kdels62 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 25 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Baker has the best OL in the nfl and it did wonders for him after he was the worst qb in the league by every possible metric in 2019 Yes, I do think a great OL would help Sam a lot Cool. Except Darnold has yet to look as good as Mayfield looked his rookie year. This is Darnold’s best OL and he’s worse than ever. Stick a fork in him, he’s at best a guy that needs to be coddled, let someone else do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Would Becton be ok moving to RT after having a good year at LT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 On 12/20/2020 at 4:49 PM, Philc1 said: Build the best offensive line in the NFL and stick with Sam. Sorry, not the sexy move but it's the smart move. So who plays RT? You’re taking a LT at #2 to then move him to RT? or you plan to move Becton to RT? Who is to know either can play RT let alone want to play RT. Wouldn’t this move reek of Mccagnan continuing to draft DL because they are the best player available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, C Mart said: So who plays RT? You’re taking a LT at #2 to then move him to RT? or you plan to move Becton to RT? Who is to know either can play RT let alone want to play RT. Wouldn’t this move reek of Mccagnan continuing to draft DL because they are the best player available? Becton played some games at RT in college, didn't he? I don't think he'd have any trouble moving to RT given he's a mauler of maulers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 12:39 PM, Philc1 said: Jameis is better than any QB we have had since Vinny in 1998 And it’s not even close. Jameis sucks balls cmon man 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Barry McCockinner said: Becton played some games at RT in college, didn't he? I don't think he'd have any trouble moving to RT given he's a mauler of maulers. Ok you tell him he’s being moved to RT ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 16 hours ago, C Mart said: Wouldn’t this move reek of Mccagnan continuing to draft DL because they are the best player available? Nothing that remotely addresses the offensive line could ever reek of Mike Maccagnan. Great offensive linemen are a lot more valuable than great defensive tackles or box safeties. Sewell being the safest pick doesn't mean he isn't also the best pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Irish Jet said: Nothing that remotely addresses the offensive line could ever reek of Mike Maccagnan. Great offensive linemen are a lot more valuable than great defensive tackles or box safeties. Sewell being the safest pick doesn't mean he isn't also the best pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 17 hours ago, HighPitch said: Jameis sucks balls cmon man And yet he’s better than any qb we have had in over 20 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I flip flop regularly between Sewell and a quarterback, and likely will continue to. The nice thing is this time I like both ideas. I think the thing that’s most appealing about Sewell is that it’d be nice to win some football games and have an identity. Becton is the best thing going on that offense right now and has allowed the team to be successful running the football. Sewell builds on that and helps make a situation better for a quarterback - dominant run game and better pass pro. We saw the leap the team took with Ferguson and Mangold and how long they kept the team competitive. I think with Becton and Sewell you’ve got an identity of a running football team that defensive fronts just don’t want to play against. Games can be closed out. Can plug and play running backs. Better situation for a quarterback. Tennessee is built around their tackles - and when they lost one they drafted another in the first. San Francisco has always stayed invested in their tackles. Cleveland turned around this year after investing in two tackles. Dallas had a few years of success built around their line. Sewell is a safer pick without a doubt. I think it works out - especially if they can flip down to 3 and pick up an extra selection - if there’s a plan to get another quarterback after you’ve created a better situation. And the problem is that you probably get knocked back a couple draft slots because the team is better. The nice thing is after all of Douglas’ time in Baltimore, he’s used to the idea of a franchise needing to find their quarterbacks when they’re not drafting from the top of round one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 hours ago, derp said: I flip flop regularly between Sewell and a quarterback, and likely will continue to. The nice thing is this time I like both ideas. I think the thing that’s most appealing about Sewell is that it’d be nice to win some football games and have an identity. Becton is the best thing going on that offense right now and has allowed the team to be successful running the football. Sewell builds on that and helps make a situation better for a quarterback - dominant run game and better pass pro. We saw the leap the team took with Ferguson and Mangold and how long they kept the team competitive. I think with Becton and Sewell you’ve got an identity of a running football team that defensive fronts just don’t want to play against. Games can be closed