2019 Head Coaching Candiates

[Philc1]

1 hour ago, Bugg said:

If your draft board has a safety as the 3rd best player, you need to fire the GM or head of scouting who made the board, PERIOD, FULL STOP, END OFF__ING STORY. That's a total misallocation of resources. 

 

[RESNewYork]

1 hour ago, Bugg said:

If your draft board has a safety as the 3rd best player, you need to fire the GM or head of scouting who made the board, PERIOD, FULL STOP, END OFF__ING STORY. That's a total misallocation of resources. 

What happens if the safety is a blue chip prospect but the O lineman or CB needs development or is a boom or bust prospect or has injury history or is not as good a player?

Don't all GMS want the player that is more a guarantee when picking high? Except when its a QB. When picking high it means you were a bad team. GM wants the high end prospect with the least amount of bust potential? They got a rookie who played well and started 16 games as a rookie. 

[Bugg]

18 minutes ago, RESNewYork said:

What happens if the safety is a blue chip prospect but the O lineman or CB needs development or is a boom or bust prospect or has injury history or is not as good a player?

Don't all GMS want the player that is more a guarantee when picking high? Except when its a QB. When picking high it means you were a bad team. GM wants the high end prospect with the least amount of bust potential? They got a rookie who played well and started 16 games as a rookie. 

Named 2 QBs, an OL and an edge who were last year or will be more impactful than any safety. Adams may be a good safety, but I did not see Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu nor Bob Sanders type greatness. And really you can hide a safety or a Dee Millner or a Vern Gholston or Darrin Lee for only so long anyway. SO you argument is draft guys who you will make you look less bad if they suck rather than guys who can play? 

[Sperm Edwards]

3 hours ago, Bugg said:

If your draft board has a safety as the 3rd best player, you need to fire the GM or head of scouting who made the board, PERIOD, FULL STOP, END OFF__ING STORY. That's a total misallocation of resources. 

Even still, it's using the resource of such a high pick - a pick that can be parlayed into more than a single box safety - in the absence of it being the final puzzle piece is dopey, for a team like that 2017 Jets has so many more difficult holes to fill. Holes that cannot readily be filled via FA or trade (or if they do, look what it takes to trade for a Khalil Mack or when the best LT to hit FA in years is 30 yr old Nate Solder and he costs $16m/year).

You don't - or you aren't supposed to - get a pick this high with any frequency or you're doing a lot of things wrong. That's why they're it's the type of pick that can be parlayed into a lower 1st this year plus that same team's 1st next year, trading with teams who don't figure to get picks quite that high. 

The Bills started 4 slots lower at #10 and still turned that into a lower 1st that year, plus a 3rd that year, plus another 1st the following year. People were understandably scoffing at paying that type of ransom for Mack -- never mind that Chicago gets a full season out of Mack before they start paying any draft picks (theoretically making the two 1s the trade value of a 2 and a 3, unless they still keep picking top 10 of course). By declining such a trade-down ourselves, it's precisely the type of compensation that is surrendered when using that selection for a lone prospect. Sorry, but Adams - granted, through no fault of his own - is not worth all that. Then there are the cherries on top: his top-6 salary vs a lower one, the $$$ paid for a high-dollar player as a FA (T.Johnson) over a draftee, and then the 5th year option for a #6 pick being yet another few million higher than a pick between 11-32 on top of that; none are a dealmaker/breaker amounts alone, but each of these and other extra cherry-on-top goodies eventually add up to yet another player or two we eventually don't sign or upgrade to in 2020).

Failing to look at what else the pick could have parlayed into - other than merely selecting a different player in his slot - is the myopic problem with drafting a ****ing safety at #6. Especially on a tanking team that legitimately had well over a dozen short and long term holes and question marks including QB, EDGE, LT, C, G, RB, WR, TE, NT, DT/DE if Mo didn't bounce back, CB1, CB2, and NB (in addition to the safety positions). 

[Philc1]

4 hours ago, RESNewYork said:

What happens if the safety is a blue chip prospect but the O lineman or CB needs development or is a boom or bust prospect or has injury history or is not as good a player?

Don't all GMS want the player that is more a guarantee when picking high? Except when its a QB. When picking high it means you were a bad team. GM wants the high end prospect with the least amount of bust potential? They got a rookie who played well and started 16 games as a rookie. 

