T0mShane Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 @ConorTOrr: Per @BrianCoz, Giants director of scouting Marc Ross has pulled his name from consideration from #jets GM search. LOL It's as if all these GMs aren't aware of how super desirable the Jets job is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 You're all alarmist and stupid, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Also, Marc Ross probably wanted no part of taking a job in a major metropolitan area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Literally the only surprising thing about this is that it didn't happen two weeks ago. True. Spin time: I'm happy they didn't run to Big Brother Giants to bail us out. Also, Marc Ross probably wanted no part of taking a job in a major metropolitan area. Woody wouldn't let him fire Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Also, Marc Ross probably wanted no part of taking a job in a major metropolitan area. Also he might have to move to a very different, expernisive and new place with whch he might be very unfamiliar at great expense. Perhaps he doesn't know about the high cost of living in NY/NJ. Moving far away can be disruptive. THIS JOB IS VERY ATTACTIVE. EVERYONE WANTS TO WORK FOR WOODY AND WITH WRECKS RYAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Also he might have to move to a very different, expernisive and new place with whch he might be very unfamiliar at great expense. Perhaps he doesn't know about the high cost of living in NY/NJ. Moving far away can be disruptive. THIS JOB IS VERY ATTACTIVE. EVERYONE WANTS TO WORK FOR WOODY AND WITH WRECKS RYAN. Perhaps that $1 million dollar housing allowance wasn't enough to make him move to Hoboken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 There's no doubt that Ross bowed out for the same exact reasons Caldwell took the Jax job. That much is clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 There's no doubt that Ross bowed out for the same exact reasons Caldwell took the Jax job. That much is clear. Because they have options and a future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 It's as if all these GMs aren't aware of how super desirable the Jets job is. We all knew many of these names wouldn't want to work for Woody. But don't you think if WE wanted Ross we would have hired him? He was one of the first interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Because they have options and a future? They certainly have a pretty blank slate. Certainly a desirable situation if you have an owner willing to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 Perhaps that $1 million dollar housing allowance wasn't enough to make him move to Hoboken. Just saying that a million bucks wouldve got a crib on the river in Hoboken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 That's alright - the Jets didn't want him back for a 2nd interview anyway - good saving face maneuver by Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Just saying that a million bucks wouldve got a crib on the river in Hoboken. His wife was used to the southern suburbs of Atlanta, not a bad warm quiet lifestyle..I think Caldwell wiffee had a lot of input in this decision. The fact the 'housing allowance' even came up probably had to do with her looking at her Atlanta mansion and saying 'it will cost us 18 mill to get this in NJ', LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Just saying that a million bucks wouldve got a crib on the river in Hoboken. Presumably would have had his commute change at worst 15-20 minutes For all we know, he lives closer to the Jets than he does the Meadowlands. He really wouldn;t have to move at all. Alas suspect someone with the Jints told him working for the Jets and especially Wrecks Ryan-besotted Woody Johnson would be a career mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Ross' name disappeared from the radar after his interview so I'm not sure how this is an issue. I may as well withdraw my name from consideration too even though no one is interested in me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 They certainly have a pretty blank slate. Certainly a desirable situation if you have an owner willing to spend. There's an incestuous ménage au trois going on with the owner, the coach, and the quarterback. How is that a clean slate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Ross' name disappeared from the radar after his interview so I'm not sure how this is an issue. I may as well withdraw my name from consideration too even though no one is interested in me. What we don't know is whether these guys are saying things in these interviews that Woody Johnson doesn't want to hear, and therefore ruling themselves out. Or if instead the headhunter is concentrating their effort on very specific people. One thing we do know-the Jets are not going to make friends around the NFL leaking nonsense about Ross or Gamble not interviewing well. A bunch of happytalk over coffee should be way less important than actual results. And what you can say is the the Niners and Jints with respectively Gamble and Ross signifiicantly involved in drafting and personnel decisions are doing very good jobs at talent evaluation.When you badmouth respected people in your industry, the industry doesn't forget it. Look at it like this-Woody has endless patience with happytalk BS artists like Wrecks and Hermy. Mangini, what ever you think of him, got fired off a 9-7 season. Woody Johnson will let people pee on his leg and tell him it's raining, if you say it politely, tell Woody what great pants he has, and say it all with conviction and a smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 There's an incestuous ménage au trois going on with the owner, the coach, and the quarterback. How is that a clean slate? I think he was talking about Jacksonville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/jason-la-canfora/21562356/jets-interviewing-gm-finalists-again-to-make-hire-by-thursday