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And that same coach has to have the pelts as Parcells use to say to have instant respect from the players. That's why I don't want to go the young inexperienced head coach route. I know it can work & has before but it's failed more often than not with organizations that don't expect and demand excellence. 

Trumaine Johnson is going to be getting paid here for 2 more years, I want a coach like Harbaugh (if he gets let go) or A Mike Shannahan (if he would go one more time), that has the balls to bench a player like TJ. I've never seen a coach as weak & taken advantage of like Bowles. Parcells tree? He was a bad apple that fell off that tree.

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Just now, jmat321 said:

Some weird fantasy world deep inside my head - Belicheck finally has enough of Brady and Kraft and decides to stick it to the Pats by coming back to the Jets

Brady made his career, he's not stupid.  Belichick without Brady is useless.

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Football teams to be a meritocracy and we need a coach to stick to that philosophy.  If you don't perform, you don't play, and the GM needs to provide the coach with enough depth on the team where that is actually possible without severely downgrading productivity.  The GM and coach have to work in complete harmony and actually know what they're doing.  It's been a long time since the Jets had that combo.  Clean house after this season ends and try to find that winning combo ASAP!  

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55 minutes ago, bealeb319 said:

Didn't Bowles bench both Wilkerson and Richardson one game?

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Wilkerson basically benched himself for Bowles entire tenure.... Sheldon did, i think, but back to my first comment....

Bowles essentially "benched" our entire "dominant" Dline since he's been here.

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1 hour ago, bealeb319 said:

Johnson was pretty decent for the rams...what has changed? Is it the coaching or the paycheck?

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This is not true.  He was decent, why?  Because the PFF nerds said so?

He was smoked by Pierre Garcon on national television last season playing with Beathard... his best game since the Peyton Manning days with the Colts.

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1 hour ago, bealeb319 said:

Didn't Bowles bench both Wilkerson and Richardson one game?

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yeah but that was proof he was losing the locker room ... by instilling discipline 

also great when people complain about Bowles not being a disciplinarian like Parcells. when he's literally a direct branch of the Parcells tree, worked on Groh's staff and again with the Tuna himself in Dal 03-06  

meanwhile Parcells basically let LT do whatever he wanted, legal or otherwise. There was a story once they had to cut LT out of handcuffs for practice. 

 

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LOL another Harbaugh thread. He loves benching people? Flacco was awful for 2 straight years. Never got benched. 

Harbaugh is a special teams coach and has not proven to be QB friendly, yet he is the first choice by many here because they recognize the name and it makes them feel good. 

Hard pass on former special teams coach Harbaugh to be the man responsible for developing Darnold.  

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1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

Is there anyone on the bench that can play?  That will play harder?  Until then, this is just a bunch of BS.  Johnson didn't play for weeks and the same issues were very evident. 

Tru is a prime example of why Bowles doenst hold players accountable.

You know who was one of our best players while Tru was out, and why the secondary was playing better - Darryl Roberts.  Yet Tru "comes back" and plays basically every single snap even after he gets burned, while Roberts sits on the sidelines.  Why exactly does Tru deserve to walk on the field immediately when he backup was playing well?  How about after being burned - couldnt Todd have yanked him from the game for Roberts and chewed his a$$ out?

As for Tru overall, he is a perfect example of Bowles and Rogers being clueless about their players strengths.  Tru is a 4.5-4.6 guy, hes not a burner by any means.  What he brings to the table is good cover skills and size.  He can mirror bigger WRs and make plays on the ball.  Put him against someone like Antonio Calloway (first quarter vs Cleveland) and hes gonna get burned on a fly pattern if he doesnt have safety help.  He, like ALL players, need to be put in position to succeed.

And I know people will say "hes paid as a shut down corner."   Well we all need to realize that aside from Revis's first stint here and occasional seasons by guys like Patrick Peterson, ALL CBs, even very good ones, get beat and need safety help.  Does anyone think Richard Sherman didnt benefit from having Earl Thomas deep?  Its a team game and Bowles has to put Tru on a bigger WR who is the teams #2 and let him shut that guy down.  Dont put him on a speed guy without safety help.

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22 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Tru is a prime example of why Bowles doenst hold players accountable.

You know who was one of our best players while Tru was out, and why the secondary was playing better - Darryl Roberts.  Yet Tru "comes back" and plays basically every single snap even after he gets burned, while Roberts sits on the sidelines.  Why exactly does Tru deserve to walk on the field immediately when he backup was playing well?  How about after being burned - couldnt Todd have yanked him from the game for Roberts and chewed his a$$ out?

As for Tru overall, he is a perfect example of Bowles and Rogers being clueless about their players strengths.  Tru is a 4.5-4.6 guy, hes not a burner by any means.  What he brings to the table is good cover skills and size.  He can mirror bigger WRs and make plays on the ball.  Put him against someone like Antonio Calloway (first quarter vs Cleveland) and hes gonna get burned on a fly pattern if he doesnt have safety help.  He, like ALL players, need to be put in position to succeed.

And I know people will say "hes paid as a shut down corner."   Well we all need to realize that aside from Revis's first stint here and occasional seasons by guys like Patrick Peterson, ALL CBs, even very good ones, get beat and need safety help.  Does anyone think Richard Sherman didnt benefit from having Earl Thomas deep?  Its a team game and Bowles has to put Tru on a bigger WR who is the teams #2 and let him shut that guy down.  Dont put him on a speed guy without safety help.

I like Roberts more than the next guy, but people were screeching the same tune when he was out there,  The idea that benching people solves this mess is laughable.  

They'd play better if they were afraid to be benched?  Ha. 