Jet fans made the same argument defending us using a second on a kicker in 2005

[Savage69]

6 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

 

Jamal Adams was not picked to be a leader of men.  Thats nonsense from the Adams sucks contingent.  He was drafted at 6 because he was the 3rd ranked player in the draft, at worse a top 5.  He was a stud at LSU and a blue chip prospect.  Oh and he happens to be considered a leader.  This somehow gets a small handful of Jets fans balls twisted.  The whole idea that S is a low value pick is something you only read here.  Funny, I always remember how the Colts were two different teams, the one that struggled without Sanders at S and the one that was a completely different D and team with Sanders.  The whole idea that BPA is some crazy idiot way of drafting is pretty funny 

True most had him going either 2nd or 3rd in the 1st rd.. Walter had him going 2nd to the 49'ers..

http://walterfootball.com/draft2017.php

 

[Bugg]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Even still, it's using the resource of such a high pick - a pick that can be parlayed into more than a single box safety - in the absence of it being the final puzzle piece is dopey, for a team like that 2017 Jets has so many more difficult holes to fill. Holes that cannot readily be filled via FA or trade (or if they do, look what it takes to trade for a Khalil Mack or when the best LT to hit FA in years is 30 yr old Nate Solder and he costs $16m/year).

You don't - or you aren't supposed to - get a pick this high with any frequency or you're doing a lot of things wrong. That's why they're it's the type of pick that can be parlayed into a lower 1st this year plus that same team's 1st next year, trading with teams who don't figure to get picks quite that high. 

The Bills started 4 slots lower at #10 and still turned that into a lower 1st that year, plus a 3rd that year, plus another 1st the following year. People were understandably scoffing at paying that type of ransom for Mack -- never mind that Chicago gets a full season out of Mack before they start paying any draft picks (theoretically making the two 1s the trade value of a 2 and a 3, unless they still keep picking top 10 of course). By declining such a trade-down ourselves, it's precisely the type of compensation that is surrendered when using that selection for a lone prospect. Sorry, but Adams - granted, through no fault of his own - is not worth all that. Then there are the cherries on top: his top-6 salary vs a lower one, the $$$ paid for a high-dollar player as a FA (T.Johnson) over a draftee, and then the 5th year option for a #6 pick being yet another few million higher than a pick between 11-32 on top of that; none are a dealmaker/breaker amounts alone, but each of these and other extra cherry-on-top goodies eventually add up to yet another player or two we eventually don't sign or upgrade to in 2020).

Failing to look at what else the pick could have parlayed into - other than merely selecting a different player in his slot - is the myopic problem with drafting a ****ing safety at #6. Especially on a tanking team that legitimately had well over a dozen short and long term holes and question marks including QB, EDGE, LT, C, G, RB, WR, TE, NT, DT/DE if Mo didn't bounce back, CB1, CB2, and NB (in addition to the safety positions). 

You can justify paying a QB, a corner, an LT or C , a WR or an edge a big chunk of cap room. But paying a safety the same kind of fraction based on the fact you picked him so high is how you will get into cap trouble. Again, Adams, through no fault of his own, could be a very good player. But you could get a late round guy or a free agent to produce close to what his best case scenario is,and you won't have to make a bad cap decision at the end of that guy's rookie deal. Because at the end of Adams' and Maye's rookie deals, Jets will be in that hole. 

[DMan77]

I don't think TB is going anywhere...

[Creepy Lurker]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Even still, it's using the resource of such a high pick - a pick that can be parlayed into more than a single box safety - in the absence of it being the final puzzle piece is dopey, for a team like that 2017 Jets has so many more difficult holes to fill. Holes that cannot readily be filled via FA or trade (or if they do, look what it takes to trade for a Khalil Mack or when the best LT to hit FA in years is 30 yr old Nate Solder and he costs $16m/year).

You don't - or you aren't supposed to - get a pick this high with any frequency or you're doing a lot of things wrong. That's why they're it's the type of pick that can be parlayed into a lower 1st this year plus that same team's 1st next year, trading with teams who don't figure to get picks quite that high. 

