Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, King P said: "But but Bienemy didn't call the plays!" Well what about Pederson and Nagy ?? All Pederson did was beat the Pats in the SB with Nick Foles at QB. Not bad for a guy whose only job in KC was apparently to fetch Andy Reid donuts and coffee for 3 years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsLife Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Untouchable said: I’m talking about the offensive assistants. The only real success there is Pederson. And maybe I’m in the minority, but I don’t consider Pederson a great HC just because of that Superbowl win a few years ago. Guy coaches in the sh*ttiest division in pro football and still barely eeked his way into the playoffs this year. Who’s the next biggest offensive success who studied under Andy Reid? Marty Mornhinweg? As far as I know, Bieniemy has no playcalling experience outside of two years as the OC at Colorado and has been a career RB’s coach everywhere he’s been prior to 2018. His resume damn near mirrors Freddie Kitchens. If Gase fails and we’re looking for another HC a year from now, then the dickbag Johnson Bros need to open up their collective purses and shoot for the stars. FWIW the Eagles were injury riddled this year. Especially late in the season their offensive skill positions were the walking wounded. That they kept it relatively close vs Seattle last weekend with McCown - not too bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 hours ago, bostonmajet said: We sucked for Sam and got him. We have sucked for DTs and Safeties; maybe now that we got rid of MM, JD can bring in some OL, WR, and CBs and we can just win the damn division. I am tired of sucking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetty Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, King P said: "But but Bienemy didn't call the plays!" Well what about Pederson and Nagy ?? Seems like some Jets fan have black coach PTSD lol. I think Bienemy will be a good coach. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 52 minutes ago, Young Jetty said: Seems like some Jets fan have black coach PTSD lol. It's kind of disgusting. I mean think back to how many people here called Bowles a Cigar Store Indian like that was anything close to acceptable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 F it.....sign me up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: It's kind of disgusting. I mean think back to how many people here called Bowles a Cigar Store Indian like that was anything close to acceptable. Yup! WTF cares about the dumb s*** he did 20 years ago....let’s compare rap sheets with some of the most recent hires....funny how some of these events are dug up for some coaches and not others! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 hours ago, jeremy2020 said: I'm not advocating for him, but coordinators under Reid have been very successful vs. coordinator under other coaches. There have been 5 coordinators who went on to be head coaches: John Harbaugh, Sean McDermott, Doug Pederson, Matt Nagy, and Brad Childress. Their record as head coaches: 240-170 5.85% and they've made the playoffs 62% of the time. They are 15-13 in the playoffs and 2 of them have won Super Bowls. Include Todd Bowles in this list and those numbers are far less inspiring. He was one of Reid's DCs in Philly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Include Todd Bowles in this list and those numbers are far less inspiring. He was one of Reid's DCs in Philly. Oh wow that changes everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said: Leslie Fraizer Todd Bowles Spags Shurmer Nagy Childress Yeah. I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I think Pederson is a better coach than Reid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Leslie Fraizer Todd Bowles Spags Shurmer Nagy Childress Yeah. I'll pass. Well then you're gonna have to pass on about 98+ % of potential coaches in the league based on your standards. The only coaching tree in the NFL stronger than Reid's is Bill Parcell's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Oh wow that changes everything I mean I was a Bienemy guy last year, but I'd be lying to myself if I said that promoting a guy who has the same responsibilities as Dowell Loggains to Head Coach, from a tree that has far more fools gold on it than success, doesn't scare the sh*t outta me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mogglez said: I mean I was a Bienemy guy last year, but I'd be lying to myself if I said that promoting a guy who has the same responsibilities as Dowell Loggains to Head Coach, from a tree that has far more fools gold on it than success, doesn't scare the sh*t outta me. You have no insight into what Bieniemy's responsibilities are. And as I said above, no coaching tree in the NFL outside of Parcells' is