Popular Post freestater Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 And its worrisome. Kalil was objectively bad. McGovern (who was supposed to be a solid fa, sure) has looked overwhelmed. GVR is definitely not the answer. Becton looks great, yes and Fant mostly serviceable. Letting Harrison go also concerns me, good guy to have for depth even if its best he's not a starter. They seemed hell-bent on getting rid of a guy who was the least of our problems last year. Some of Joe Douglas' moves have not panned out. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jet_Engine1 Posted September 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 28, 2020 His wide receivers have arguably been worse, and the corners he has brought it have been abject disasters. But let's not even talk about the fact that his entire draft class is now on IR. Aside from that hes been great 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 For those of you who like PFF like I do: McGovern has been awful. GVR was solid against Buffalo and Indy while being awful against San Fran Fant has been below average. Becton has been excellent Edoga played well against Indy Lewis was great the first two weeks and bad yesterday against Indy. McDermott was terrible filling in for Becton against Indy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Thank you! Once again, it was obvious to anyone paying attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Yes, the problem is JD. The performance has nothing to do with coaching and the QB. Got it. ******* clowns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 The OL is better than it was last year, at every position. That’s a good start. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, choon328 said: Yes, the problem is JD. The performance has nothing to do with coaching and the QB. Got it. ******* clowns If you think of every situation in life as a binary either/or, I guess you could extrapolate that. I however, do not. Didn't say any of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 At least Joe D prioritizes the OL (he used our #1 pick on it) and drafted a potentially great LT. That's a very good start (one I'm sure he's well aware he needs to continue building on). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, kdels62 said: The OL is better than it was last year, at every position. That’s a good start. I'd contend Harrison is better than McGovern. A healthy Winters *may* be better than GVR. Tackles, yes are a big improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playtowinthegame Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Aside from the Jamal Adams trade that netted the Jets a couple bottom of the 1st rd picks, and the verdict on that trade is at least two drafts away, Joe Douglas ain't done much. He actually made us worse so far. I realize he deserves a lot more time, however, it's getting late early for Joe D. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgivs21 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Honestly, I think this comes down to coaching again. A lot of the guys we let go have played at a higher level than they did here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, choon328 said: Yes, the problem is JD. The performance has nothing to do with coaching and the QB. Got it. ******* clowns it is everything from A to Z 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Not really impressed with JD. His only good move so far is Becton which was a no brainer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Just now, freestater said: If you think of every situation in life as a binary either/or, I guess you could extrapolate that. I however, do not. Didn't say any of that. There's a 3 game body of work. The HC is terrible and the QB is regressing at a meteoric rate and you're concerned bc the lineman that JD signed at below market rates on essentially 1 year deals aren't all pros yet? Give me a ******* break. Let's also not forget that the lack of preseason games was catastrophic for an offensive line group with 4 new starters who needed time to gel. They had to learn to communicate with each other via ******* Zoom. As bad as you think it is the offensive line has played much better than last year which was the point of bringing in all of these new guys. So yeah, I think it's ridiculous that people are complaining about the offensive line and the moves JD made when the HC is a complete disaster and the QB has been awful. Both of which JD isn't responsible for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, freestater said: And its worrisome. Kalil was objectively bad. McGovern (who was supposed to be a solid fa, sure) has looked overwhelmed. GVR is definitely not the answer. Becton looks great, yes and Fant mostly serviceable. Letting Harrison go also concerns me, good guy to have for depth even if its best he's not a starter. They seemed hell-bent on getting rid of a guy who was the least of our problems last year. Some of Joe Douglas' moves have not panned out. McGovern has been injured and this group hasn’t played much together. The blurb about the colts oline playing many games together is telling. It takes time to build an oline. Nobody expected the second coming of mankins with either van roten or Lewis. Losing Becton and Fant isn’t good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: At least