The Bills started 4 slots lower at #10 and still turned that into a lower 1st that year, plus a 3rd that year, plus another 1st the following year. People were understandably scoffing at paying that type of ransom for Mack -- never mind that Chicago gets a full season out of Mack before they start paying any draft picks (theoretically making the two 1s the trade value of a 2 and a 3, unless they still keep picking top 10 of course). By declining such a trade-down ourselves, it's precisely the type of compensation that is surrendered when using that selection for a lone prospect. Sorry, but Adams - granted, through no fault of his own - is not worth all that. Then there are the cherries on top: his top-6 salary vs a lower one, the $$$ paid for a high-dollar player as a FA (T.Johnson) over a draftee, and then the 5th year option for a #6 pick being yet another few million higher than a pick between 11-32 on top of that; none are a dealmaker/breaker amounts alone, but each of these and other extra cherry-on-top goodies eventually add up to yet another player or two we eventually don't sign or upgrade to in 2020).

Failing to look at what else the pick could have parlayed into - other than merely selecting a different player in his slot - is the myopic problem with drafting a ****ing safety at #6. Especially on a tanking team that legitimately had well over a dozen short and long term holes and question marks including QB, EDGE, LT, C, G, RB, WR, TE, NT, DT/DE if Mo didn't bounce back, CB1, CB2, and NB (in addition to the safety positions). 

This is another very important point that gets buried under all the typical points as to why this was a bad allocation of resources. 

This is just an example of allocation and NOT the 2017 draft/off season

Would you rather:

A. draft a pass rusher/LT with a top 10 pick at roughly $5.5 million per(Adams exact cost for first 4 years) AND sign a good FA safety (like Micah Hyde which the bills signed from Green Bay last year) for $6 mil per(Hyde’s contract) for a total of $11.5-$12mil per

OR

B. Draft a safety top 10 for $5.5 million per and sign a decent pass rusher/LT via FA( very rare and everyone will be after same player) for $15 million per(minimum cost of a good rusher or LT)?

Right off the bat it’s about a $9 million difference in salary but it’s not just the salary. It’s the quality of talent.

Really good LT or pass rushers RARELY hit FA so the $15mil per figure that I used is probably low. I’m just being reasonable Incase someone only “good” actually hit FA and is overpaid which we’ve seen happen to all positions. You have to draft LT/Pass rushers to realistically have a shot at a good one. 

Good safeties DO hit FA. It’s a deep position. Another bonus is “older” cornerbacks sometimes convert to safety(Charles Woodson) so there is even more of a talent pool. 

It may just be my opinion but it just seems like a poor allocation of resources. Having a lot of cap space is great but it’s hard to spend when your holes are the positions that don’t shake free in FA and you should have been drafting. 

[RESNewYork]

5 hours ago, Bugg said:

Named 2 QBs, an OL and an edge who were last year or will be more impactful than any safety. Adams may be a good safety, but I did not see Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu nor Bob Sanders type greatness. And really you can hide a safety or a Dee Millner or a Vern Gholston or Darrin Lee for only so long anyway. SO you argument is draft guys who you will make you look less bad if they suck rather than guys who can play? 

No. I thought that was you argument. Safetys do get drafted top 10. Its probably because they were a better prospect. I remember the Redskins took Landry top 10 with Taylor on the roster who they took top 10 a few years earlier. 

Watt and Ramczyk when 30 and 32. I mean there is a reason they dropped to the end of the 1st round.

If it's about the QBs then yes, GMs roll the dice. 

What I am saying is a safety can be top 5 on a draft board. For reasons like I stated earlier

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Bugg said:

You can justify paying a QB, a corner, an LT or C , a WR or an edge a big chunk of cap room. But paying a safety the same kind of fraction based on the fact you picked him so high is how you will get into cap trouble. Again, Adams, through no fault of his own, could be a very good player. But you could get a late round guy or a free agent to produce close to what his best case scenario is,and you won't have to make a bad cap decision at the end of that guy's rookie deal. Because at the end of Adams' and Maye's rookie deals, Jets will be in that hole. 

I've been beating this drum for a while.

Even a center is iffy, except they don't typically cost that much comparatively anyhow. Best argument to be a little on the "generous" side when you do get a HOF-level one (e.g. Mangold) because the odds of finding another Mawae via FA are slim. Teams tend to lock them up and never let go until they're no good anymore. Still you wouldn't burn a #6 type pick on a center. 