stronger than Reid's. There's a lot of "fool's gold" in the NFL. There are few safer bets than a coach on the Reid tree. 67 % of his assistants who went on to be HC's have made the playoffs. Find me a better rate than from a long-time HC's tree (outside of Parcells) and I'll shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Well then you're gonna have to pass on about 95+ % of potential coaches in the league based on your standards. The only coaching tree in the NFL stronger than Reid's is Bill Parcell's. Honestly, I'm not a big believer in hiring from trees in general. Just hire the best guy, regardless of where he came from. Getting infatuated with hiring from trees is dangerous, especially when your talking about coaches that don't hold any real responsibilities because the guy they're under won't relinquish that control. A year later with defenses adjusting to his offense and Nagy is under fire for being a horrendous play caller. That would scare me if I were to look at Bienemy as a candidate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Honestly, I'm not a big believer in hiring from trees in general. Just about every OC/DC is on a major HC's tree somewhere. It's unavoidable. They all learned their philosophy from somebody. Bieniemy is seemingly being groomed by Reid the same way Pederson was. That's a candidate worth paying attention to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: You have no insight into what Bieniemy's responsibilities are. And as I said above, no coaching tree in the NFL outside of Parcells' is stronger than Reid's. There's a lot of "fool's gold" in the NFL. There are few safer bets than a coach on the Reid tree. 67 % of his assistants who went on to be HC's have made the playoffs. Find me a better rate than from a long-time HC's tree (outside of Parcells) and I'll shut up. From all the articles I've read about him, dating back to last year, he is responsible for play design, run game coordination, and gameplans, but not gameday playcalling. That's Reid's job i.e. Loggains, Nagy, and John DeFillipo. Could he be a great candidate? Yeah. Do I think it's worth the risk, considering, in this hypothetical, Darnold would be in a critical time in his development? I don't know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mogglez said: From all the articles I've read about him, dating back to last year, he is responsible for play design, run game coordination, and gameplans, but not gameday playcalling. Of the list of duties you just reeled off, the actual play-calling is probably the least important. By the time you get to gameday, the hay is already in the barn. Even gameflow scenarios are taken into account by then. If my choice is the big picture CEO type and the genius playcaller, I'll take the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: 67 % of his assistants who went on to be HC's have made the playoffs. Find me a better rate than from a long-time HC's tree (outside of Parcells) and I'll shut up. Walsh Mostly I just want you to shut up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Just about every OC/DC is on a major HC's tree somewhere. It's unavoidable. They all learned their philosophy from somebody. Bieniemy is seemingly being groomed by Reid the same way Pederson was. That's a candidate worth paying attention to. Agreed, but when paying attention to it I just think it's also important to focus on the Nagys, Shurmers, and Childress guys too, especially because they come from a side of the ball that Reid doesn't really relinquish control to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, CTM said: Walsh Good call. Reid comes from the Walsh/WCO tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Of the list of duties you just reeled off, the actual play-calling is probably the least important. By the time you get to gameday, the hay is already in the barn. Even gameflow scenarios are taken into account by then. If my choice is the big picture CEO type and the genius playcaller, I'll take the former. I can agree there. The question to ask Bienemy would be whether or not he wants to be a CEO or genius playcaller. Pederson delegates, Nagy does not. I think that's where you can point out the critical differences in their success so far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mogglez said: I can agree there. The question to ask Bienemy would be whether or not he wants to be a CEO or genius playcaller. Pederson delegates, Nagy does not. I think that's where you can point out the critical differences in their success so far. Yeah. We don't know for sure that Bieniemy is good enough of a CEO type but he certainly seems to be putting in the work to become one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Good call. Reid comes from the Walsh/WCO tree. No kidding, so shut up already. Ya'll arguing about who we should hire