CanadienJetsFan Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Ernie Adams at it again...bravo Pats. You beat a team by a hair who you should of demolished. I fear that the Pats' weaknesses were exposed yesterday. They'll get theirs soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 But why even give him that option at that point? Pats safety had already picked one off earlier. They had all the time in the world and were moving effectively. Because then they would be the Rex Ryan Jets, babying a SB Champion QB no less...You trust your QB to take what the defense gives you. IMO. Flacco blew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedAwesome Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 That's a blatant lie. The stunt was designed around the intent to deceive. That was the whole point of it. Sure the game of strategy is all about trickery, but those pussies can't win without some cheap advantage. This trick lies somewhere between a quick pitch in baseball and a balk. Good thing they exposed it before the SB. lmao Just facepalm x 1,000 WTF you think Rex's blitzes were? Telegraphed and announced before hand? You guys are brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Because then they would be the Rex Ryan Jets, babying a SB Champion QB no less...You trust your QB to take what the defense gives you. IMO. Flacco blew it. The problem with that play was not Flacco's decision on whether or not to throw the ball, but how he threw it. Smith had Arrington beat by a good 3 yards on that play. Rather than throwing the ball on a line to take Harmon out of the play, Flacco put to much air under the ball which allowed Harmon to get over and make the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost_in_pads02 Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Sorry to the Jets fans who really don't b*tch and moan and spend every sec of their football lives obsessing with what the patriots do or dont do. That's why your franchise fails all the time, too busy crying Waaa! hey cause i was watching the game, Revis got burned yesterday for a TD. Did a unhappy Jet fan run to their computer to make a thread about it yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32GreenIsGod Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 The problem with that play was not Flacco's decision on whether or not to throw the ball, but how he threw it. Smith had Arrington beat by a good 3 yards on that play. Rather than throwing the ball on a line to take Harmon out of the play, Flacco put to much air under the ball which allowed Harmon to get over and make the pick. So much for Flacco being elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 lmao Just facepalm x 1,000 WTF you think Rex's blitzes were? Telegraphed and announced before hand? You guys are brilliant You missed the point, Mr. Facepalm1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 The problem with that play was not Flacco's decision on whether or not to throw the ball, but how he threw it. Smith had Arrington beat by a good 3 yards on that play. Rather than throwing the ball on a line to take Harmon out of the play, Flacco put to much air under the ball which allowed Harmon to get over and make the pick. I agree, a throw on a line would have been better but if you watch the play, the safety was reading it the whole way so it still may not have worked...Flacco hangig it up basically making it a jump ball was an awful idea, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Sorry to the Jets fans who really don't b*tch and moan and spend every sec of their football lives obsessing with what the patriots do or dont do. That's why your franchise fails all the time, too busy crying Waaa! hey cause i was watching the game, Revis got burned yesterday for a TD. Did a unhappy Jet fan run to their computer to make a thread about it yet? Nice pic, I know that dude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 The problem with that play was not Flacco's decision on whether or not to throw the ball, but how he threw it. Smith had Arrington beat by a good 3 yards on that play. Rather than throwing the ball on a line to take Harmon out of the play, Flacco put to much air under the ball which allowed Harmon to get over and make the pick. The problem with that play was the shotgun with an empty backfield especially on 2nd & 5, a typical time to go for the homerun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Thats on Flacco, horrible decision and throw.. The ravens live on throwing it up deep and hoping for the PI, they made an art of it this year. He was hoping to draw the PI, put the ball on the 1 with 1.40 on the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 The ravens live on throwing it up deep and hoping for the PI, they made an art of it this year. He was hoping to draw the PI, put the ball on the 1 with 1.40 on the clock. Only problem with that was neither Revis nor Browner was covering the receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I'm assuming Peyton Manning will be adding this formation to his repertoire tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Eligible and non-eligible receivers have different sets of numbers In order to allow the defense to easily identify them and set their coverage. Same reason that a lineman must be announced as eligible. The Pats found a way to exploit that, but it gave them an unfair advantage. Maybe not illegal, but definitely bending the rules. The refs definitely enabled them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Eligible and non-eligible receivers have different sets of numbers In order to allow the defense to easily identify them and set their coverage. Same reason that a lineman must be announced as eligible. The Pats found a way to exploit that, but it gave them an unfair advantage. Maybe not illegal, but definitely bending the rules. The refs definitely enabled them though. And that is not the Patriots' problem. During the game they showed Vereen reporting in and another showing the ref looking like he is announcing him as ineligible. Patriots executed a legal play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 League will review whether Ravens got proper notice