Doesn't have to be a "late round" guy to fill in instead of Adams, but if you require the #6 overall pick in a draft to fill the safety position you suck at what you do. They're far better off with a mid-level FA safety in the 5 yr x $8m/year range with 2 years guaranteed than burn that kind of draft capital (which itself comes with a $6m/year, 100%-guaranteed contract anyway, for 4 years with a 5th yr option at what will then be ~$12-13m). 

[Defense Wins Championships]

2 hours ago, Bugg said:

You can justify paying a QB, a corner, an LT or C , a WR or an edge a big chunk of cap room. But paying a safety the same kind of fraction based on the fact you picked him so high is how you will get into cap trouble. Again, Adams, through no fault of his own, could be a very good player. But you could get a late round guy or a free agent to produce close to what his best case scenario is,and you won't have to make a bad cap decision at the end of that guy's rookie deal. Because at the end of Adams' and Maye's rookie deals, Jets will be in that hole. 

I can't agree with your assessment of the importance or value of an (impact) NFL Safety when often times they're both the signal callers and QB's of your defense. 

Just to mention a few of the All-Time greats from within my generation...

Ronnie Lott.
Rod Woodson. 
Ed Reed.
Sean Taylor.
Troy Polamalu.
Rodney Harrison.
Darren Woodson.
Steve Atwater.
Brian Dawkins.
John Lynch.
Darren Sharper. 

Etc, etc. 

If the ultimate goal is to compete for and eventually win a Super Bowl you want those types of guys (mentioned above) fighting within your defensive foxhole (and worth every dollar if looking for sustained long term success). 

Earl Thomas, Eric Berry, Harrison Smith, Devin McCourty, Lamarcus Joyner, Kam Chancellor and Tyrann Mathieu are some of my favorites within the game today and the likes of Jamal Adams, Micah Hyde, Landon Collins, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Keanu Neal, Derwin James and quite possibly Marcus Maye will all soon follow. 

The Safety position will always and forever have a home in this league especially when in terms of featuring impactful, game changing and overall dynamic types of defensive playmakers. 

 

 

[Bugg]

27 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

I can't agree with your assessment of the importance or value of an (impact) NFL Safety when often times they're both the signal callers and QB's of your defense. 

Just to mention a few of the All-Time greats from within my generation...

Ronnie Lott.
Rod Woodson. 
Ed Reed.
Sean Taylor.
Troy Polamalu.
Rodney Harrison.
Darren Woodson.
Steve Atwater.
Brian Dawkins.
John Lynch.
Darren Sharper. 

Etc, etc. 

If the ultimate goal is to compete for and eventually win a Super Bowl you want those types of guys (mentioned above) fighting within your defensive foxhole (and worth every dollar if looking for sustained long term success). 

Earl Thomas, Eric Berry, Harrison Smith, Devin McCourty, Lamarcus Joyner, Kam Chancellor and Tyrann Mathieu are some of my favorites within the game today and the likes of Jamal Adams, Micah Hyde, Landon Collins, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Keanu Neal, Derwin James and quite possibly Marcus Maye will all soon follow. 

The Safety position will always and forever have a home in this league especially when in terms of featuring impactful, game changing and overall dynamic types of defensive playmakers. 

 

 

Almost every guy in the first group you named was drafted well over a decade ago. 

Earl Thomas ended his holdout because there was no market to overpay him for exactly all the reasons we have gone over here. Mathieu changed teams for a lot of the same kids of reasons. 

LT Nate Solder had his pick of teams lining up to pay him $16 million per. Kifk Cousins, same thing. Edge guys barely if ever hit FA in their primes. Suh, and before that, Reggie White? 

The rules as enforced negate getting physical with receivers like all of the above did. 

Above all your logic is- 

1. 10-25 years ago these guys were good safeties under a very different set of rules as to PI, 5 yard hits and cap rules.  

2. There are some good safeties, many of whom have had to change teams because no sensibly run team would overpay them

3. It's good to have a good safety (over what else though? an edge in Watt, an LT in Ramcysk, 2 QBs?) . 

3. Therefore we should be happy to have overdrafted and overpaid Adams and Maye.

Again, I think both can be good players, but the opportunity cost and allocation of cap room now and long term are a bad deal. 

 

[Beerfish]

17 hours ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Unless it's someone such as Jim Harbaugh along with his .695% winning percentage? 

