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12 hours ago, slats said:

Bell is not a run it down your throat kinda runner though, is he? Gase prefers the one-cut style of Gore and probably Perine, too. I'd expect to see a lot of committee work in the backfield. 

Thomas Jones was never really a bell cow guy yet once we had an upgraded OL in 2008 he went nuts

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11 hours ago, nico002 said:

yea lets run on 1-2 down so we can set Sam up on 3rd in long and let the defense pin their ears back...

The key to this season is good OL play both in the run and pass game

A creative offensive scheme that keeps defenses on their toes is what we need

As opposed to throwing it on 1st and 2nd down so Sam has to deal with a casino blitz on 3rd and 10

 

 

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5 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

In my opinion, it's more about play-action and the threat of the run.  Get those Safeties to cheat up in order to stop Bell in the running game and then complete 15+ yard passes to Perriman, Herndon, Mims as they're streaking down the field. 

You set up play action by having an effective running game

 

This team’s identity needs to be ground and pound.  We only have the biggest O-line in the league with Bell and Gore in the backfield 

 

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14 hours ago, Philc1 said:

The only way the jets have a good season (9 or more wins).  Is if Bell gets 25+ carries per game and is effective

 

This new OL we have their strong suit is run blocking.  The pass blocking again will be shaky tho not as much as last year.  
 

no more committee bs or Gase trying to prove how smart he is just run the ball down everyone’s throats. 

Where did you get this nonsense?

First, the OL that we brought in and likely to start are ALL better at pass blocking than run blocking

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Like every single one of them.

They were brought in to protect Sam throwing. The Jets will be a pass to open up the run type of team. They will not be a ground and pound team in any way and Bell will not sniff 25 yards a carry.

 

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On 6/30/2020 at 10:19 AM, bitonti said:

by the way the last SB was a referendum on Running the ball vs Passing the ball the KC chiefs were down by 13 in the 4th quarter and ended up running the Niners off the field

it's a passing league 

we all know it 

threads like this exist to take pressure off 14

the most overrated Jets player since Sanchez 

if Darnold was holding out for more money I'd say start the Captain Morgan era 

 

for all the years i've been visiting this board (a very long time) i've valued your opinion on the jets greatly.  i might go as far as to say that i think your takes on the jets have been dead on.  i couldn't disagree more with you on darnold.  i'm a believer in him continuing to develop into a top 10 qb.  i can go on and on about the team he's had around him and the coaching he's been exposed to...both of which are literally bottom of the league (as in last).  

this team has many issues.  qb is not one of them.  he's not a finished product yet, and is not a phenom, but he is literally the least of my worries.  

i believe in jd, and think he'll build a team around our qb that will work.  it wont be this year, and hopefully it wont be with gase.

my two cents.  as said, have always valued your opinion and am very surprised this is your view on darnold

 

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On 6/30/2020 at 7:49 PM, bitonti said:

by the way the last SB was a referendum on Running the ball vs Passing the ball the KC chiefs were down by 13 in the 4th quarter and ended up running the Niners off the field

it's a passing league 

we all know it 

threads like this exist to take pressure off 14

the most overrated Jets player since Sanchez 

if Darnold was holding out for more money I'd say start the Captain Morgan era 

 

Not the best example, as the Chiefs had the best QB in the league. Mahomes is good enough to render most opposing strategies irrelevant. 

 

Darnold would look a different QB if he played behind san fran o-line with Shanahan as OC. 

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47 minutes ago, predator_05 said:

Not the best example, as the Chiefs had the best QB in the league. Mahomes is good enough to render most opposing strategies irrelevant. 

 

Darnold would look a different QB if he played behind san fran o-line with Shanahan as OC. 

Add in that if SF ran the ball instead of stopping the clock with incomplete passes, they make it a whole lot harder if not impossible for KC to come back

 

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JD did not pick darnold

JD did not pick gase

The team is one or two season away from giving 14 a 20 mil per year extension, or moving on

 

Keep these simple truths in mind while watching this 4 win season

 

for all the years i've been visiting this board (a very long time) i've valued your opinion on the jets greatly.  i might go as far as to say that i think your takes on the jets have been dead on.  i couldn't disagree more with you on darnold.  i'm a believer in him continuing to develop into a top 10 qb.  i can go on and on about the team he's had around him and the coaching he's been exposed to...both of which are literally bottom of the league (as in last).  

this team has many issues.  qb is not one of them.  he's not a finished product yet, and is not a phenom, but he is literally the least of my worries.  

i believe in jd, and think he'll build a team around our qb that will work.  it wont be this year, and hopefully it wont be with gase.

my two cents.  as said, have always valued your opinion and am very surprised this is your view on darnold

 

 

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On 6/30/2020 at 9:02 AM, Philc1 said:

The only way the jets have a good season (9 or more wins).  Is if Bell gets 25+ carries per game and is effective

 

This new OL we have their strong suit is run blocking.  The pass blocking again will be shaky tho not as much as last year.  
 

no more committee bs or Gase trying to prove how smart he is just run the ball down everyone’s throats. 