Jets interviewing GM finalists again, to make hire by Thursday By Jason La Canfora | CBS Sports NFL Insider January 16, 2013 9:10 am EST The New York Jets plan to name a new general manager by Thursday, according to league sources, with finalists wrapping up their interviews Wednesday. The Jets have identified at least three finalists for the GM opening, and have already conducted second interviews with at least two candidates. Steelers executive Omar Khan has interviewed with them and Seahawks exec John Idzik flew in from Seattle on Tuesday and is meeting with team officials Wednesday. The Jets' assistant general manager, Scott Cohen, is also under consideration, sources said. While there were reports of former Bears GM Jerry Angelo being a finalist, sources said he was not contacted about a second interview. Also, although there have been reports that Giants scouting director Marc Ross pulled out of consideration, league sources said he was not in fact a finalist, anyway. The Jets are replacing long-time GM Mike Tannenbaum, and are focused on ways to rectify the cap crunch they are facing and determining how to navigate a handful of awful contracts bloating the payroll. The team also must improve its scouting and talent evaluation. Idzik and Khan are experts in salary-cap and contract matters, and, sources said, if the Jets went outside the organization for this hire there would likely be sweeping changes coming to the front office. The Jets made it clear to candidates that coach Rex Ryan will stay for 2013, but that coaching changes are in play beyond that season if necessary. The team has also been interviewing coaches trying to fill the many vacancies on that staff and trying to have personnel matters resolved before the Senior Bowl kicks off next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 http://www.cbssports...ire-by-thursday Jets interviewing GM finalists again, to make hire by Thursday By Jason La Canfora | CBS Sports NFL Insider January 16, 2013 9:10 am EST The New York Jets plan to name a new general manager by Thursday, according to league sources, with finalists wrapping up their interviews Wednesday. The Jets have identified at least three finalists for the GM opening, and have already conducted second interviews with at least two candidates. Steelers executive Omar Khan has interviewed with them and Seahawks exec John Idzik flew in from Seattle on Tuesday and is meeting with team officials Wednesday. The Jets' assistant general manager, Scott Cohen, is also under consideration, sources said. While there were reports of former Bears GM Jerry Angelo being a finalist, sources said he was not contacted about a second interview. Also, although there have been reports that Giants scouting director Marc Ross pulled out of consideration, league sources said he was not in fact a finalist, anyway. The Jets are replacing long-time GM Mike Tannenbaum, and are focused on ways to rectify the cap crunch they are facing and determining how to navigate a handful of awful contracts bloating the payroll. The team also must improve its scouting and talent evaluation. Idzik and Khan are experts in salary-cap and contract matters, and, sources said, if the Jets went outside the organization for this hire there would likely be sweeping changes coming to the front office. The Jets made it clear to candidates that coach Rex Ryan will stay for 2013, but that coaching changes are in play beyond that season if necessary. The team has also been interviewing coaches trying to fill the many vacancies on that staff and trying to have personnel matters resolved before the Senior Bowl kicks off next week. 2 cap guys and Tanny's in house cap assistant. Just f___in' great.There was no point in firing Tannenbaum to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 How many same old Jets threads will we see tomorrow? Over/under at 5. Place your bets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 2 cap guys and Tanny's in house cap assistant. Just f___in' great.There was no point in firing Tannenbaum to do this. I agree. Horrendous finalist list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 .There was no point in firing Tannenbaum to do this. I actually agree with the Tanny firing, because he made the Mark Sanchez pick, and the myth that he'd be a Drew Brees level QB (paying him like one). But this is what happens. Everyone loves a firing, no one thinks about or cares who is the next man up. we should just be thankful Jerry Angelo isn't on the final list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 http://www.cbssports...ire-by-thursday Jets interviewing GM finalists again, to make hire by Thursday By Jason La Canfora | CBS Sports NFL Insider January 16, 2013 9:10 am EST The New York Jets plan to name a new general manager by Thursday, according to league sources, with finalists wrapping up their interviews Wednesday. The Jets have identified at least three finalists for the GM opening, and have already conducted second interviews with at least two candidates. Steelers executive Omar Khan has interviewed with them and Seahawks exec John Idzik flew in from Seattle on Tuesday and is meeting with team officials Wednesday. The Jets' assistant general manager, Scott Cohen, is also under consideration, sources said. While there were reports of former Bears GM Jerry Angelo being a finalist, sources said he was not contacted about a second interview. Also, although there have been reports that Giants scouting director Marc Ross pulled out of consideration, league sources said he was not in fact a finalist, anyway. The Jets are replacing long-time GM Mike Tannenbaum, and are focused on ways to rectify the cap crunch they are facing and determining how to navigate a handful of awful contracts bloating the payroll. The team also must improve its scouting and talent evaluation. Idzik and Khan are experts in salary-cap and contract