I wouldn't be in a rush to quit on coach Todd Bowles, at least not after only his first three years under a complete team rebuild I wouldn't.

Some of the greatest head coaches of all-time had below .500 records after their first three seasons of head coaching.

Tom Landry: 9-28 (.243%).
Chuck Noll: 12-30 (.285%).
Weeb Ewbank: 13-22 (.371%).
Marv Levy: 19-29 (.395%).
Jimmy Johnson: 19-29 (.395%).
Dick Vermeil: 18-26 (.409%).
Bill Belichick: 20-28 (.416%). 
Bill Walsh: 21-27 (.437%).
Mike Shanahan: 16-20 (.444%).
Bill Parcells: 22-25 (.468%).

I feel that both Bowles and Maccagnan deserve another three seasons in order to truly complete this team rebuild. 

1.) Darnold's rookie year (2018).         

2.) Projected 1st in available salary cap space (2019).                                 

3.) Projected 2nd in available salary cap space (2020). 

By then we could have a perennial contender and kings of the AFC East (unless Brady plays until 45). 

Nice plan, only detail is that Todd bowles being mentioned in the same breath as the coaches you list is a heinous act punishable by walking the plank.  Bowles = john fox and jeff fisher at the end of their careers.  D coaches that the game passed by and were only good at stagnating their young qbs.

Mac has had some good and some bad, i can see him getting the benefit of the doubt bowles is awful and should be fired before he screws up 'the rebuild'

[sec101row23]

If a head coach doesn’t win the Super Bowl with in 5 years of joining a team, he doesn’t win one there.  Rare exception, Bill Cowher won in year 6.  

[RESNewYork]

18 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Jet fans made the same argument defending us using a second on a kicker in 2005

What? Nothing to do with what I posted

[Jet Nut]

21 hours ago, Creepy Lurker said:

This is another very important point that gets buried under all the typical points as to why this was a bad allocation of resources. 

This is just an example of allocation and NOT the 2017 draft/off season

Would you rather:

A. draft a pass rusher/LT with a top 10 pick at roughly $5.5 million per(Adams exact cost for first 4 years) AND sign a good FA safety (like Micah Hyde which the bills signed from Green Bay last year) for $6 mil per(Hyde’s contract) for a total of $11.5-$12mil per

OR

B. Draft a safety top 10 for $5.5 million per and sign a decent pass rusher/LT via FA( very rare and everyone will be after same player) for $15 million per(minimum cost of a good rusher or LT)?

Right off the bat it’s about a $9 million difference in salary but it’s not just the salary. It’s the quality of talent.

Really good LT or pass rushers RARELY hit FA so the $15mil per figure that I used is probably low. I’m just being reasonable Incase someone only “good” actually hit FA and is overpaid which we’ve seen happen to all positions. You have to draft LT/Pass rushers to realistically have a shot at a good one. 

Good safeties DO hit FA. It’s a deep position. Another bonus is “older” cornerbacks sometimes convert to safety(Charles Woodson) so there is even more of a talent pool. 

It may just be my opinion but it just seems like a poor allocation of resources. Having a lot of cap space is great but it’s hard to spend when your holes are the positions that don’t shake free in FA and you should have been drafting. 

So the moms basement GMs want to advocate drafting a lesser talent but at a higher dollar position over a S because it will possibly save money down the road?  You want a lesser who plays a "premium" position because you can get a lesser S down the road somewhere else, giving you two players, neither as talented as the original option of Adams?  

LOL, and you guys call Macc and idiot for wanting the best player and think he should take a less talented player at another position?  OMG this is the worst case scenario, two players none as good as the player we chose.  Butttttt, we savvvved money.  LOL

[Creepy Lurker]

2 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

So the moms basement GMs want to advocate drafting a lesser talen but at a higher dollar position over a S because it will possibly dpsave money down the road?  You want a lesser who plays a "premium" position because you can get a lesser S down the road somewhere else, giving you two players, neither as talented as the original option of Adams?  

LOL, and you guys call Macc and indict?  OMG this is the worst case scenario, two players none as good as the player we chose.  Butttttt, we savvvved money.  LOL

I have paid attention to a lot of your posts and you are always that one guy that starts trouble/can’t  have an intelligent conversation especially when good points are brought up. You tend to “rub” people the wrong way and turn things into an argument consistently rather than an intelligent discussion. None of your points made any sense and I won’t fall into the trap of arguing with people that bring nothing of value to a conversation. Good day to you sir. 

