Philc1 Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 12 hours ago, slats said: Bell is not a run it down your throat kinda runner though, is he? Gase prefers the one-cut style of Gore and probably Perine, too. I'd expect to see a lot of committee work in the backfield. Thomas Jones was never really a bell cow guy yet once we had an upgraded OL in 2008 he went nuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 11 hours ago, nico002 said: yea lets run on 1-2 down so we can set Sam up on 3rd in long and let the defense pin their ears back... The key to this season is good OL play both in the run and pass game A creative offensive scheme that keeps defenses on their toes is what we need As opposed to throwing it on 1st and 2nd down so Sam has to deal with a casino blitz on 3rd and 10 #theGaseway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Philc1 said: As opposed to throwing it on 1st and 2nd down so Sam has to deal with a casino blitz on 3rd and 10 #theGaseway Hmmm no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 5 hours ago, jetstream23 said: In my opinion, it's more about play-action and the threat of the run. Get those Safeties to cheat up in order to stop Bell in the running game and then complete 15+ yard passes to Perriman, Herndon, Mims as they're streaking down the field. You set up play action by having an effective running game This team’s identity needs to be ground and pound. We only have the biggest O-line in the league with Bell and Gore in the backfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 14 hours ago, Philc1 said: The only way the jets have a good season (9 or more wins). Is if Bell gets 25+ carries per game and is effective This new OL we have their strong suit is run blocking. The pass blocking again will be shaky tho not as much as last year. no more committee bs or Gase trying to prove how smart he is just run the ball down everyone’s throats. Where did you get this nonsense? First, the OL that we brought in and likely to start are ALL better at pass blocking than run blocking Like every single one of them. They were brought in to protect Sam throwing. The Jets will be a pass to open up the run type of team. They will not be a ground and pound team in any way and Bell will not sniff 25 yards a carry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 Perine looks legit. Bell is going to bounce back. Becton is beast in run blocking, ahem bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WowOhWow Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 10:19 AM, bitonti said: by the way the last SB was a referendum on Running the ball vs Passing the ball the KC chiefs were down by 13 in the 4th quarter and ended up running the Niners off the field it's a passing league we all know it threads like this exist to take pressure off 14 the most overrated Jets player since Sanchez if Darnold was holding out for more money I'd say start the Captain Morgan era for all the years i've been visiting this board (a very long time) i've valued your opinion on the jets greatly. i might go as far as to say that i think your takes on the jets have been dead on. i couldn't disagree more with you on darnold. i'm a believer in him continuing to develop into a top 10 qb. i can go on and on about the team he's had around him and the coaching he's been exposed to...both of which are literally bottom of the league (as in last). this team has many issues. qb is not one of them. he's not a finished product yet, and is not a phenom, but he is literally the least of my worries. i believe in jd, and think he'll build a team around our qb that will work. it wont be this year, and hopefully it wont be with gase. my two cents. as said, have always valued your opinion and am very surprised this is your view on darnold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 7:49 PM, bitonti said: by the way the last SB was a referendum on Running the ball vs Passing the ball the KC chiefs were down by 13 in the 4th quarter and ended up running the Niners off the field it's a passing league we all know it threads like this exist to take pressure off 14 the most overrated Jets player since Sanchez if Darnold was holding out for more money I'd say start the Captain Morgan era Not the best example, as the Chiefs had the best QB in the league. Mahomes is good enough to render most opposing strategies irrelevant. Darnold would look a different QB if he played behind san fran o-line with Shanahan as OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 11 hours ago, Philc1 said: Perine looks legit. Bell is going to bounce back. Becton is beast in run blocking, ahem bump Bumping this post up because of one broken play, a run, in practice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 47 minutes ago, predator_05 said: Not the best example, as the Chiefs had the best QB in the league. Mahomes is good enough to render most opposing strategies irrelevant. Darnold would look a different QB if he played behind san fran o-line with Shanahan as OC. Add in that if SF ran the ball instead of stopping the clock with incomplete passes, they make it a whole lot harder if not impossible for KC to come back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 JD did not pick darnoldJD did not pick gaseThe team is one or two season away from giving 14 a 20 mil per year extension, or moving on Keep these simple truths in mind while watching this 4 win season for all the years i've been visiting this board (a very long time) i've valued your opinion on the jets greatly. i might go as far as to say that i think your takes on the jets have been dead on. i couldn't disagree more with you on darnold. i'm a believer in him continuing to develop into a top 10 qb. i can go on and on about the team he's had around him and the coaching he's been exposed to...both of which are literally bottom of the league (as in last). this team has many issues. qb is not one of them. he's not a finished product yet, and is not a phenom, but he is literally the least of my worries. i believe in jd, and think he'll build a team around our qb that will work. it wont be this year, and hopefully it wont be with gase. my two cents. as said, have always valued your opinion and am very surprised this is your view on darnold Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 9:02 AM, Philc1 said: The only way the jets have a good season (9 or more