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10 minutes ago, Lego My Lageman said:

See to me this is artful attention whoring. These are millionares who arent concerned with these issues as theyd like us to think. Dont get me wrong, there are some people who do great things for their communities but this is BS. There are so many ways to express their concern for black communities without this.

I, for one, would love to hear how you, presumably a white man, because lol-JetNation, would approve of Blacks expressing their "concern for black communities."

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28 minutes ago, Klecko73isGod said:

 

so Klecko73isGod  every time i go to quote you some weird sh*t happens on here and it gets all jumbled up.   So basically....to be clear and fair.....you are saying you don't view 9-11 as a day that should be about the victims of that tragic day because everyday should be like that??

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1 minute ago, Nostradamus said:

so Klecko73isGod  every time i go to quote you some weird sh*t happens on here and it gets all jumbled up.   So basically....to be clear and fair.....you are saying you don't view 9-11 as a day that should be about the victims of that tragic day because everyday should be like that??

Oh for goodness sakes. 

I am saying that people should be allowed to protest on that day just like any other.

 

It's what Arod fought for.

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I really like what Russell Wilson said here 9 days ago...interesting his team was planning some sort of team thing this sunday....curious as to whether he was on board?  Apparently not

Every American Should Read QB Russell Wilson's Reasons for Not Joining in Kaepernick's Flag Protest

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BY VICTORIA TAFT
9 DAYS AGO

Russell Wilson is considered by many to be one of the most stand-up guys in sports.

The Seahawks quarterback visits kids in the hospital (as do many of his fellow players), helps at football camps, sets a good example for others, and practiced sexual abstinence before marrying singer Ciara.

 

 

 

At a news conference following practice Tuesday, Wilson was asked about the Colin Kaepernick 'sit-in' during the National Anthem in protest of the oppression of "black people and people of color."

Here's what Wilson said:

 

“First of all, there’s no perfect answer. I understand and respect the cause because there’s so much going on in America right now — so much hurt, so much pain. And ultimately I understand what he’s doing."

 

But he went on to say that for him, standing with your hand over your heart is not a statement about what's wrong with the country, but an affirmation of what's right with it.

 

 

He said he has high regard for those who keep this country safe:

 

"For me, I love the flag. I love the National Anthem because it’s an emotional time for me because I’m so grateful I get to play on the football field. And every time I get to put my hand on my heart, it’s truly an honor — you know, the military, for me I think about my family members who have served, and friends — I train down in San Diego all the time, so I’m around the Navy and I see those guys around. And all they do for our country and the people in Afghanistan and all these people fighting. 9/11, for example, coming up — that’s going to be our first game and I think about all the pain from that. So that’s why I stand and put my hand on my heart."

 

Check out this photo of Wilson standing and putting his hand over his heart a month ago, before the whole Kaepernick issue blew up:

 

 

In the press conference, the quarterback continued:

 

"I do think there’s always issues in our country. I think ultimately it comes back to love. Like I said to you guys before, it comes back to loving one another and appreciating one another. Understanding that we’re not perfect but we need to be equal. And that’s from the black community, from the white community, that’s from police officers to everybody to all of our military to everybody that we get to recognize and see — have great appreciation for what this country is based on — and what it should be based on.

 

It should be based on equality. It should be based on people having freedom of speech — people can have that decision. And so, I understand what (Kaepernick’s) doing. But at the same time for me, I can also think about where we need to go and where our thoughts need to be. It needs to be about love, about caring about one another. And that’s for every community, every situation, every socio-economic status."

 

Finally, Wilson said that we need to look ahead, and "if we focus on that, maybe something can change — and I think that’s important.”

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1 hour ago, Klecko73isGod said:

No but I can't possibly fathom how that makes your opinion any more valid than mine. 

I work alongside about 10 retired Navy guys. There is only one of them who agrees with you. 