matters, and, sources said, if the Jets went outside the organization for this hire there would likely be sweeping changes coming to the front office. The Jets made it clear to candidates that coach Rex Ryan will stay for 2013, but that coaching changes are in play beyond that season if necessary. The team has also been interviewing coaches trying to fill the many vacancies on that staff and trying to have personnel matters resolved before the Senior Bowl kicks off next week. Idzik at least has a background in personnel, Kahn is Tannenbaum 2.0. If Cohen gets the job there will be Rodney King style rioting in Jets Nation. Overall, pretty shabby list for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I can't wait for the "if only they fired Rex, they could get a real GM" threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I can't wait for the "if only they fired Rex, they could get a real GM" threads. Which is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Which is true. Based on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 http://www.cbssports...ire-by-thursday Idzik and Khan are experts in salary-cap and contract matters, and, sources said, if the Jets went outside the organization for this hire there would likely be sweeping changes coming to the front office. 2 cap guys and Tanny's in house cap assistant. Just f___in' great.There was no point in firing Tannenbaum to do this. I agree. Horrendous finalist list. Based on the bold, I'm not that worried, unless they go with Cohen. Having a cap guy come in from Pittsburgh or Seattle and shuffling the scouting department isn't so bad. I understand the fear of having the cap guy in command, but the main scare is that it will be business as usual in talent evaluation. If there are "sweeping changes" it seems they'd be changing who they rely on for talent evaluation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 How is that not getting a real GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=422&sid=270805 "Khan is sharp, innovative, young and talented. He is just 32. The Steelers want quality and talent at every level, regardless of age or name. He works very closely with Colbert on the personnel side as well as handling cap issues on the business side. Khan has helped uncover some of the Steelers late round success stories (Ike Taylor, Larry Foote, etc.)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=422&sid=270805 "Khan is sharp, innovative, young and talented. He is just 32. The Steelers want quality and talent at every level, regardless of age or name. He works very closely with Colbert on the personnel side as well as handling cap issues on the business side. Khan has helped uncover some of the Steelers late round success stories (Ike Taylor, Larry Foote, etc.)." if he' such a great talent evaluator, why did Ambassador Rooney want Khan to come serve with him in Dublin rather than stay with the football operation? Idzik might be okay, even good. Khan and Cohen would be disasters. There's no point to firing a cap guy to then replace him either with the Steelers' junior cap guy or Tannanbaum's cap assistant. NONE. Tannenbaum made a mess of the cap, and it's a problem. But the bigger and more pressing problem is the lack of talent on the roster. You can hire a nerd to do the cap on the cheap,you cannot readily hire a quality talent evaluator. The cap guy is easliy found, the talent evaluator is way harder to get. We are overpaying crappy players, which obviously is bad. if you have talented players and have to pick and choose those you wish to retain and those you can part with due to salary cap considerations,s that's a way better set of problems. If you draft well, you can at least hope to ahve that set of problems in the future. If you don't draft well, you will always be overpaying for talent. Which is how we got here in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Ross' name disappeared from the radar after his interview so I'm not sure how this is an issue. I may as well withdraw my name from consideration too even though no one is interested in me. Pretty clear what happened with Ross. He sucked. He was clear#1 choice in carolina when they started the process. remember, ex Giant Arcorsi was hired by Panthers the way jets hired thier search firm. Arcorsi lined up Ross from day One. 62 yr old gettleman came in later and blew Panthers away . I assume Panthers realized Gettlman was the brains and Ross maybe on his coat tails . Ross younger so viewed as a up and comer. Gettlemn hired by panthers and Popp was the clear and very close 2nd choice the beat writers say. Ross fell off radar in Charlotte as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Eh. I think "hiring a nerd" to do the cap is a farce. Doing contracts is nice, but you have to determine where to spend your money. The purpose of hiring a "cap guy" is to make the tough decisions about which players you have to let walk - ie Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes. Not spending money to keep guys around. I'm sure the Jets had plenty of qualified cap nerds, but when Parcells wanted his man they still overpaid for them and they were still paying Curtis Martin years after Parcells was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 There's no point to firing a cap guy to then replace him either with the Steelers' junior cap guy or Tannanbaum's cap assistant. NONE. Tannenbaum made a mess of the cap, and it's a problem. While I'm not even slightly endorsing Cohen as an option for GM, he is actually the least cap-oriented of the apparent finalists. He was not Tanny's cap guy at all, that's Ari Nissim. Cohen's experience is almost exclusively pro personnel-based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Nobody knows how this will turn out but I can say this..... Woody Johnson is not good for this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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