JustInFudge Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 40 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Remember when it was asked in this thread if anyone sees anything special in Alvarez? Think the Mets have found their catcher. Glad to be wrong on that one. He is the one silver ling on the entire season. Which is kind of sad considering this is the most expensive roster in MLB history. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, JiF said: Glad to be wrong on that one. He is the one silver ling on the entire season. Which is kind of sad considering this is the most expensive roster in MLB history. All the high payroll teams are having their struggles. You what teams are exciting? The teams that build through the system and bring the young studs up. The Reds and Diamondbacks are going to be good teams in this league. The Mets need to build that system up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Scott Dierking said: All the high payroll teams are having their struggles. You what teams are exciting? The teams that build through the system and bring the young studs up. The Reds and Diamondbacks are going to be good teams in this league. The Mets need to build that system up. 100%. Look at the Orioles and Rays. Bottom 3 roster cost and above the Yanks, Red Sox and Blue Jays. I agree, the Mets need a farm system to develop for sure..especially on the pitching side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said: All the high payroll teams are having their struggles. You what teams are exciting? The teams that build through the system and bring the young studs up. The Reds and Diamondbacks are going to be good teams in this league. The Mets need to build that system up. True, but then you look at the Braves with their # 8 ranked payroll and .674 winning % and realize some teams just have it all…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: All the high payroll teams are having their struggles. You what teams are exciting? The teams that build through the system and bring the young studs up. The Reds and Diamondbacks are going to be good teams in this league. The Mets need to build that system up. The real question now is what to do with Pham, Canha, and Scherzer. A package of all three of those guys to someone like LA really should bring back some great stuff. Mets are one or two trades away for a few more pitching prospects from completely turning around their farm system from good to great in a very short period of time. But if they keep this up that puts them very close to .500 at the break, hard to just throw the towel in in July at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Also food for thought: With Alvarez raking, that might make Parada moveable and the Mets could package him up with Scherzer for something better. It's going to be hard to convince anyone to give up top tier guys for Scherzer given how he's broken down at the end of the season the past few years, but if you want some of the pitchers that LA, Cinci, or Arizona has that might be the ticket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 26 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: The real question now is what to do with Pham, Canha, and Scherzer. A package of all three of those guys to someone like LA really should bring back some great stuff. Mets are one or two trades away for a few more pitching prospects from completely turning around their farm system from good to great in a very short period of time. But if they keep this up that puts them very close to .500 at the break, hard to just throw the towel in in July at that point. What the Dodgers REALLY need is pitching. Kershaw is on the IL now. Dustin May is having Tommy John surgery coming up. Walker Buehler maybe pitches in September this year. The Dodgers will be the real player for Ohtani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: True, but then you look at the Braves with their # 8 ranked payroll and .674 winning % and realize some teams just have it all…. The Braves are the model. They have the great system, they sign their players early, and then they spring on a signing occasionally. Wash, rinse, repeat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Scott Dierking said: What the Dodgers REALLY need is pitching. Kershaw is on the IL now. Dustin May is having Tommy John surgery coming up. Walker Buehler maybe pitches in September this year. The Dodgers will be the real player for Ohtani. I wonder if Cohen has the stones to still pay half of Verlander's contract if the return is high enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Alvarez keeps this up he's going to top Straw's rookie year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 That throw to third by Pham last night was the coolest ******* play ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 39 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: That throw to third by Pham last night was the coolest ******* play ever. It was a weird play. Pham hesitated after fielding the ball. Looked like that was the reason the guy tried to take 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 10 hours ago, Lith said: It was a weird play. Pham hesitated after fielding the ball. Looked like that was the reason the guy tried to take 3rd. Watch the replay. Didn’t hesitate, slow-played it and the dude bit. He’s even laughing afterwards because the dude fell for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 What are the Mets going to do trade wise before the deadline? Does this hot streak change their mentality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 17 minutes ago, Maxman said: What are the Mets going to do trade wise before the deadline? Does this hot streak change their mentality? They already traded for a Middle Reliever on July 3rd (Trevor Gott - SEA), which is a sure sign that they want to be buyers. No one trades for bullpen arms, even ones who aren't particularly high leverage, if they don't intend to contend. They also absorbed over $4.5M in salary with the trade when they took on Gott and Chris Flexen's (since DFA'd) contract in the deal. Personally I think that's a mistake. Sell off several of the vets and get back to basics with the farm system. This team may well sneak in with the final WC spot but its not a contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: They already traded for a Middle Reliever on July 3rd (Trevor Gott - SEA), which is a sure sign that they want to be buyers. No one trades for bullpen arms, even ones who aren't particularly high leverage, if they don't intend to contend. They also absorbed over $4.5M in salary