Paying the Piper: YEARS of POOR DRAFTING

[Matt39]

7 minutes ago, bitonti said:

this is all true and what most people get is "fixing" the OL doesn't solve it

if a defense chooses to send 5 or 6 it's daring the Qb to find the open man 

Joey Q Fanboy sits there saying "THE OL!!" but there's got to be someone open. Sometimes Sam was finding that player, sometimes he wasn't. 

these threads make it sound like the OL was as bad as the kicker - yes they gave up 4 sacks but  not 10. Guess what Buffalo's line sucks too, probably worse. 

Josh Allen had a strip sack too and he threw a pick 6 the guy was still making plays

half the board doesn't even root for wins anymore the biggest concern yesterday was Darnold didn't take a step forward.

I blame Gase to be honest. This is the offensive genius? Where were these plays coming from? Captain Checkdown all game? No one wants to talk about maybe Gase is terrible, maybe Sam is in a soph slump so all the offensive discussion manifests in hate for the line.

I know people won't believe this but the line isn't half bad. Brady lost his center 2 weeks ago to blood clots and Marcus Cannon to a shoulder during the game and still won by 30.  you don't get 4 seconds to throw in this league. Other teams are going to keep testing Darnold with pressure until he can prove he can beat the pressure

our last USC QB could never prove that, by the way. 

bottom line the game was 17-16 with 2 minute warning and 2 timeouts and Darnold looked lost out there. Clean pocket he was throwing it to no one.  that's the worst part of yesterday's game... after all the talk about kickers and cornerbacks, everyone who bought a 14 jersey is wondering if it was a safe call.

 

This. Could be Gase, or it could be Gase being hamstrung by a QB he doesnt trust yet. Darnold's longest completion in the air yesterday was like an 11 yard out to Anderson. He looked like Tannehill. 

[JustInFudge]

3 minutes ago, Paradis said:

Uhhhh have you heard of Josh Allen? He tried multiple times to gift wrap us the W. 

Don’t get me wrong. Execution was down right pitiful, but I don’t for a second pretend like this roster of mercs is going anywhere significant.  

Oh so their talent level is what kept the Jets in the game when it was 16-0 with 3 minutes left in the 3rd. 

[bitonti]

2 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

This. Could be Gase, or it could be Gase being hamstrung by a QB he doesnt trust yet. Darnold's longest completion in the air yesterday was like an 11 yard out to Anderson. He looked like Tannehill. 

To be clear I don't blame the 22 year old QB. Adam Gase is a so called offensive genius... where is the proof of this statement? 

What play design has Adam Gase ever come up with that shocked and surprised anyone? 

where are these exotic looks? the Jet sweep motion? they were vanilla in preseason, how was yesterday any better? 

far as I can tell Adam Gase's "philosophy" is empty the backfield, flood the field with targets, run one guy underneath (Crowder) and hope the QB makes that play. OR dump it off. 

I mean... Anyone can do that.  

 

[DMan77]

Just now, peebag said:

I was thinking the same win total but that was before I saw how bad the O-Line and secondary were.

I just don't see them winning more that 4 games.

Secondary isn't getting better, but I do think the OL can improve a wee bit. Some of the pressure on Sam were just untouched rushers or guys mixing up blocking assignments... I think that gets better with playing together as a unit... I mean they're not going to break records, but I think it can get better. 

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

Oh so their talent level is what kept the Jets in the game when it was 16-0 with 3 minutes left in the 3rd. 

Remember when people talked about depth being a problem and you laughed at them?

CJ Mosley goes down and the entire defense collapses.  

Wonder how we'll do if Mosley is out next week.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, bitonti said:

To be clear I don't blame the 22 year old QB. Adam Gase is a so called offensive genius... where is the proof of this statement? 

What play design has Adam Gase ever come up with that shocked and surprised anyone? 

where are these exotic looks? the Jet sweep motion? they were vanilla in preseason, how was yesterday any better? 

far as I can tell Adam Gase's "philosophy" is empty the backfield, flood the field with targets, run one guy underneath (Crowder) and hope the QB makes that play. OR dump it off. 

I mean... Anyone can do that.  

 

should have run at least 1 trick play - flea flicker would have baited the defense perfectly.

also thought powell should have played, can get 1st downs and can pass protect.

[JustInFudge]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Remember when people talked about depth being a problem and you laughed at them?

CJ Mosley goes down and the entire defense collapses.  

Wonder how we'll do if Mosley is out next week.