next year when we have a coach who closed 6-2 and has his bff as GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, CTM said: No kidding, so shut up already. Ya'll arguing about who we should hire next year when we have a coach who closed 6-2 and has his bff as GM Totes, lets start another Darnold thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Slick Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 5 hours ago, jetstream23 said: I like Bieniemy and think he deserves an opportunity. But some teams are absolutely put off about his past and the idea of making him the guy in charge and the face of the franchise. I've heard this more than once from more than one respected NFL insider/analyst. This guy would fit right in with the cheats* after Belicheat and Cindy sneak out of town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Untouchable said: I wouldn’t take any of Reid’s assistants. It’s obvious that he runs the whole show on offense. When was the last time you saw Andy Reid on the sideline without a playcall sheet in his hand? You’d have to go back to his days on Holmgren’s staff in Green Bay. Reid's Coaching tree. Pat Shurmur, Giants (fired) 9-23 (.281) Todd Bowles, Jets (fired) 26–41 (.388) John Harbaugh, Ravens 128–81 (.612) Super Bowl Sean McDermott, Bills 25–25 (.500) Ron Rivera, Washington 79–67–1 (.541) Super Bowl Appearance Steve Wilks, Cardinals (via Rivera, fired by Cardinals) 3–13 (.188) Doug Pederson, Eagles 42–28 (.600) Super Bowl Frank Reich, Colts (via Pederson) 18–16 (.529) Matt Nagy, Bears 20–13 (.606) Coaching tree stats Combined record: 350-307-1 Playoff appearances: 19 Super Bowl titles: 2 Super Bowl Appearances: 3 This isnt bad at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, Big_Slick said: This guy would fit right in with the cheats* after Belicheat and Cindy sneak out of town. FFS what is it with the obsession with Bieniemy's traffic violations 20+ years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 hours ago, IndianaJet said: If Gase doesn’t improve next year, he’s our guy. 2017 was Suck for Sam 2020 will be Blow for Bieniemy. The Gase has to go threads are now a daily thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 8 hours ago, IndianaJet said: If Gase doesn’t improve next year, he’s our guy. 2017 was Suck for Sam 2020 will be Blow for Bieniemy. Not just no but Hell No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: Reid's Coaching tree. Pat Shurmur, Giants (fired) 9-23 (.281) Todd Bowles, Jets (fired) 26–41 (.388) John Harbaugh, Ravens 128–81 (.612) Super Bowl Sean McDermott, Bills 25–25 (.500) Ron Rivera, Washington 79–67–1 (.541) Super Bowl Appearance Steve Wilks, Cardinals (via Rivera, fired by Cardinals) 3–13 (.188) Doug Pederson, Eagles 42–28 (.600) Super Bowl Frank Reich, Colts (via Pederson) 18–16 (.529) Matt Nagy, Bears 20–13 (.606) Coaching tree stats Combined record: 350-307-1 Playoff appearances: 19 Super Bowl titles: 2 Super Bowl Appearances: 3 This isnt bad at all. When you factor in DC’s and ST coaches, sure. When you look at the guys who came from his offensive staff, it’s not nearly as impressive. Then it gets whittled down to guys like Doug Pederson, Matt Nagy and Marty Mornhinweg as the biggest successes. And the luster has quickly worn off a guy like Nagy. And Marty was a sh*t HC and mediocre at best OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 42 minutes ago, Untouchable said: When you factor in DC’s and ST coaches, sure. When you look at the guys who came from his offensive staff, it’s not nearly as impressive. Then it gets whittled down to guys like Doug Pederson, Matt Nagy and Marty Mornhinweg as the biggest successes. And the luster has quickly worn off a guy like Nagy. And Marty was a sh*t HC and mediocre at best OC. Now that's Cherry picking, dont you think? You originally said that you wouldnt take "any" of his assistants. 8 hours ago, Untouchable said: I wouldn’t take any of Reid’s assistants. It’s obvious that he runs the whole show on offense. When was the last time you saw Andy Reid on the sideline without a playcall sheet in his hand? You’d have to go back to his days on Holmgren’s staff in Green Bay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 hours ago, IndianaJet said: If Gase doesn’t improve next year, he’s our guy. 2017 was Suck for Sam 2020 will be Blow for Bieniemy. Prefer Harbaugh after he leaves Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: The Gase has to go threads are now a daily thing. Because he sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: Now that's Cherry picking, dont you think? You originally said that you wouldnt take "any" of his assistants. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was talking about offensive assistants under Reid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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