with the trade when they took on Gott and Chris Flexen's (since DFA'd) contract in the deal. Personally I think that's a mistake. Sell off several of the vets and get back to basics with the farm system. This team may well sneak in with the final WC spot but its not a contender. I haven't watched them much. Verlander and Scherzer show any signs that they could be a force in the post season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted July 11, 2023 Share Posted July 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Maxman said: I haven't watched them much. Verlander and Scherzer show any signs that they could be a force in the post season? They could but I'm not willing to roll the dice on that. Also barring another huge trade or 2 the bullpen is probably one of the 3-5 worst in all of Baseball so it might not even matter. Friggin Edwin Diaz injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 What bullsh*t !!!! First game out of the all-star break and the Mets are on apple f-cking tv ??????????? Come on man . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TuscanyTile2 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 On 7/12/2023 at 5:42 PM, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said: What bullsh*t !!!! First game out of the all-star break and the Mets are on apple f-cking tv ??????????? Come on man . That is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 What bullsh*t !!!! First game out of the all-star break and the Mets are on apple f-cking tv ??????????? Come on man .Might have been for the best. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 On 7/15/2023 at 12:09 AM, Lith said: Might have been for the best. I know for a fact that the team is grateful that it wasn’t ESPN GOTW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Alonso FA after next season @ 29 years old. You must try and sign him, but at what cost?Are you giving him a 6-8 yr. contract? I assume that’s what his agent will be looking for. The Mets have a difficult decision, especially in light of his performance this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 16, 2023 Author Share Posted July 16, 2023 1 hour ago, 32EBoozer said: Alonso FA after next season @ 29 years old. You must try and sign him, but at what cost?Are you giving him a 6-8 yr. contract? I assume that’s what his agent will be looking for. The Mets have a difficult decision, especially in light of his performance this year. I would not go more than 5-6 years. Interesting that they waited so long on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 28 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: I would not go more than 5-6 years. Interesting that they waited so long on him. We have a 5 yr. sample size to look at. Pete’s 28 and I think he will continue to be the player he is (throw this year out the window). .250/ 35-40 HR/ 120 RBI/ 120-140 SO with average to below average defense. Among the list of highest paid 1st basemen, what player is a comp for Pete’s next contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 16, 2023 Author Share Posted July 16, 2023 He is Goldschmidt light. Does not have the OPS and speed that Goldschmidt has (had). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 I don't put down the Mets org on their plan of signing to short term contracts with a lot of money two elite older starters including last year's Cy Young winner in the AL. It just hasn't worked out and started with Diaz's injury. But it looks like time to fold the tent and sell off players who might not fit into the equation for 2024. Starting with Verlander and Scherzer. There is no way they could ever catch Atlanta but that is not the most important variable. Any team can get into the playoffs as a Wildcard get hot in the playoffs and beat the Braves in a short series. And the Braves could always get cold esp when it counts the most. But it's nearly August and the Mets haven't shown ability to not only consistently win but to beat good teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 The Mets are a complete embarrassment this year. There's no way in hell that they should be anything but sellers for the trade deadline. Most expensive roster ever....lol what a sh*tshow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 That Baty pop fly was the perfect allegory for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 The numbers should go up esp BAs of three Mets elite players Lindor, McNeil and Alonso and the batting more consistent. I don't see Lindor or Pete ending the season in the .220s or McNeil significantly below .300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 3 hours ago, JiF said: That Baty pop fly was the perfect allegory for the season. Lots to choose from in that game. The Baty play. And the flay ball off Stewart's glove for the double that did not hurt them in the 7th. And the botched double play to allow the go ahead run to score in the 8th. And the three double play grounders. And the pop up followed by two Ks with 1st and 3rd none out in the 8th. That game had a little of everything that the 23 Mets have become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 I think I heard a stat today that since his good start in April Alonso is batting about .178 since then. Kind of baffling. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/2447476/pete-alonso/splits/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Lith said: Lots to choose from in that game. The Baty play. And the flay ball off Stewart's glove for the double that did not hurt them in the 7th. And the botched double play to allow the go ahead run to score in the 8th. And the three double play grounders. And the pop up followed by two Ks with 1st and 3rd none out in the 8th. That game had a little of everything that the 23 Mets have become. Yeah but the way it bounced up and hit him in the jaw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 7 hours ago, JiF said: That Baty pop fly was the perfect allegory for the season. Eppler needs to rip it up and start again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 13 hours ago, 32EBoozer said: Alonso FA after next season @ 29 years old. You must try and sign him, but at what cost?Are you giving him a 6-8 yr. contract? I assume that’s what his agent will be looking for. The Mets have a difficult decision, especially in light of his performance this year. BVW not limiting his games his first year like every team has done in the past, no matter if it was the “right” thing to do, lost the Mets a year of control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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