Depth wasn’t a problem at ILB till Williamson got injured but sure, the D collapsed after creating 4 turnovers, scoring 8 points and holding a team to 17 points.  Definitely their fault. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, JiF said:

Depth wasn’t a problem at ILB till Williamson got injured but sure, the D collapsed after creating 4 turnovers, scoring 8 points and holding a team to 17 points.  Definitely their fault. 

When you invest heavily in defense, that's the price you pay; winning and losing falls on them.  

[jgb]

2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Yesterday, we saw a regression.  

Comfort yourself in the consideration that the sample size is small 

[DRJETS]

18 minutes ago, bitonti said:

this is all true and what most people get is "fixing" the OL doesn't solve it

if a defense chooses to send 5 or 6 it's daring the Qb to find the open man 

Joey Q Fanboy sits there saying "THE OL!!" but there's got to be someone open. Sometimes Sam was finding that player, sometimes he wasn't. 

these threads make it sound like the OL was as bad as the kicker - yes they gave up 4 sacks but  not 10. Guess what Buffalo's line sucks too, probably worse. 

Josh Allen had a strip sack too and he threw a pick 6 the guy was still making plays

half the board doesn't even root for wins anymore the biggest concern yesterday was Darnold didn't take a step forward.

I blame Gase to be honest. This is the offensive genius? Where were these plays coming from? Captain Checkdown all game? No one wants to talk about maybe Gase is terrible, maybe Sam is in a soph slump so all the offensive discussion manifests in hate for the line.

I know people won't believe this but the line isn't half bad. Brady lost his center 2 weeks ago to blood clots and Marcus Cannon to a shoulder during the game and still won by 30.  you don't get 4 seconds to throw in this league. Other teams are going to keep testing Darnold with pressure until he can prove he can beat the pressure

our last USC QB could never prove that, by the way. 

bottom line the game was 17-16 with 2 minute warning and 2 timeouts and Darnold looked lost out there. Clean pocket he was throwing it to no one.  that's the worst part of yesterday's game... after all the talk about kickers and cornerbacks, everyone who bought a 14 jersey is wondering if it was a safe call.

 

Did you watched the Pats game?  With all substitution mentioned at OL Brady had literally 10 second to throw the ball. Simply amazing.  I'm fking sure we can find a stud in their PS.  Also they have so much speed at WR Dorset, eldelman, Jacoby, Gordon it is maddening like and that is without AB.  Anyone of them beat our #1 Enunwa.

[JetBlue]

3 hours ago, JiF said:

Do you consider the Bills a significantly more talented team than the Jets? 

On defense? It seems so.  Their pass rush is vastly superior to ours as is their secondary. 

[JustInFudge]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

When you invest heavily in defense, that's the price you pay; winning and losing falls on them.  

Ummm no 

[CanadaSteve]

11 hours ago, Philc1 said:

One word: Vedvik

So, he signs Vedvik and that means we should fire Douglas now because he sucks?

Come on dude!

[SoFlaJets]

 This is the last 3 years of drafting, this team need 3 years to wash away the stench of the past 3 drafts, Douglas and Gase have their work cut out for them

[SoFlaJets]

I just don't understand why they would let a GM who wasn't going to even BE there have anything to DO with the 2019 draft. It just goes back once more to this: The Johnson Family's inability to run a football team, why us guys? Why us? Why is it that OUR team has to have the worst ownership concern in all professional sports?  

[Wonderboy]

On 9/8/2019 at 6:32 PM, Paradis said:

So much misplaced anger I'm seeing..

• "Joe Douglas needs to pay"
• "Sam is soft" 
• "This is all Khalil's fault"

Lol, what nonsense... Guess what - this is what selecting 14 Dlinemen in the last 8 drafts gets you. This is what passing on Centers and Tackles for 3rd round OLBs gets you. This is what paying Quincy to be your starting Z looks like... this is what happens when you don't draft a WR in the 1st since 2001... the list goes on and on and on...  Mercs and band aides. 

Lets recap

• Our in-house Oline consists of an overpaid RG and JAG RT.
• our 2 RBs are paid FAs (got to be a first in NFL history)
• our WR was invisible today, except for the hired help held to catch 5 yard dunks. 
• Despite spending a country's net gross in draft capital on defensive front seven prospect, the only guy who showed up was FA. 
• Our TEs are ballin' 

Meanwhile:

• Week 1 Rookies Hollywood Brown and DK Metcalf are already better than any Jets WRs... but who needs to draft skill players when you can just over pay for FAs

 

You don't draft well, you don't win... End of story. 