The rest all say allowing people to express themselves is exactly what they fought for. They may not like his chosen form of protest but they will defend his right to do it all day. 

I don't think anyone disagrees with Kapernick expressing himself ....Its the way he expressed himself that is the hot button issue here and that way he did choose, whether you agree or disagree, automatically turned some away from his message.

If I had a message for the country I would try and pick the best way to express that message. He knew it would bring attention to his stance but he didn't take into account all the people he would offend by doing it the way he did it and unfortunately he wound up creating another issue he probably didn't want that takes away from his original message.

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5 minutes ago, Nostradamus said:

I just figured Catapano was an interesting example to use since he was a local guy who grew up around this tragedy and the article spoke to it.  Plus he is a Jet playing on 9-11 and spoke of what that meant to him in the article.   

I was born and raised in Long Island myself, so, I can relate to Catapano's perspective.

I really hope he lights up Carson Palmer this Sunday.

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Just now, Larz said:

It's amazing to me to think of how young a lot of these players were that day. Hard to believe it was that long ago

Was doing a lecture with some stuff on the 2000 election yesterday and after a few minutes I realized the look on the faces of the students was straight bewilderment. They had never heard the story before. Majority of them were no older than 1-3 years old for that one. It's nuts how time flies.

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5 minutes ago, Larz said:

It's amazing to me to think of how young a lot of these players were that day. Hard to believe it was that long ago

I was thinking that when I read Catapano's article - I think he said he was in 6th grade when 9/11 occurred?

Makes me feel old...LOL.

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5 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Was doing a lecture with some stuff on the 2000 election yesterday and after a few minutes I realized the look on the faces of the students was straight bewilderment. They had never heard the story before. Majority of them were no older than 1-3 years old for that one. It's nuts how time flies.

It's crazy. My daughter was born in July 2000.  To her the towers really never existed in her lifetime. Now I'm teaching her how to drive. 

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34 minutes ago, gEYno said:

I, for one, would love to hear how you, presumably a white man, because lol-JetNation, would approve of Blacks expressing their "concern for black communities."

I would love for Black Live Matter take issue with the insane amounts of black on white crime and black on black crime in their own communites. Instead of rioting and buring down their towns when a cop kills someone. 

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soooo i read just about every post in this thread and have gone from thoughts of Pat Tillman to the big lebowski.  At this point I am ready to just mark it 8.  not sure if this make Kaepernick an nihilist or socialist/

#10
Bunny Lebowski: Blow on them. 
The Dude: You want me to blow on your toes? 
Bunny Lebowski: I can't blow that far. 
The Dude: [looks at man lazing in the pool] Are you sure he won't mind? 
Bunny Lebowski: Uli doesn't care about anything. He's a Nihilist. 
The Dude: Ah, that must be exhausting. 

#9
The Big Lebowski: Are you employed, sir? 
The Dude: Employed? 
The Big Lebowski: You don't go out looking for a job dressed like that? On a weekday? 
The Dude: Is this a... what day is this? 
The Big Lebowski: Well, I do work sir, so if you don't mind... 
The Dude: I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man. 

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Walter Sobchak: Donny was a good bowler, and a good man. He was one of us. He was a man who loved the outdoors... and bowling, and as a surfer he explored the beaches of Southern California, from La Jolla to Leo Carrillo and... up to... Pismo. He died, like so many young men of his generation, he died before his time. In your wisdom, Lord, you took him, as you took so many bright flowering young men at Khe Sanh, at Langdok, at Hill 364. These young men gave their lives. And so would Donny. Donny, who loved bowling. And so, Theodore Donald Karabotsos, in accordance with what we think your dying wishes might well have been, we commit your final mortal remains to the bosom of the Pacific Ocean, which you loved so well. Good night, sweet prince. 

#7
Walter Sobchak: You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me. 
The Dude: Yeah, but Walter... 
Walter Sobchak: Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish. 