wins). Is if Bell gets 25+ carries per game and is effective This new OL we have their strong suit is run blocking. The pass blocking again will be shaky tho not as much as last year. no more committee bs or Gase trying to prove how smart he is just run the ball down everyone’s throats. If we are a better run blocking team sure...if its 3rd and short sure...if we're a better pass blocking team nah...if its 3rd and long nah. Thats how football works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 They need darnold to play like a real qbNot go back to the wishbone to protect the qb Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 4 hours ago, predator_05 said: Not the best example, as the Chiefs had the best QB in the league. Mahomes is good enough to render most opposing strategies irrelevant. Darnold would look a different QB if he played behind san fran o-line with Shanahan as OC. I think as far as run blocking goes our OL has a chance to be elite. The reports are that Becton is mauling people as a run blocker. Fant was a good run blocker in Seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, TNJet said: If we are a better run blocking team sure...if its 3rd and short sure...if we're a better pass blocking team nah...if its 3rd and long nah. Thats how football works. I’m just saying go run heavy on 1st and 2nd down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Philc1 said: I’m just saying go run heavy on 1st and 2nd down If we have the run blockers... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Philc1 said: I think as far as run blocking goes our OL has a chance to be elite. The reports are that Becton is mauling people as a run blocker. Fant was a good run blocker in Seattle True, but they need opportunities to play together. Reps are in short supply during this unusual off-season. The 'team-work' won't be where it needs to be. I always thought the best way to run the ball is by making defenses respect the passing game. If they're scared of your QB, running the ball is easy - with or without a quality o-line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 7:27 AM, Grandy said: When utilized correctly Bell is a monster. When he OL is top 10, Bell is a monster. When his OL is avg/below avg, SO is Bell. Go look at eash season and see where his runblocking OL was ranked... then look at his yards per.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 10:19 AM, bitonti said: by the way the last SB was a referendum on Running the ball vs Passing the ball the KC chiefs were down by 13 in the 4th quarter and ended up running the Niners off the field it's a passing league we all know it threads like this exist to take pressure off 14 the most overrated Jets player since Sanchez if Darnold was holding out for more money I'd say start the Captain Morgan era I’ll drink to that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Losmeister said: When he OL is top 10, Bell is a monster. When his OL is avg/below avg, SO is Bell. Go look at eash season and see where his runblocking OL was ranked... then look at his yards per.... It's almost like RB isn't a position worth investing $13M+ per year on, based on its dependence on 5 other guys to do their jobs effectively. Weird how that works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 It’s about balance, always about balance. It’s hard to accomplish one without the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 You need to be able to pass the ball to score enough points in this league to beat good teams on a consistent basis. I want a running game to open up play action, pick up first downs/touchdown in short yardage, and to help run out the clock while protecting a late lead. But more often than not it is the passing game that sets up that late lead. And also is needed to comeback if you fall behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 6/30/2020 at 2:24 PM, ageingjetfan said: In my opinion I want about a fifteen carry average rushing and a minimum of five balls received from Bell. This to me means that we run enough for play action. having play action helps the inexperience of the line getting an extra second or two in passing. we will need it. we are raw, for the most part inexperienced and new to each other up front. We will also need to out formation defenses some and use some motion to help Sam and the line make calls. Perrine also will get five to 8 run touches in my opinion. Up big numbers slide up, down big the reverse but I tend to think these type averages means we have a good offense. Thats basically what Bell got last year... which is fine by me... Gore/Perine split another 10 carries... 25 carries per game...mayeb 35 passes.... both can rise slightly if we get more FD we had a measly 61 rushing first downs last year... that needs to improve drastically.... On 6/30/2020 at 2:41 PM, slats said: Gore's signing cuts into Perinhe's potential workload, but I expect him to pick up more work as the season moves forward. Wouldn't be surprising to see some two back sets. Jets have a nice committee right now in that each guy can do everything: run, catch, and block. You can send Bell down the middle deep and keep Perine or Gore back in to block from that formation. A lot of options. The improvements to the OL should translate into improvements in the running game. Becton's gonna have a learning curve, but I think the Jets will be pretty good to run behind him from day one. this is my prayer.,.. andthat we get some CHUNKS I'll go game by game..last year our .longest fun wk1 12 yds Bell wk2 15yds Mont wk3 8yds Bell wk4 bye wk 5 19yd V Smith wk 6 13 Bell wk 7 19 Bell wk 8 13 V Smith wk9 14 Bell wk10 24 Darnold wk11 17 Powell wk12 12 Bell wk13 7 Bell/Mont/Bell wk14 11 Powell wk15 15 Bell wk 16 11Bell wk17 20 V Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Lith said: pick up first downs/touchdown in short yardage, even 2009-10 once we played GOOD teams... we were not as good as I would have liked in that area... Pittsburgh goal to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 I don’t care how they get it in the end zone, just get there 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Philc1 said: I’m just saying go run heavy on 1st and 2nd down I do know we will be able to run behind a #77 and it makes me giddy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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