out. Can plug and play running backs. Better situation for a quarterback. Tennessee is built around their tackles - and when they lost one they drafted another in the first. San Francisco has always stayed invested in their tackles. Cleveland turned around this year after investing in two tackles. Dallas had a few years of success built around their line. Sewell is a safer pick without a doubt. I think it works out - especially if they can flip down to 3 and pick up an extra selection - if there’s a plan to get another quarterback after you’ve created a better situation. And the problem is that you probably get knocked back a couple draft slots because the team is better. The nice thing is after all of Douglas’ time in Baltimore, he’s used to the idea of a franchise needing to find their quarterbacks when they’re not drafting from the top of round one. We can still draft a Qb with the Seattle pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Philc1 said: We can still draft a Qb with the Seattle pick. Which one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, derp said: Which one? You tell me bra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, Philc1 said: You tell me bra I’m not sure there’s a good one at that pick and it’s a year with a lot of QB needs which complicates things. But I do like Sewell quite a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 If the real scouts think he can play RT then yes I agree DJ gave Darnold a 93 coming out compared to Lawrence 96. then you focus on WR, interior line, TE Lot’s of QB obsession going on around here and Lawrence withdrawal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 I was just going to start a thread about Sewell, but figured I'd ask the question here. What do you think we could get from Cincy if we can convince them we'll take Sewell at #2 (but really want one of the QBs) if they don't trade up with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 2 hours ago, CTJetsFan said: I was just going to start a thread about Sewell, but figured I'd ask the question here. What do you think we could get from Cincy if we can convince them we'll take Sewell at #2 (but really want one of the QBs) if they don't trade up with us? A second and a third plus maybe an extra future pick is fair value on the chart for moving from 5 to 2. That said, Cincy has 0 track record of trading up as an organization, those trades at the top of the draft happen more for quarterbacks, and 5 is a little far for the Jets to drop if they’re chasing a quarterback. I think the Bengals trade is a pipe dream. Really need Houston to beat the Titans somehow on Sunday. Miami sitting behind the Jets at 3 really puts a damper on the trade down options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hungry jackson Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 On 12/27/2020 at 8:20 AM, Butterfield said: Would Becton be ok moving to RT after having a good year at LT? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 On 12/20/2020 at 4:49 PM, Philc1 said: Build the best offensive line in the NFL and stick with Sam. Sorry, not the sexy move but it's the smart move. Are you watching Justin Fields put on a show destroying Clemson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hungry jackson Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 On 12/20/2020 at 4:49 PM, Philc1 said: Build the best offensive line in the NFL and stick with Sam. Sorry, not the sexy move but it's the smart move. NO A thousand times NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 9 hours ago, hungry jackson said: lol What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 On 12/27/2020 at 8:20 AM, Butterfield said: Would Becton be ok moving to RT after having a good year at LT? Becton gave up 11 sacks this year, he could be better at rt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, bitonti said: Becton gave up 11 sacks this year, he could be better at rt I think so too. But, I am not privy to the players psyche. Some guys might not take that move well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 29 minutes ago, bitonti said: Becton gave up 11 sacks this year, he could be better at rt Becton did not give up 11 sacks this year. He’s given up 7 sacks on 22 pressures. For reference here’s a bunch of good tackles in their rookie years: Lane Johnson- 11 sacks on 60 pressures Garrett Boles- 8 sacks on 51 pressures Taylor Decker- 5 sacks on 47 pressures Trent Williams- 11 sacks on 46 pressures Colton Miller - 16 sacks on 65 pressures Tyron Smith - 8 sacks on 30 pressures Ronnie Stanley -3 sacks on 27 pressures In summation, your point is invalid. Mekhi doesn’t really struggle in pass protection. There’s no reason to move him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 28 minutes ago, Butterfield said: I think so too. But, I am not privy to the players psyche. Some guys might not take that move well. Don’t believe the hype Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Don’t believe the hype What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Butterfield said: What? Mekhi Becton is a freak of nature having a really high quality year at LT. Leave him there. Watch the prosperity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, kdels62 said: Mekhi Becton is a freak of nature having a really high quality year at LT. Leave him there. Watch