#6
The Dude: Also, my rug was stolen. 
Younger Cop: The rug was in the car? 
The Dude: No. It was here. 
Younger Cop: [eager] Oh, separate incidents. 
Maude Lebowski: [on answering machine] Jeffrey, this is Maude Lebowski. I need to see you. I'm the one who took your rug. 
Younger Cop: Well. I guess we can close the file on that one. 

#5
Walter Sobchak: Nihilists! @#!* me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 

#4
Jesus Quintana: What's this day of rest @#!*? What's this bull@#!*? I don't ****in' care! It don't matter to Jesus. But you're not foolin' me, man. You might fool the @#!* in the league office, but you don't fool Jesus. This bush league psyche-out stuff. Laughable, man - ha ha! I would have@#!*ed you in the a!@ Saturday. I @#!* you in the a!@ next Wednesday instead. Wooo! You got a date Wednesday, baby! 

#3
The Dude: Nobody calls me Lebowski. You got the wrong guy. I'm the Dude, man. 
Blond Treehorn Thug: Your name's Lebowski, Lebowski. Your wife is Bunny. 
The Dude: My... my wi-, my wife, Bunny? Do you see a wedding ring on my finger? Does this place look like I'm f@#!*ing married? The toilet seat's up, man! 

#2
Jesus Quintana: You ready to be f@#!*ed, man? I see you rolled your way into the semis. Dios mio, man. Liam and me, we're gonna @#!* you up. 
The Dude: Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. 
Jesus Quintana: Let me tell you something, pendejo. You pull any of your crazy @#!* with us, you flash a piece out on the lanes, I'll take it away from you, stick it up your a!@ and pull the ******* trigger 'til it goes "click." 
The Dude: Jesus. 
Jesus Quintana: You said it, man. Nobody @#!* with the Jesus. 

#1
Walter Sobchak: @#!* it, Dude, let's go bowling.

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8 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

It's easy to fix. The NFL is a business if they don't want their employees  disrespecting the national anthem because it's the cool anti establishment thing to do now then have it in the players contracts then fine and suspend players that do it. 

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Insults - especially over the internet, are a matter of perception.

Perception is not always reality.

My apologies to anybody I offended.

I'm a Patriot through and through.

Walk a mile in my shoes - then go ahead and judge me.

If you can't walk a mile in my shoes - then you aren't in a position to judge me.

 

My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. - John F. Kennedy

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3 hours ago, Nostradamus said:

Funny how this thread has been so hijacked.   If you think that kneeling down for the National Anthem on 9-11 is fine, then what does everybody think about a kid who grew up in NY (and was surrounded by the pain of his neighbors and friends) not kneeling down for it?   Thats what the post was about.  Wasn't a criticism on those who may choose to kneel  (as strongly as I may disagree with their choice)

 

3 hours ago, rillo said:

I lost my aunt on 9/11 she was in the towers that day, but I have no issues with these guys kneeling during the anthem. This form of protest isn't about the military or 9/11. People want to make that way, but it really isn't.

Welp, you quickly put an end to that debate. 

3 hours ago, Klecko73isGod said:

Not for nothing, but the article you posted makes no mention whatsoever about the National Anthem. You made it about that by titling the thread the way you did and the comment you made in your OP.

This thread is exactly about what you wanted it to be about. 

Exactly. Which is why I made my original statement. The title of the thread and the article itself had nothing to do with one another outside of the posters personal take on players taking the knee. All that while trying to use 9/11 in order to gain emotional support given that particular day in history. To then turn around and call the thread hijacked is quite hilarious when it was the title itself that hijacked the article which kicked off the conversation to begin with. You cant create the conversation through your title, then consider the conversation hijacked because the conversation isnt turning out as you intended! 

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4 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

No more ridiculous than how you're suggesting others cannot speak on a subject, because they haven't shared your life.