If we are a better run blocking team sure...if its 3rd and short sure...if we're a better pass blocking team nah...if its 3rd and long nah. Thats how football works.

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4 hours ago, predator_05 said:

Not the best example, as the Chiefs had the best QB in the league. Mahomes is good enough to render most opposing strategies irrelevant. 

 

Darnold would look a different QB if he played behind san fran o-line with Shanahan as OC. 

I think as far as run blocking goes our OL has a chance to be elite.  The reports are that Becton is mauling people as a run blocker.  Fant was a good run blocker in Seattle

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3 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

I think as far as run blocking goes our OL has a chance to be elite.  The reports are that Becton is mauling people as a run blocker.  Fant was a good run blocker in Seattle

True, but they need opportunities to play together. Reps are in short supply during this unusual off-season. The 'team-work' won't be where it needs to be. 

 

I always thought the best way to run the ball is by making defenses respect the passing game. If they're scared of your QB, running the ball is easy - with or without a quality o-line. 

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On 6/30/2020 at 7:27 AM, Grandy said:

When utilized correctly Bell is a monster.

When he OL is top 10, Bell is a monster.

When his OL is avg/below avg, SO is Bell.

Go look at eash season and see where his runblocking OL was ranked...  then look at his yards per....

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On 6/30/2020 at 10:19 AM, bitonti said:

by the way the last SB was a referendum on Running the ball vs Passing the ball the KC chiefs were down by 13 in the 4th quarter and ended up running the Niners off the field

it's a passing league 

we all know it 

threads like this exist to take pressure off 14

the most overrated Jets player since Sanchez 

if Darnold was holding out for more money I'd say start the Captain Morgan era 

 

I’ll drink to that.

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10 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

When he OL is top 10, Bell is a monster.

When his OL is avg/below avg, SO is Bell.

Go look at eash season and see where his runblocking OL was ranked...  then look at his yards per....

 

It's almost like RB isn't a position worth investing $13M+ per year on, based on its dependence on 5 other guys to do their jobs effectively. 

Weird how that works.

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You need to be able to pass the ball to score enough points in this league to beat good teams on a consistent basis.  I want a running game to open up play action, pick up first downs/touchdown in short yardage, and to help run out the clock while protecting a late lead. 

But more often than not it is the passing game that sets up that late lead.  And also is needed to comeback if you fall behind.

 

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On 6/30/2020 at 2:24 PM, ageingjetfan said:

 

In my opinion I want about a fifteen carry average rushing and a minimum of five balls received from Bell. This to me means that we run enough for play action. having play action helps the inexperience of the line getting an extra second or two in passing. we will need it. we are raw, for the most part inexperienced and new to each other up front. We will also need to out formation defenses some and use some motion to help Sam and the line make calls. Perrine also will get five to 8 run touches in my opinion. Up big numbers slide up, down big the reverse but I tend to think these type averages means we have a good offense.

Thats basically what Bell got last year...   which is fine by me...  Gore/Perine split another 10 carries...

25 carries per game...mayeb 35 passes....    both can rise slightly if we get more FD

we had a measly 61 rushing first downs last year...   that needs to improve drastically....

On 6/30/2020 at 2:41 PM, slats said:

Gore's signing cuts into Perinhe's potential workload, but I expect him to pick up more work as the season moves forward. Wouldn't be surprising to see some two back sets. Jets have a nice committee right now in that each guy can do everything: run, catch, and block. You can send Bell down the middle deep and keep Perine or Gore back in to block from that formation. A lot of options. 

The improvements to the OL should translate into improvements in the running game. Becton's gonna have a learning curve, but I think the Jets will be pretty good to run behind him from day one. 

this is my prayer.,..   andthat we get some CHUNKS

I'll go game by game..last year our .longest fun 

wk1 12 yds Bell

wk2  15yds Mont

wk3 8yds Bell

wk4 bye wk 5 19yd V Smith

wk 6 13 Bell

wk 7 19 Bell

wk 8 13 V Smith

wk9 14 Bell

wk10 24 Darnold

wk11 17 Powell

wk12 12 Bell

wk13 7 Bell/Mont/Bell

wk14 11 Powell

wk15 15 Bell

wk 16 11Bell

wk17 20 V Smith

 

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