Their backups are better.  Ha. 

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1 hour ago, bealeb319 said:

Johnson was pretty decent for the rams...what has changed? Is it the coaching or the paycheck?

A 9-1 team, who is competing for a Super Bowl this year, decided to let him go.

They traded for two additional corners, giving up a 2nd, 4th, and 5th round pick, rather than paying him.

Shouldn't that tell us something?

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32 minutes ago, BCJet said:

Tru is a prime example of why Bowles doenst hold players accountable.

You know who was one of our best players while Tru was out, and why the secondary was playing better - Darryl Roberts.  Yet Tru "comes back" and plays basically every single snap even after he gets burned, while Roberts sits on the sidelines.  Why exactly does Tru deserve to walk on the field immediately when he backup was playing well?  How about after being burned - couldnt Todd have yanked him from the game for Roberts and chewed his a$$ out?

As for Tru overall, he is a perfect example of Bowles and Rogers being clueless about their players strengths.  Tru is a 4.5-4.6 guy, hes not a burner by any means.  What he brings to the table is good cover skills and size.  He can mirror bigger WRs and make plays on the ball.  Put him against someone like Antonio Calloway (first quarter vs Cleveland) and hes gonna get burned on a fly pattern if he doesnt have safety help.  He, like ALL players, need to be put in position to succeed.

And I know people will say "hes paid as a shut down corner."   Well we all need to realize that aside from Revis's first stint here and occasional seasons by guys like Patrick Peterson, ALL CBs, even very good ones, get beat and need safety help.  Does anyone think Richard Sherman didnt benefit from having Earl Thomas deep?  Its a team game and Bowles has to put Tru on a bigger WR who is the teams #2 and let him shut that guy down.  Dont put him on a speed guy without safety help.

Hey pal, we don't need reasoning and common sense here on this forum so just butt out.

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1 hour ago, bealeb319 said:

Johnson was pretty decent for the rams...what has changed? Is it the coaching or the paycheck?

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6 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

A 9-1 team, who is competing for a Super Bowl this year, decided to let him go.

They traded for two additional corners, giving up a 2nd, 4th, and 5th round pick, rather than paying him.

Shouldn't that tell us something?

He also doesn't have guys like Aaron Donald and Robert Quinn getting after the QB like he did in LA.  Lack of a pass rush is probably expoisng him here more than it did in LA.

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9 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

A 9-1 team, who is competing for a Super Bowl this year, decided to let him go.

They traded for two additional corners, giving up a 2nd, 4th, and 5th round pick, rather than paying him.

Shouldn't that tell us something?

1. They are all in before they have to pay franchise QB money 

2. Johnson is not an “ all in “ kinda player 

3. Macc will never be the GM of a 9-1 team 

4. Fire Macc

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2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Is there anyone on the bench that can play?  That will play harder?  Until then, this is just a bunch of BS.  Johnson didn't play for weeks and the same issues were very evident. 

This sounds just like the Revis excuse and the answer is yes.  Johsnon is playing a less than jag level and our 5th and 6th Qbs can't be any worse.

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Well also our coaching on D is famously bad for setting players up to not be at their best.

All you heard about johnson was that he was a press corner and bowles needed a press corner.

Then you look at almost every 3rd down play and the Cbs are playing off 12 yards on 3rd and 8.

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16 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

A 9-1 team, who is competing for a Super Bowl this year, decided to let him go.

They traded for two additional corners, giving up a 2nd, 4th, and 5th round pick, rather than paying him.

Shouldn't that tell us something?

Yeah it's a salary cap league and they are gonna have major mouths to feed.

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1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

Well also our coaching on D is famously bad for setting players up to not be at their best.

All you heard about johnson was that he was a press corner and bowles needed a press corner.

Then you look at almost every 3rd down play and the Cbs are playing off 12 yards on 3rd and 8.

Bingo . The ultimate problem with Bowles D , especially when you combine it with the fact their Blitzes never get to the QB

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1 hour ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

LOL another Harbaugh thread. He loves benching people? Flacco was awful for 2 straight years. Never got benched. 

Harbaugh is a special teams coach and has not proven to be QB friendly, yet he is the first choice by many here because they recognize the name and it makes them feel good. 

Hard pass on former special teams coach Harbaugh to be the man responsible for developing Darnold.  

Who was Harbaugh supposed to replace Flacco with? A special teams coach that beat the Patriots is Gillette twice in the playoffs & almost 3 times if his kicker doesn't miss a chip shot. What are you looking for? The perfect coach? He was a Super Bowl with "the good Flacco", by winning a playoff game on the ROAD. We're 2-11 on the road. 

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Just now, Jetster said:

Who was Harbaugh supposed to replace Flacco with? A special teams coach that beat the Patriots is Gillette twice in the playoffs & almost 3 times if his kicker doesn't miss a chip shot. What are you looking for? The perfect coach? He was a Super Bowl with "the good Flacco", by winning a playoff game on the ROAD. We're 2-11 on the road. 

Rex made it to two AFC Championship games and beat the Pats in Gillette. You want him back? 

Name me all of the offensive players that flourished under Harbaugh.... We have Darnold, we don't need an old school/defensive minded/Special teams minded head coach. 

Why not bring in Brian Billick. He won a SB with the Ravens also. 

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47 minutes ago, Lith said:

He also doesn't have guys like Aaron Donald and Robert Quinn getting after the QB like he did in LA.  Lack of a pass rush is probably expoisng him here more than it did in LA.

Also, he wasn't that good.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-free-agents-to-avoid

Not only is he in this article, but it's his ******* picture they chose.

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