the prosperity. I am not against it, depending on what the options are. But, if Sewell is the pick, he is a higher graded prospect than Becton was and Becton is the better run blocker, and Sewell the pass blocker. It would only make sense to have Sewell LT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, Butterfield said: I am not against it, depending on what the options are. But, if Sewell is the pick, he is a higher graded prospect than Becton was and Becton is the better run blocker, and Sewell the pass blocker. It would only make sense to have Sewell LT. Here’s the faulty logic behind taking Sewell. Becton’s performance this year is basically best case scenario for most first round LTs. In both pass blocking and run blocking Becton is above average and as I pointed out above his rookie year puts him in position to improve into a top LT in the league. If you take Sewell the probability is that he’ll have a worse first year than Becton, even matching Becton is unlikely. So you’re using the 2nd overall pick to get a player that in the short term performs worse than the 11th pick from the year before. The cherry is this- no matter how great Sewell is, he simply can’t ever be that much better than Becton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, kdels62 said: Here’s the faulty logic behind taking Sewell. Becton’s performance this year is basically best case scenario for most first round LTs. In both pass blocking and run blocking Becton is above average and as I pointed out above his rookie year puts him in position to improve into a top LT in the league. If you take Sewell the probability is that he’ll have a worse first year than Becton, even matching Becton is unlikely. So you’re using the 2nd overall pick to get a player that in the short term performs worse than the 11th pick from the year before. The cherry is this- no matter how great Sewell is, he simply can’t ever be that much better than Becton. I’m not sure about that. Becton was good, but he wasn’t that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Butterfield said: I’m not sure about that. Becton was good, but he wasn’t that great. Again objectively he was. Objectively, the kind of year he had is the kind of rookie year that future All-Pros have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 5 hours ago, kdels62 said: Becton did not give up 11 sacks this year. He’s given up 7 sacks on 22 pressures. For reference here’s a bunch of good tackles in their rookie years: Lane Johnson- 11 sacks on 60 pressures Garrett Boles- 8 sacks on 51 pressures Taylor Decker- 5 sacks on 47 pressures Trent Williams- 11 sacks on 46 pressures Colton Miller - 16 sacks on 65 pressures Tyron Smith - 8 sacks on 30 pressures Ronnie Stanley -3 sacks on 27 pressures In summation, your point is invalid. Mekhi doesn’t really struggle in pass protection. There’s no reason to move him. I said 7, someone corrected Me to 11 He also missed 2 games with the sniffles or something Did those guys play 16 games? Cause it's not apples to apples to compare Becton 14 games to Trent Williams all 16 Alot of guys on that list suck. Garrett Bolles for example Either way he's more like Trent brown than David bakthiari. The Jets are a left handed offense at the moment, it would be interesting to be able to run in either direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackman55 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 14 hours ago, Butterfield said: I’m not sure about that. Becton was good, but he wasn’t that great. I think you're forgetting that Becton performed well without OTAs and a training camp which puts him at a distinct disadvantage compared to the other rookie prospects discussed. I think he had an outstanding year considering the circumstances. There is a strong group at OT in this year's draft class so with Becton already in place I think drafting Sewell is a luxury and a misallocation of draft and cap capital. The Jets should take their QB at #2 (or hopefully after a small trade down) and be down with it. Then they should target Jalen Mayfield late first/early 2nd and plug him in at RT for the next 10 years. Only 20 years old, he has tremendous upside, with top athleticism and footwork for a man of his size. In addition, he performed extremely well in the spotlight last year completely dominating his matchup with Chase Young. Mayfield is still green but can dominate in the run game immediately and give the Jets a chance to have an outstanding OL for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rep Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 10:53 PM, joewilly12 said: Are you watching Justin Fields put on a show destroying Clemson. I honestly don’t think Fields will be an elite NFL QB. And even if he’s good after a year or two of development, he’s the type of player that will be good for a few years, lose some of his mobility, and not be the same great player ever again. A Cam Newton type of player. Dual threat quarterbacks just don’t tend to last that long in the NFL. I think the smart move would be to let someone else trade with us to take him and get burned by the hype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 We have more to do, pro days, combine, free agency, but fields made quite an impression lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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