Joe D prioritizes the OL (he used our #1 pick on it) and drafted a potentially great LT. That's a very good start (one I'm sure he's well aware he needs to continue building on). This is true. That is a very encouraging sign. If Cam Clarke turns into a good G, then his drafting of o-line would be his strong suit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Just now, Philc1 said: Not really impressed with JD. His only good move so far is Becton which was a no brainer yep any football guy should be able to do okay round one the funny thing is I am not sure why people think he is the guy- he is new that is it hire a proven guy and over pay him -not a guy who stood next to a guy that helped build a team-that is the jets motto and fans buy into that nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said: Aside from the Jamal Adams trade that netted the Jets a couple bottom of the 1st rd picks, and the verdict on that trade is at least two drafts away, Joe Douglas ain't done much. He actually made us worse so far. I realize he deserves a lot more time, however, t's getting late early for Joe D. The GM was counting on a jump in play from his QB. That's the biggest mistake he made. If Darnold plays well in an 3 games the Jets are at least 1-2 but for sure would have been competitive. His awfulness brought down the entire team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, freestater said: Some of Joe Douglas' moves have not panned out. More than some, so far. O-Line FA = C- trending D WR FA = F O-Line Draft = A, but it was an easy A really WR Draft = Incomplete till Mims shows up... The Morgan pick, much as I liked it (and like Morgan in generic terms) looks worse as time goes on. Unless there was some plan for Morgan to play if Darnold faltered (and who knows....) then "Developmental #3 QB" now looks like a bad idea instead of another WR prospect to help Sam/depth. I'd still say it's easy, I'd still say I liked our Draft overall, but I'd agree, most of JD's moves so far have no resulted in noticeable improvements. I wouldn't even consider firing him yet tho, to be clear. Gase, yes. JD, no. Darnold, no (yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, choon328 said: The GM was counting on a jump in play from his QB. That's the biggest mistake he made. If Darnold plays well in an 3 games the Jets are at least 1-2 but for sure would have been competitive. His awfulness brought down the entire team. by taking away his best wr? other gms that wanted a jump in play from their qb gave them shiny new weapons-see diggs to allen and hopkins to murray-our gm took away our best threat lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, choon328 said: There's a 3 game body of work. The HC is terrible and the QB is regressing at a meteoric rate and you're concerned bc the lineman that JD signed at below market rates on essentially 1 year deals aren't all pros yet? Give me a ******* break. Let's also not forget that the lack of preseason games was catastrophic for an offensive line group with 4 new starters who needed time to gel. They had to learn to communicate with each other via ******* Zoom. As bad as you think it is the offensive line has played much better than last year which was the point of bringing in all of these new guys. So yeah, I think it's ridiculous that people are complaining about the offensive line and the moves JD made when the HC is a complete disaster and the QB has been awful. Both of which JD isn't responsible for. The lack of playing time together is exactly why you keep guys like Harrison around as an insurance policy. Letting Winters go to save some money when were already heavily under the cap doesnt make sense in that situation either. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Not really impressed with JD. His only good move so far is Becton which was a no brainer If Becton was a no brainer he wouldn't have been the 3rd tackle to get drafted. There were plenty of concerns about Becton going into the draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, freestater said: I'd contend Harrison is better than McGovern. A healthy Winters *may* be better than GVR. Tackles, yes are a big improvement. That’s a bad contention. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icer Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 It's a patch work Oline on 1 year deals other than Fant and Becton. Expectations were too high 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, choon328 said: If Becton was a no brainer he wouldn't have been the 3rd tackle to get drafted. There were plenty of concerns about Becton going into the draft. I don't think you're thinking this thru.....it was a no brainer because we desperately needed O-line, and Becton was the best O-lineman who fell to us. It's not about Becton, it's about taking O-line at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warfish said: I wouldn't even consider firing him yet tho, to be clear. Gase, yes. JD, no. completely agree. I realize that if anyone ever critizes any perceived current savior of the jets, the natural reaction around here will be that you want that person gone. Not what I was saying either, but it is something to take note of as the guy is former o-line and should have/is said to have a good eyefor the line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said: For those of you who