of ineligible player Posted by Mike Florio on January 11, 2015, 12:05 PM EST Getty Images It’s common for players with numbers that make them ineligible to report as eligible and then go down the field and become targets for passes. It’s less common for players with eligible numbers to report to officials as ineligible and then refrain from going down the field of play. On Saturday night, the Patriots took advantage of the “B” side of the rule that made former Patriots linebacker Mike Vrabel a periodic tight end. Per a league source, the NFL will now explore whether the officiating crew gave the Ravens proper notice that an eligible Patriots player would be ineligible for a given play. Running back Shane Vereen, wearing the eligible number 34, lined up split wide from the nearest offensive lineman, but because Vereen was “covered up” by another eligible receiver (i.e., an eligible receiver lined up on the line of scrimmage between Vereen and the sideline), it remained a legal formation. Vereen was, in essence, an offensive tackle with a very wide split from next lineman. On the other side of the line, tight end Michael Hoomanawanuiwas on the line of scrimmage tight to the next offensive lineman. But Hoomanawanui remained an eligible receiver with an eligible number. Vereen was required to report as an ineligible receiver, and he did. Hoomanawanui was not required to do anything. The confusion apparently came from the configuration of the offensive line and the presence of a slot receiver (lined up behind the line of scrimmage) between Vereen and the next offensive lineman. Although Vereen technically was the right tackle in a five-man offensive line, the center shifted one spot to the right, putting a pair of guards between the center and Vereen. Which created the impression that Vereen was eligible. To the left of the center, there was a guard (who was actually the left tackle) and Hoomanawanui, who appeared to be the left tackle but was actually an eligible tight end. The Ravens would have (or should have) known that an eligible receiver had reported as ineligible, but the alignment of players suggested that Hoomanawanui and not Vereen was the ineligible receiver. The Patriots furthered the ruse by having Vereen behave like a potential receiver. At the snap, he back off the line and raised his hands for a screen pass. On the other side of the line, Hoomanawanui took off for a pass from what appeared to be the left tackle position. Is it deceptive, as Ravens coach John Harbaugh alleged? Sure it is. But so is a play-action pass, a draw play, a flea flicker, a statue of liberty, a lateral pass to a receiver who throws the ball to another receiver, the zone blitz, the fake blitz, the delayed blitz, every pre-snap look aimed at making the opponent think the play is something other than what it will be, a fake punt, a fake field goals, a surprise onside kick from conventional kick formation, and a punt returner pretending the ball is coming to him when it’s actually going to a guy left alone on the other side of the field. The Vereen-ineligible play is legal, as long as the otherwise eligible player reports as ineligible. Which Vereen did. The question then becomes whether the referee properly informed the Ravens about Vereen’s ineligibility. Which the league will explore. Even if the referee did what he was supposed to do, the formation and the execution suggested that the referee may have gotten the number wrong, saying 34 when he meant to say 47. Which further underscores the brilliance of the play. Maybe Rodney Harrison was right. Maybe Bill Belichick really is the greatest coach of all time. After all, Belichick managed to confuse and confound a guy who is destined to end up pretty high on the list of best coaches ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 We don't care that you call us cheaters. I know you think it drives us crazy. But we don't care at all. And we can laugh about it knowing our success drives you crazy. I bet I can read the gameday thread and see you all praying for a Pats loss then going balistic when Brady went GOAT on Baltimore's defense. You care. We dont. If you don't care, why you on a Jets site sounding like a broken record? There's nothing wrong with calling such a play. It's the refs who dropped the ball. Why they didn't do their job by telling the not defence just who's eligible and who isn't. Why they didn't is beyond me. Just stop defending the "Patriot Way", your team DID cheat long ago, accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32GreenIsGod Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Meanwhile, Jets have a guy playing dead in the end zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Sure as hell beats the legacy of a team who has done jack $hit for the last 46 years. and you haven't done jack sh*t in 10... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeezerB Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I dpnt consider this inventiveness. I am willing to bet it will be deemed not in the spirit of the rules this offseason and will no longer be allowed. I'm not impressed with finding loopholes when you cant win it straight up. B.S. I'd bet anything that before that whining pussy Harbaugh's press conference, you never knew that there was a rule that someone could report ineligible. But now you know that whatever the Pat's did was against the "spirit" of the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuidoYastrzemski Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Meanwhile, Jets have a guy playing dead in the end zone. I lol'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 apologies excuses spin oh my Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuidoYastrzemski Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 paranoia accusations falacies oh my! