got the value they could, because they didn't manage his value properly. I'm not saying some magical team was going to offer more, and they just didn't get it. That would be stupid. I'm saying they almost never "hit" on draft picks, then when they do, they don't keep them... and fail miserably to grow the investment into more. Instead, they get less and tell the fans it was an win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Connor HughesVerified account @Connor_J_Hughes 23h23 hours ago More Jamal Adams punched the ball out for the first forced fumble of his career. #Jets The play was overuled to be an incomplete pass. Nevertheless Adams closed from across the field to breakup that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 He's going to be all over the field and featured in a bunch of different roles. That's why he is the new face of the Jets. He is going to do it all and do it all really well for us. Nice first game for him - it only gets better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 13 minutes ago, dbatesman said: impact plays moneybacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Just now, Integrity28 said: When you "hit" on a rare DL talent in the 1st round, you trade him for 1st rounders. When you "hit" on a rare DL talent in the 1st round, then play him at LBer and make him look like a spare part, you trade him for a future 2nd (not as valuable as a true 2nd) and a JAG WR. The argument I'm making is that the Jets got the value they could, because they didn't manage his value properly. I'm not saying some magical team was going to offer more, and they just didn't get it. That would be stupid. I'm saying they almost never "hit" on draft picks, then when they do, they don't keep them... and fail miserably to grow the investment into more. Instead, they get less and tell the fans it was an win. When your 1st rounders have a habit of running their mouths and a propensity for weed ( which is still banned in the NFL) you take what you can can get for them. Sheldon was a failed test away from being a Randy Gregory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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