like PFF like I do: McGovern has been awful. GVR was solid against Buffalo and Indy while being awful against San Fran Fant has been below average. Becton has been excellent Edoga played well against Indy Lewis was great the first two weeks and bad yesterday against Indy. McDermott was terrible filling in for Becton against Indy. The Oline is composed of 5 new starters , well 4 if you consider Lewis played last year. Offensive lines do not mesh and gel instantly. Do you think the Cowboys or the Colts Olines looked great immediately. This unit needs to time to acclimate especially with no PS games and the fact with the CBA basically allows less hitting in practices than pee-wee football teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, choon328 said: If Becton was a no brainer he wouldn't have been the 3rd tackle to get drafted. There were plenty of concerns about Becton going into the draft. This is true. I wanted Wirfs in the situation we found ourselves in. Thought he was more of a sure thing, tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSALLDAY24X Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 We're judging oline play based on the the 3 games they've played together? LMAO oh lord. What did you think was realistic jump from 31 ranked oline? Did you think they would be top 10 this year? L O L! The oline is IMPROVED but is far from a finished product. Which is why most of these guys are on short term deals. Go smoke a bowl and re think some of yalls ridiculous takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, kmnj said: by taking away his best wr? other gms that wanted a jump in play from their qb gave them shiny new weapons-see diggs to allen and hopkins to murray-our gm took away our best threat lol Anderson was not the best WR, Crowder was. And JD spent the bulk of money in FA on the starting offensive line and depth for the offensive line bc it was the worst offensive line in the NFL in 2019. There were zero top available WR's in FA. The Texans only spoke to the Cardinals about the Hopkins trade. Zero other teams even knew he was available. Diggs cost a 1st round pick and the Jets needed that pick to draft a LT bc the offensive line had nobody of note at LT. Nobody could've predicted the rash of injuries at the WR position that would come to the Jets. Essentially their #1, #2 #3 and #4 WRs are hurt. Judging the WR group while they're currently starting practice squad guys is ridiculous. My only criticism of JD is that he didn't grab another WR at some point in the mid rounds. Even then they'd still be starting practice squad guys with a 4th rounder in there as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Warfish said: I don't think you're thinking this thru.....it was a no brainer because we desperately needed O-line, and Becton was the best O-lineman who fell to us. It's not about Becton, it's about taking O-line at all. Except that's not what he was saying. But thanks for helping me think it through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, freestater said: This is true. I wanted Wirfs in the situation we found ourselves in. Thought he was more of a sure thing, tbh. I actually wanted Wirfs, as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, choon328 said: There's a 3 game body of work. The HC is terrible and the QB is regressing at a meteoric rate and you're concerned bc the lineman that JD signed at below market rates on essentially 1 year deals aren't all pros yet? Give me a ******* break. Let's also not forget that the lack of preseason games was catastrophic for an offensive line group with 4 new starters who needed time to gel. They had to learn to communicate with each other via ******* Zoom. As bad as you think it is the offensive line has played much better than last year which was the point of bringing in all of these new guys. So yeah, I think it's ridiculous that people are complaining about the offensive line and the moves JD made when the HC is a complete disaster and the QB has been awful. Both of which JD isn't responsible for. Other teams had to do the same zoom meetings and are successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said: The Oline is composed of 5 new starters , well 4 if you consider Lewis played last year. Offensive lines do not mesh and gel instantly. Do you think the Cowboys or the Colts Olines looked great immediately. This unit needs to time to acclimate especially with no PS games and the fact with the CBA basically allows less hitting in practices than pee-wee football teams. That doesn't matter apparently. It doesn't matter that the cupboard at offensive line was so bare that they had to go out and sign 4 new offensive lineman in FA and also draft 2. 4 new starters in total. It doesn't matter that there was no preseason games for these guys to gel. They're just supposed to go out there and become the best offensive line in the NFL like it's Madden. Some people have no clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, DJF71 said: Other teams had to do the same zoom meetings and are successful. Name the other teams with 4 new starting offensive lineman and a group that had never played a down together until week 1 of this season. Or any season for that matter. I'll wait for your response. It'll be a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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