I think, if you'd chosen to say "my service time gives ME unique perspective on this, and it informs my opinion heavily" then I could respect it. But to dismiss other opinions, and in some cases, dictate who can and cannot speak on a subject it becomes a direct contradiction to the first amendment rights you fought for. 

This is ultimately the problem in this country. Everyone is quick to say "I believe in our rights", but then the minute someone says something they don't want to hear "they shouldn't say that, or do that". Reality is, we live in a society that has forgotten what respect means. Which has created a dynamic in which people believe in their own right to talk endlessly, but NOBODY believes in listening anymore.

You are getting good at this Ape, very good.

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I can understand people wanting to show their displeasure towards the perceived mistreatment of people of color and/or minorities and we absolutely have the freedom of expression & the freedom of speech to do it.

As a U.S. Navy Desert Storm Veteran and as a current U.S. Merchant Marine I'll say that kneeling during our country's national anthem is absolutely the wrong way to do it.

There are more proper and appropriate ways to show your displeasure towards the government and/or law enforcement about the way minorities are treated in this country.

Now that being said, I'll say this:

America - love it or leave it.

If you don't like the country your living in - pack your bags and get the hell out.

Love it or leave it?? Pretty certain Slave owners felt the same way. And the KKK in the 50's and 60's. It's a shame that trying to improve the inequities in this country would be frowned upon.

Well done.

Funny you approve of the Jimi cover of the Star Spangled Banner. Considering all the 'noise' between lines was meant to sounds like war and chaos as a direct protest to the country's involvement in Vietnam. I mean, he didn't just kneel during the anthem, he totally shredded and stomped on the anthem and audibly made his protest loud and clear and in your face. It was basically an audio version of flag burning. But hey it sounded cool right so 'Merica!!!

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8 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

This is the full song of our National Anthem. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

O! say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner, O! long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave![19]

 

If the national Anthem was played in its entirety you would see about 80% of the league take a knee anytime the song was ever played. The song directly talks about there being "no refuge for slaves from the terrors", the same slaves who were fighting their oppressors so joined the British in an effort to get free from their bondage. 99% of the people who are making a big deal about guys taking a knee on the anthem didnt even know their own anthem said this in it. 99% of the players that this song directly talks about in regards to their ancestors dont even know that the very song says it because they never heard the anthem in its entirety. 

 

To watch guys like Kaep and Marshall receive such backlash yet at the same time know the lyrics to the entire anthem makes this entire situation pretty damn ironic. 

This anthem subject should be left alone and we should stick to the actual story posted. 

1. No refuge could save the hireling and slave.  Hireling = mercenary.  Slave may have any of several meanings including those basically taken and forced to fight for the British Navy:  "The United States declared war for several reasons, including trade restrictions brought about by the British war with France, the impressment of as many as 10,000 American merchant sailors into the Royal Navy".

2. This is not the National Anthem as we know it.  It is a poem by Francis Scott Key regaling events of the War of 1812.

3. Slavery has absolutely nothing to do with people kneeling at NFL games (though I understand that's not your argument).

4. We stand for the Anthem to honor the sacrifices, hard work, ingenuity and unity of a nation.  Those attributes belong to blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, Christians, Jews, Muslims, the wealthy and the less fortunate.  The nation has evolved over generations and its been generations of Americans that have accelerated that evolution.  Abolitionists, women's suffrage movements, civil rights leaders...the list goes on.  We stand for the anthem to honor our soldiers who have fought and too often fallen in the defense of this country.  And those soldiers have been black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Wealthy and less fortunate.  

5. Kneeling for the anthem is a choice.  Its a freedom many other countries on this planet would never allow.  But its a freedom available to any American.  Kaepernick and his copy-cats are misguided.  No one thinks this country is perfect.  No one thinks our history is perfect.  But it is a country by, for, and of the people.  All of the people.  Turning up your nose at the National Anthem is no different than turning your back on the people who've given a hell of a lot more than Colin Kaepernick to make the United States what it is, imperfect as that might be. 

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