26 post of the week - we found our new GM ?

[Wonderboy]

39 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said:

 This is the last 3 years of drafting, this team need 3 years to wash away the stench of the past 3 drafts, Douglas and Gase have their work cut out for them

This list doesn’t even include the crap FA’s we’ve signed. It’s incredible they haven’t picked #1 in the last 4 years of the draft. But there’s still hope we pick #1 ? 

[bitonti]

On 9/9/2019 at 11:11 AM, DRJETS said:

Did you watched the Pats game?  With all substitution mentioned at OL Brady had literally 10 second to throw the ball. Simply amazing.  I'm fking sure we can find a stud in their PS.  Also they have so much speed at WR Dorset, eldelman, Jacoby, Gordon it is maddening like and that is without AB.  Anyone of them beat our #1 Enunwa.

Brady got all day because you can't blitz 12 he finds the open man - they zone up and hope for interior pressure 

when people talk about OL and WR it's a tacit admission the QB isn't playing a franchise level 

Sam Darnold is supposed to elevate these players around him 

all this talk about line and wr is valid but on the other hand.... throw the ball downfield and make a damn play 

 

[Sonny Werblin]

On 9/10/2019 at 8:51 AM, SoFlaJets said:

 This is the last 3 years of drafting, this team need 3 years to wash away the stench of the past 3 drafts, Douglas and Gase have their work cut out for them

In the 2014 through 2017 Drafts the Jets had a total of 11 picks in rounds 2, 3, and 4. They have 2 players on their roster to show for it: Jenkins and Maye. One is a solid, uspectacular OLB. The other is a gifted FS who has yet to prove he can stay healthy. That's it, 2 starters and no back-ups or specialists.

Meanwhile, in that same timespan, Dallas had 13 picks in rounds 2 thorugh 4, and these picks are on the Cowboys now:

Demarcus Lawrence - Starter

Maliek Collins - Starter

Dak Prescott - Starter

Jaylon Smith - Starter

Chidobe Awuzie - Starter

Jourdan Lewis - second string CB with 8 games started

 

Players who started for the Cowboys but are no longer on their roster:

Ryan Switzer - Returner made expendable when the cowboys obtianed Tayvon Austin. He was traded to Oakland who then traded him to Pittsburgh where he is their Return Man and second sctrin WR

Anthony Hitchens - starter who became expendable due to the depth and talent at the position. Now a starter with KC who signed a 5 year $45 milion contract.

Damien Wilson - same as Hitchens but not as accomplished. Is also now a starter in KC

So, 6 out of 13 are on the Cowboys now, and 9 out of 13 are in the NFL making contributions for other teams because due to an abundance of talent they were expendable to the Cowboys.

In review, in rounds 2, 3, and 4 of the 2014 through 2017 drafts the Jets found two current starters and missed entirely on 9 out of 11 picks. While the Cowboys found 5 current starters and missed on only 4 out of 13 picks.

 

Joe Douglas is not in a hole that one digs oneself out of overnight. He will need 3 season just to get the overall talent on the roster up to below average. 

[Paradis]

I feel like this thread needs to be bumped, again... and probably moving forward weekly

 

You folks again and getting too myopic. What do you expect from our team?

• We have one of the least talented WR corps in the NFL -- IOW, no one's getting open
• Our Oline is largely retread burn outs, and over paid jags -- IOW, trevor died
• We've muffed 34 DB picks in the last 10 years -- IOW, Odell scores the longest TD of his career
• We blindly took DT after DT after DT -- IOW the pass rush doesn't exist
• We fcked up the coach search, and had to settle with option #3 that would be otherwise unemployed
• Our best TE since Keller was an idiot

 

Everything comes back to the fact that even an a$$hole from Canada could have drafted better over the past 10 years 

[TheClashFan]

On 9/11/2019 at 3:03 PM, Sonny Werblin said:

Joe Douglas is not in a hole that one digs oneself out of overnight. He will need 3 season just to get the overall talent on the roster up to below average. 

Agreed, and it is bizarre that some who post on JN don't seem to get this.  2-3 season build, minimum, and that's if most goes right with the next 2-3 drafts. I have no idea if JD will turn out to be a good GM or not, but I'm hoping he is.  Some here seem to really want him to fail, for whatever reason (Mac fanboys?).