[Jet Nut]

37 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said:

I have paid attention to a lot of your posts and you are always that one guy that starts trouble/can’t  have an intelligent conversation especially when good points are brought up. You tend to “rub” people the wrong way and turn things into an argument consistently rather than an intelligent discussion. None of your points made any sense and I won’t fall into the trap of arguing with people that bring nothing of value to a conversation. Good day to you sir. 

Yeah, I start "trouble" when I dont agree with arguements like this that make little to no sense. 

Nice defense to the position.  Cant find fault with the message, blame the messenger for some imagined position.  

If you cant find any value, even if you flat out disagree with what I wrote then its on you and you shouldnt get involved in ongoing conversations.  In fact you say I added nothing to the conversation, which I was in and you thought needed your thoughts.  But you dont want to get involved with discussing because I dont add anything of value.  Strang logic. 

Nothing I wrote about should rub any normal human being wrong.  Not one insulting word or name calling.  Sorry, didnt know you were that sensitive to people who have an alternate opinion and dont agree with you.  Maybe you should go back to just being a lurker

[Beerfish]

3 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

So the moms basement GMs want to advocate drafting a lesser talent but at a higher dollar position over a S because it will possibly save money down the road?  You want a lesser who plays a "premium" position because you can get a lesser S down the road somewhere else, giving you two players, neither as talented as the original option of Adams?  

LOL, and you guys call Macc and idiot for wanting the best player and think he should take a less talented player at another position?  OMG this is the worst case scenario, two players none as good as the player we chose.  Butttttt, we savvvved money.  LOL

Basement gms said hackenburg was a sh*tty pick while the ral gm thought he was good...ojh and you did too.

Marshown lattimore plays a premium position, one that costs way more ad is a way better player than jamal adams.  Hell we could have pulled a buffalo and trade that pick and chose tredavious white another #1 cb

Safeties as we can see this of season are available all over the place and not just terrible players.  They also cost less.

Lets assume that jamal adams has a nice career along the line of his 1st year.  Box safety that makes runs stops, does not create turnovers and cannot cover.  That is a terrible use of 6th overall seeing as you can get those the of guys in fa or lower in the draft.

After 4 full drafts we have no good oline prospects.  We have no edge rushers, we have no #1 Cb we have no dominant wr, we have no scary RB, we have no scary TE.

If all goes well we have covered the Safety position and the punter positions and this year QB.  Then we have ilb, same thing as sageties.  We drafted lee 20th overall.  Demario davis and Avery williamson are both way better than this dude and one was a nice trade and one was a fairly cheap fa.

IF you draft safeties and olbs high they have to be super high impact players not just serviceable starters.

You love to scream at others on this forum for them being too negative  and not knowing what they are talking about when according to you all jet moves are awesome sauce moves.  The doomsayers in the past have been right about 90% of the time the can do no wrongers have been wrong about 90% of the time.

 

[Creepy Lurker]

2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Basement gms said hackenburg was a sh*tty pick while the ral gm thought he was good...ojh and you did too.

Marshown lattimore plays a premium position, one that costs way more ad is a way better player than jamal adams.  Hell we could have pulled a buffalo and trade that pick and chose tredavious white another #1 cb

Safeties as we can see this of season are available all over the place and not just terrible players.  They also cost less.

Lets assume that jamal adams has a nice career along the line of his 1st year.  Box safety that makes runs stops, does not create turnovers and cannot cover.  That is a terrible use of 6th overall seeing as you can get those the of guys in fa or lower in the draft.

After 4 full drafts we have no good oline prospects.  We have no edge rushers, we have no #1 Cb we have no dominant wr, we have no scary RB, we have no scary TE.

If all goes well we have covered the Safety position and the punter positions and this year QB.  Then we have ilb, same thing as sageties.  We drafted lee 20th overall.  Demario davis and Avery williamson are both way better than this dude and one was a nice trade and one was a fairly cheap fa.

IF you draft safeties and olbs high they have to be super high impact players not just serviceable starters.

You love to scream at others on this forum for them being too negative  and not knowing what they are talking about when according to you all jet moves are awesome sauce moves.  The doomsayers in the past have been right about 90% of the time the can do no wrongers have been wrong about 90% of the time.