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 It is not illegal, It just was never done before in the nfl and there is no rule against it. At the snap they had 5 players on the line, one of them was eligible and 4 of them and the back was not. The ref points out who is eligible, but the trick is that the defense just assumes that the guy lined up where a OT would normally played was not the guy that the ref ruled was eligible. Props to BB or whoever saw it in a college game. This is a big play used in flag football leagues, you tell the red the tackle is eligible, and send him down the field when the opposing team is paying man to man. Only difference is that it's only legal if another player fills the Tackles spot after the spot, so a RB has to step in or a previously eligible receiver slides over to occupy the area where the tackle was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 This sort of continual cheating could have easily been stopped in 2008 when the filthy scumbag was caught redhanded in the most heinous cheating scandal in professional.sports since 1919. The penalties that should have been assessed were clear and obvious 1 Forfeiture of all games played from 2000 to 2008 including three tainted superbowls 2 Bill Belichick banned for life from.the NFL and from HOF consideration 3 Robert Kraft required to sell the team to an ownership group acceptable to.the NFL by 2010 or it would be taken.over by the league Instead, Commissioner No Testicles gave them a slap on the wrist and destroyed the evidence Results of that inaction include the coddling and harboring of serial murderers and continued cheating.on.the.field as evidenced in the game vs Baltimore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 This sort of continual cheating could have easily been stopped in 2008 when the filthy scumbag was caught redhanded in the most heinous cheating scandal in professional.sports since 1919. The penalties that should have been assessed were clear and obvious 1 Forfeiture of all games played from 2000 to 2008 including three tainted superbowls 2 Bill Belichick banned for life from.the NFL and from HOF consideration 3 Robert Kraft required to sell the team to an ownership group acceptable to.the NFL by 2010 or it would be taken.over by the league Instead, Commissioner No Testicles gave them a slap on the wrist and destroyed the evidence Results of that inaction include the coddling and harboring of serial murderers and continued cheating.on.the.field as evidenced in the game vs Baltimore Aww, but the fans love them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 It isn't cheating to be a step ahead of the other coach, and ten steps ahead of the officials... It is diligent and advantageous. it sucks, it's not cheating though you're right, its not cheating. Just as when the Patriots the year they went almost completely undefeated, chose to videotape all warm ups at their stadium, just because the cameras were available. Belicheck used the excuse that he didn't know there was an NFL regulation against them using the video cameras built into the stadium for security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuidoYastrzemski Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 you're right, its not cheating. Just as when the Patriots the year they went almost completely undefeated, chose to videotape all warm ups at their stadium, just because the cameras were available. Belicheck used the excuse that he didn't know there was an NFL regulation against them using the video cameras built into the stadium for security. \ this is a new one. link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 paranoia accusations falacies oh my! Whining Sore losing Jealousy Oh My! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Again, I like Pats fans who realize that before Belichick and Brady, the Pats were a little better version of the Jets in their history. Names like Steve Grogan, Andre Tippett, Irving Fryar, should not be masked by Tom Brady Every 10 years or so the Pats knocked on the Super Bowl door - 76, 85, 96. Tippet, Hannah, Nelson, Francis, Clayborne... are not forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Pathetic Patsy fans with nothing better to do than post on a JETS Fan site on a Sunday nite = Priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Well, duh. That is the very nature of what the opposing team is trying to do. The Patriots were well within the limits of the rules when they made the moves, there’s no requirement that the defense needs to be told who the eligible players are. On each one of the three occasions, the official made the announcement of the ineligible player clearly over the PA system, similar to when a player is announced as an eligible receiver. That’s all that needs to be done. (For all of Harbaugh’s complaints, the officials actually tried to be even clearer than necessary by reiterating over the PA, “Don’t cover 34.”) http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/11/bill-belichick-checkmates-john-harbaugh-in-key-situation-leading-to-another-big-win/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Well, duh. That is the very nature of what the opposing team is trying to do. The Patriots were well within the limits of the rules when they made the moves, there’s no requirement that the defense needs to be told who the eligible players are. On each one of the three occasions, the official made the announcement of the ineligible player clearly over the PA system, similar to when a player is announced as an eligible receiver. That’s all that needs to be done. (For all of Harbaugh’s complaints, the officials actually tried to be even clearer than necessary by reiterating over the PA, “Don’t cover 34.”) http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/11/bill-belichick-checkmates-john-harbaugh-in-key-situation-leading-to-another-big-win/ Leave then alone, if we are luck enough to win the SB this year, they can say it was tainted and be good for 10 more years of laughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Pathetic Patsy fans with nothing better to do than post on a JETS Fan site on a Sunday nite = Priceless. How's the playoffs working out for you? Heard that Geno had a dick-out on the first tee today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funaz Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Come on, all Pats fans know Grogan was the Pats HC before Belichick. Everyone knows you had to google that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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