Will you be upset if the Jets draft Isaiah Simmons at 11?

[naturalscience]

5 hours ago, CanadaSteve said:

If only he was that good.

I think isolation is starting to get to some people.

If Joe Douglas has tipped his hand at all, there is no scenario, none, where we take a pass-covering LB specialist.  Like none.

If the top 4 OT's are gone, Douglas either trades down a bit and then takes a guy like Josh Jones or Austin Jackson, or he pulls the trigger on one of the top WR's. 

We are not taking a LB not known as a pass-rushing specialist, as our first pick.  There is zero chance.

Can I emphasis ZERO CHANCE any more?

True story

[naturalscience]

3 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Simmons hasn’t had more than 1.5 sacks in a college season other than his senior year where he had 7

Simmons is going to be a 100+ tackle ILB/MLB guy. I don’t see where he becomes Von Miller

True story

[RobR]

8 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

There were times where he got run over, but for the most part he held the edge very well for his size.  And if you ran at Banks he'd run down your back like cheetah. 

LT was the greatest defender I've ever seen and to hear someone call him lacking is a bit puzzling. 

I'm not denying his greatness but it's no secret that his game was based solely off of rushing the passer. No one, and I mean absolutely no one talks about how good LT was dropping in coverage or stopping the run because he wasn't. The only reason we are even talking about him is because jetblue compared him to Simmons, which is completely wrong because they are nothing alike.

And Reggie White was much better than LT. Not even close because he had no holes in his game and was beyond freakish. People keep posting that one play from Kris Jenkins blowing up the center but Reggie White did that with regularity. 

[RobR]

7 minutes ago, Bronxville Jets Fan said:

 Even though he’s a defensive player, he still would fill a big need as an outside pass rusher.

Except the fact he's not an outside passrusher.

[FidelioJet]

Upset, absolutely furious.  Shocked, not even a little.

[JetBlue]

20 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

There were times where he got run over, but for the most part he held the edge very well for his size.  And if you ran at Banks he'd run down your back like cheetah. 

LT was the greatest defender I've ever seen and to hear someone call him lacking is a bit puzzling. 

He has no idea what he is talking about.   some people will say anything to try and back up their argument.   

[JetBlue]

5 minutes ago, RobR said:

I'm not denying his greatness but it's no secret that his game was based solely off of rushing the passer. No one, and I mean absolutely no one talks about how good LT was dropping in coverage or stopping the run because he wasn't. The only reason we are even talking about him is because jetblue compared him to Simmons, which is completely wrong because they are nothing alike.

And Reggie White was much better than LT. Not even close because he had no holes in his game and was beyond freakish. People keep posting that one play from Kris Jenkins blowing up the center but Reggie White did that with regularity. 

Seriously dude now you are just embarrassing yourself. 

[RobR]

Just now, JetBlue said:

He has no idea what he is talking about.   some people will say anything to try and back up their argument.   

Kind of like you comparing Simmons to LT. 

[RobR]

5 minutes ago, JetBlue said:

Seriously dude now you are just embarrassing yourself. 

Here is their career stats. Now who is embarrassing themselves even further? Not too mention Reggie White played Dline.

LT: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylLa00.htm

RW: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WhitRe00.htm

Like I said.....it's not even close.

[JetBlue]

1 minute ago, RobR said:

Kind of like you comparing Simmons to LT. 

I compared overall abilities and being a game changing talent.  For you to say Reggie White is better than LT AND IT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE, is something you really should not post on a football message board.  It makes you lose whatever credibility you might have had.  It is okay to say that you made a mistake, just like Manned up and said that LT wasn't the best example to use.  I made a poor comparison because most folks only see LT from his pass rushing prowess and not his total dominant play across the board.    Now hopefully you can admit that saying that Reggie White is better than LT and IT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE,  is complete horsesh*t. 

[JetBlue]

3 minutes ago, RobR said:

Here is their career stats. Now who is embarrassing themselves even further? Not too mention Reggie White played Dline.

LT: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylLa00.htm

RW: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WhitRe00.htm

Like I said.....it's not even close.