 

No sense in reasoning. It's a shame because my post had a lot of good points regarding contracts and positional value etc. that I would like to talk about/get opinions but sometimes there are people like this that are not even worth replying to. I've seen this before from him but enough is enough. I'm here for quality conversations with other Jets fans that I respect. I respect the opinions of pretty much everyone here except this guy.

Even the people that I disagree with I tend to have good conversations with or they at least can see the point that I make and its not a childish argument. I'm just not going down that road with him since he is the only poster that I have seen here that is terrible and blindly drinks kool aid with ZERO thought or ability to analyze a situation/topic. Even other "homers" here still make good points. I could talk to a pet animal about the jets and it would be more insightful than this guy. 

[Jet Nut]

29 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Basement gms said hackenburg was a sh*tty pick while the ral gm thought he was good...ojh and you did too.

Marshown lattimore plays a premium position, one that costs way more ad is a way better player than jamal adams.  Hell we could have pulled a buffalo and trade that pick and chose tredavious white another #1 cb

Safeties as we can see this of season are available all over the place and not just terrible players.  They also cost less.

Lets assume that jamal adams has a nice career along the line of his 1st year.  Box safety that makes runs stops, does not create turnovers and cannot cover.  That is a terrible use of 6th overall seeing as you can get those the of guys in fa or lower in the draft.

After 4 full drafts we have no good oline prospects.  We have no edge rushers, we have no #1 Cb we have no dominant wr, we have no scary RB, we have no scary TE.

If all goes well we have covered the Safety position and the punter positions and this year QB.  Then we have ilb, same thing as sageties.  We drafted lee 20th overall.  Demario davis and Avery williamson are both way better than this dude and one was a nice trade and one was a fairly cheap fa.

IF you draft safeties and olbs high they have to be super high impact players not just serviceable starters.

You love to scream at others on this forum for them being too negative  and not knowing what they are talking about when according to you all jet moves are awesome sauce moves.  The doomsayers in the past have been right about 90% of the time the can do no wrongers have been wrong about 90% of the time.

 

We're not talking about Hack.  Its the go to argument that most didnt think he was worth the pick.  Doesnt make you right about every friggen draft pick you dont like.  The logic doesnt come close to working.  

Who we didnt draft over 4 years has nothing to do with Adams being worth his draft position.  None of which made you anywhere near right when you said that Adams should have been a day two 4th round pick. 

Its not a matter of being negative about picks, coaches etc.  Its when youre nothing but negative about everything that has anything to do with ownership, HCs, CS, GMs, players, etc.  Every post, every day, no matter the board, no matter the players everytime.  It's fine, no one would complain about talk of things someone doesn't agree with peppered in with the obvious good.  When it's all one sided It turns into boring assed white noise

[Larz]

Imagine this thread the job was actually open ?

[Philc1]

6 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Basement gms said hackenburg was a sh*tty pick while the ral gm thought he was good...ojh and you did too.

Marshown lattimore plays a premium position, one that costs way more ad is a way better player than jamal adams.  Hell we could have pulled a buffalo and trade that pick and chose tredavious white another #1 cb

Safeties as we can see this of season are available all over the place and not just terrible players.  They also cost less.

Lets assume that jamal adams has a nice career along the line of his 1st year.  Box safety that makes runs stops, does not create turnovers and cannot cover.  That is a terrible use of 6th overall seeing as you can get those the of guys in fa or lower in the draft.

After 4 full drafts we have no good oline prospects.  We have no edge rushers, we have no #1 Cb we have no dominant wr, we have no scary RB, we have no scary TE.

If all goes well we have covered the Safety position and the punter positions and this year QB.  Then we have ilb, same thing as sageties.  We drafted lee 20th overall.  Demario davis and Avery williamson are both way better than this dude and one was a nice trade and one was a fairly cheap fa.

IF you draft safeties and olbs high they have to be super high impact players not just serviceable starters.

You love to scream at others on this forum for them being too negative  and not knowing what they are talking about when according to you all jet moves are awesome sauce moves.  The doomsayers in the past have been right about 90% of the time the can do no wrongers have been wrong about 90% of the time.

 

If Macagnan isn’t a basement GM his drafts have been basement quality