KRL Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Considering that Pryor got hurt in the second half of the NE game and missed theOAK game, is he the reason the defense has looked so bad the last 5 quarters???He definitely improved in coverage, open field tackling and Bowles was using himin a hybrid S/LB role. Could he be that big of a key to the defense??? Somethingto discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I just think the whole defense was not prepared to play last week. Such poor tackling can not be attributed to one player being out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Considering that Pryor got hurt in the second half of the NE game and missed theOAK game, is he the reason the defense has looked so bad the last 5 quarters???He definitely improved in coverage, open field tackling and Bowles was using himin a hybrid S/LB role. Could he be that big of a key to the defense??? Somethingto discuss No. The defense wasn't aggressive, showed poor fundamentals on tackling, blew assignments, and generally didn't do their jobs. I'm happy Pryor has improved, but he's not the lynchpin or reason they laid down. More likely their all ******* soft and couldn't handle the going from Foxboro to the Black Hole in consecutive weeks. ******* soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ37/12 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 definitely part of the problem. Williams was an absolute mess at safety on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 No. The defense wasn't aggressive, showed poor fundamentals on tackling, blew assignments, and generally didn't do their jobs. I'm happy Pryor has improved, but he's not the lynchpin or reason they laid down. More likely their all ******* soft and couldn't handle the going from Foxboro to the Black Hole in consecutive weeks. ******* soft. not as irate in tone, but I agree emphatically. The piss poor tackling - I saw the game for first time last night - really killed us in the first half. As much as I can't stand Geno, he settled down as did the defense, but the deficit was too large to overcome with that QB on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsbull Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 they played "bend but don't break"........and game was over in 2nd Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 He's not there yet, by a long shot, but he has definitely improved. Maybe this time next year the answer is yes, but not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 not as irate in tone, but I agree emphatically. The piss poor tackling - I saw the game for first time last night - really killed us in the first half. As much as I can't stand Geno, he settled down as did the defense, but the deficit was too large to overcome with that QB on the field. Yep. By the 4th quarter, the opportunities were there to tie it up, especially against their sh*t pass defense... but Geno running backwards and taking sacks made sure that didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Considering that Pryor got hurt in the second half of the NE game and missed theOAK game, is he the reason the defense has looked so bad the last 5 quarters???He definitely improved in coverage, open field tackling and Bowles was using himin a hybrid S/LB role. Could he be that big of a key to the defense??? Somethingto discuss I was going to write an article on this exact premise. It is scary to think about, but he is having a great season. Seeing him cover Gronk was surprising. Seeing how effective Gronk was after Pryor got hurt and how bad the d looked last week....head scratcher. Pryor's stock is skyrocketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I stated in another thread; Pryor was having a Pro Bowl season at SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LurkerKing Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 correlation =/= causation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Pryor is one of 21 meaningless players on the field until we acquire 1 quarterback worth a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I don't think Pryor's absence excuses Cro's sh*tty play, but the fact that the Jets had to replace a guy having a great year with Marcus Williams- a guy who's never played safety before.. and looked horrible and out of position doing it- definitely didn't have a positive effect on the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Jets fans are obsessing out the defense, did you guys not see the NO/NYG game? if you haven't the league is putting it on endless replay on the NFL Network. It's their ideal football game. That's what the league wants. Points and points and points and points. For the fantasy, the fanduels, the over/unders etc. It's all about points. Sure, we can talk about Calvin Pryor and if the defense is blitzing too much, or how they need a pass rusher OLB or blah blah blah. but bottom line letting up 34 isn't bad, if you score 42. That's the NFL in 2015. Defense is obsolete. Sometimes I think we Jets fans talk about defense it because we don't want to talk about the tire fire at QB. But those SEA/DAL 13-12 games are not what the league wants, what they want is the 101 combined points. They want records broken every week. If your team can't do that, your team isn't a real contender. not in 2015. In 1995 or 1985, maybe that would have worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Bitonti is is actally an old school football fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 It's clear his replacement at safety couldn't tackle and our run defense disintegrated without him. I don't think that's the reason we struggled so much against the Raiders though. Simply put we gave huge cushions, got beat, and had zero rush on Carr. The pass defense was badly exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Jets fans are obsessing out the defense, did you guys not see the NO/NYG game? if you haven't the league is putting it on endless replay on the NFL Network. It's their ideal football game. That's what the league wants. Points and points and points and points. For the fantasy, the fanduels, the over/unders etc. It's all about points. Sure, we can talk about Calvin Pryor and if the defense is blitzing too much, or how they need a pass rusher OLB or blah blah blah. but bottom line letting up 34 isn't bad, if you score 42. That's the NFL in 2015. Defense is obsolete. Sometimes I think we Jets fans talk about defense it because we don't want to talk about the tire fire at QB. But those SEA/DAL 13-12 games are not what the league wants, what they want is the 101 combined points. They want records broken every week. If your team can't do that, your team isn't a real contender. not in 2015. In 1995 or 1985, maybe that would have worked. I don't disagree with regard the direction the league is heading and what kind of football they're promoting.... But obviously we're a team whose strength is defense and who (prior to the Oakland game) had played pretty damn good defense all year. That game was eye opening -- we got completely smoked from the very first possession and had no answers. I think it's fair to wonder why the huge regression, regardless of any talent on the Oakland offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I don't think Pryor's absence excuses Cro's sh*tty play, but the fact that the Jets had to replace a guy having a great year with Marcus Williams- a guy who's never played safety before.. and looked horrible and out of position doing it- definitely didn't have a positive effect on the defense. This. And Cromartie should be fined for his lax tackling. Just horrible. Even Revis looked bad -- playing soft and getting burned by a rook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 No. The defense wasn't aggressive, showed poor fundamentals on tackling, blew assignments, and generally didn't do their jobs. I'm happy Pryor has improved, but he's not the lynchpin or reason they laid down. More likely their all ******* soft and couldn't handle the going from Foxboro to the Black Hole in consecutive weeks. ******* soft. Like baby Poo. Too soft to even fling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Pryor is one of 21 meaningless players on the field until we acquire 1 quarterback worth a damn. Ice cold tater salad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 But obviously we're a team whose strength is defense translation: the Jets are not built to win anything significant in the 2015 NFL. End of the day it's about scoring points not preventing points from being scored. It's entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snell41 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 We gave up a lot of points to NE because they're NE in their house. We gave up a lot of points to OAK because we were clearly jetlagged, slow and probably hung over from the Pats game. We never play well in OAK. Never. There's something to that whether we want to admit it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Pryor was missed but the DL played poorly and D Davis can't cover anybody. The Defense owes us one and we need to collect on Sunday to offset the shaky QB situation. I think they will come through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Not just his absence, but the fact that his replacement, Williams, missed 6 tackles assuredly played a giant role. He's responsible for a third of the teams unfthamabole missed tackle total. So yea, missing Pryor was a giant difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Considering that Pryor got hurt in the second half of the NE game and missed theOAK game, is he the reason the defense has looked so bad the last 5 quarters???He definitely improved in coverage, open field tackling and Bowles was using himin a hybrid S/LB role. Could he be that big of a key to the defense??? Somethingto discuss I brought that up right after the game Sunday, wondering if Pryor went from bust to the straw that stirs the drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I brought that up right after the game Sunday, wondering if Pryor went from bust to the straw that stirs the stink. Fixed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 losing Pryor and Jarrett both is a blow, but it should not be so big a blow that a top 3 defense turns into a top 20 defense. This isn't Troy Polamalu or Ed Reed we're talking about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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