One was a DT/E the other a Linebacker.   Please stop already

[JetBlue]

11 minutes ago, RobR said:

Here is their career stats. Now who is embarrassing themselves even further? Not too mention Reggie White played Dline.

LT: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylLa00.htm

RW: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WhitRe00.htm

Like I said.....it's not even close.

https://thegruelingtruth.com/football/nfl/the-top-20-defensive-players-in-nfl-history/

Pay attention to who is listed as number 1

 

[RobR]

2 minutes ago, JetBlue said:

One was a DT/E the other a Linebacker.   Please stop already

That validates my point even more, but carry on.

[RobR]

Just now, JetBlue said:

https://thegruelingtruth.com/football/nfl/the-top-20-defensive-players-in-nfl-history/

Pay attention to who is listed as number 1

If the gruelingtruth says it, then it must be true. 

The gruelingtruth is that you have no idea how too evaluate players or make even the simplest comparison, which you already admitted earlier. You still can't answer the two questions I asked because you don't have the answer....because it doesn't exist. In case you forgot.

Show me a passrusher in the NFL that weighs less than 240lbs.? I'll even give you a 15 year sample size.

Show me any RB that was even halfway decent that weighed less than 170lbs. I'll give you the same 15 year sample size.

[PepPep]

I would not like it if we drafted him. Maybe trade down with someone who really needs him. 

[JetBlue]

5 minutes ago, RobR said:

If the gruelingtruth says it, then it must be true. 

The gruelingtruth is that you have no idea how too evaluate players or make even the simplest comparison, which you already admitted earlier. You still can't answer the two questions I asked because you don't have the answer....because it doesn't exist. In case you forgot.

Show me a passrusher in the NFL that weighs less than 240lbs.? I'll even give you a 15 year sample size.

Show me any RB that was even halfway decent that weighed less than 170lbs. I'll give you the same 15 year sample size.

I responded already in that thread. No need to post it here.   You don't have to take their word for it.  Most knowledgeable fans know his is the conversation.  I don't know anyone who would say he not even close to Reggie White as a player.  

[Bruce Harper]

He’s obviously one of the best players in the draft and he and Adams could lead the defense for years to come.
It may not be the best move for the 2020 Jets, but could be the best move for the next 5 years
If he falls to 11 and the Jets draft him would you be upset? I think if he does fall to 11 that would mean the top 4 OTs are off the board:
Top 10 scenario
4 OTs
3 QBs
2 OSU defenders (Chase Young and the CB)
1 Lamb/Jeudy/Ruggs or the Auburn/South Carolina dlineman 
 

 

That would be horrible.


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[JetBlue]

12 minutes ago, RobR said:

That validates my point even more, but carry on.

If you say so.  I think you may be the only person on earth who thinks it isn't even close between White and LT.  One guy revolutionized his position, dominated the game defensively like no player before him and made the sack a significant statistic.   One could argue the relative merits of Reggie White vs. LT but once you say it wasn't even close.... well there really isn't any reason to continue discussing this.  Lets just agree to disagree.  

[Philc1]

1. Simmons isn’t falling to 11

2. Even if he did the jets aren’t drafting him

3. yes he can play several positions and is versatile but he’s a 100-120 tackle per year MLB type that’s his game in the NFL.  

[RobR]

Just now, JetBlue said:

I responded already in that thread. No need to post it here.   You don't have to take their word for it.  Most knowledgeable fans know his is the conversation.  I don't know anyone who would say he not even close to Reggie White as a player.  

As I thought. More BS since you never responded and can't answer either question. You seem to base all of your evaluations after you watched some latest highlight reel. Dylan Donahue has a highlight reel.....just saying.

Then I post facts and you ignore them. When you answer the two basic questions I'll respond in the future. 

[Philc1]

Watch the tape of Simmons’ sacks last season they are all on well designed blitz plays he wasn’t rushing from the edge like a DE/OLB

[Jimmy 2 Times]

43 minutes ago, JetBlue said:

He has no idea what he is talking about.   some people will say anything to try and back up their argument.   

I disagreed with his assessment that LT was one dimensional.  

However I completely agree with him that Simmons is nothing like LT. 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

50 minutes ago, RobR said:

I'm not denying his greatness but it's no secret that his game was based solely off of rushing the passer. No one, and I mean absolutely no one talks about how good LT was dropping in coverage or stopping the run because he wasn't. The only reason we are even talking about him is because jetblue compared him to Simmons, which is completely wrong because they are nothing alike.

And Reggie White was much better than LT. Not even close because he had no holes in his game and was beyond freakish. People keep posting that one play from Kris Jenkins blowing up the center but Reggie White did that with regularity. 

I understand your argument for White over LT.  He too was a once in a lifetime player. 

 

LT was a very good run defender, but there were a few games where teams ran at him by pulling guards and throwing fullbacks and tight ends at him.  It's not like the Tackle was just over powering him on the edge.  Teams had to commit multiple players to it.   

 

I disagree that it was a weakness and few teams had success doing it.  

[JetBlue]

9 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

I disagreed with his assessment that LT was one dimensional.  

However I completely agree with him that Simmons is nothing like LT. 

Fair enough. 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

1 minute ago, JetBlue said:

Fair enough. 

I think Simmons is going to be a beast.

He's more of a Brian Urlacher /Derrick Brooks type of player though that will blow up run games and grab a few picks every year. 

We're already paying 17 million dollars a year for CJ to do that. 

[JetBlue]

24 minutes ago, RobR said:

As I thought. More BS since you never responded and can't answer either question. You seem to base all of your evaluations after you watched some latest highlight reel. Dylan Donahue has a highlight reel.....just saying.

Then I post facts and you ignore them. When you answer the two basic questions I'll respond in the future. 

Check thread you posted in.  I would rather not hijack this thread. Again if you really think it is'n't close between LT and White what else is there to talk about?   I already conceded the point on LT and Simmons.  You are very rude individual, another internet tough guy.  No need to respond to anything I post in the future.  Trust me it is not that serious. 

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

1 hour ago, RobR said:

Except the fact he's not an outside passrusher.

He can do everything.

[Jet Life]

Would be an awful pick 

[RobR]

26 minutes ago, Bronxville Jets Fan said:

He can do everything.

Then why wasn't he an outside passrusher?

[jetstream23]

Simmons is a pocketknife type player.....SS, OLB, ILB, FS, etc..... Heres the one thing I'd say - If Simmons is there at #11 and there's no reasonable trade down opportunity then I'd take him and, although not my preferred option, would look to trade Jamal Adams to get a 1st and 3rd/4th.  Within one year Simmons would be the captain and leader of the D...a similar player to Adams who can do a little bit of everything.

[Philc1]

38 minutes ago, Bronxville Jets Fan said:

He can do everything.

Can he play Left Tackle or Wide Receiver?

[Beerfish]

54 minutes ago, Bronxville Jets Fan said:

He can do everything.

So you are going to draft him so we can trade jamal right?  Because adams fills that spot right now.

There is ZERO room for a Jamal Adams and another guy who is mr hybrid.

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

37 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Can he play Left Tackle or Wide Receiver?

Brilliant.

[Bronxville Jets Fan]

23 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

So you are going to draft him so we can trade jamal right?  Because adams fills that spot right now.

There is ZERO room for a Jamal Adams and another guy who is mr hybrid.

So Jamal Adams and Isiah Simmons can’t play on the same defense?  Got it.

[Jetsfan80]

38 minutes ago, Bronxville Jets Fan said:

So Jamal Adams and Isiah Simmons can’t play on the same defense?  Got it.

Not when our LT is George Fant, our RT is Chuma Edoga and our WR1a/1b are Jamison Crowder and Breshad Perriman.  The only defensive player we should take at 11 are Chase Young or Jeff Okudah.  End of list.

If our pick comes up and Simmons is truly the BPA.....trade down and take the top OT or WR on our board.  Or reach a little for the top OT or WR.  It won't be a major reach.  

9 out of the last 10 years.  That's how many times the "best defensive player" has "fallen into our laps".  Please end the cycle.