Should the Jets re-sign Quinnen Williams for 20-25 million a year?

[Barton]

Is anyone else not noticing the major red flags on Quinnen?

Before 2022, he average abouted 5-6 sacks a year and was a solid player but a dissapointment based on where he was drafted. 

His contract year in 2023, he doubles his production and IMMEDIATELY calls to get paid as soon as the season ends and also says he wont show up to voluntary camps etc.

This tells me he was focusing on getting paid the entire year (playing for the future contract)

I would not pay this guy 20-25 million a year. 

Use the resources to bolster the offense which currently has an average Oline and only 1 stand out receiver at WR/TE, IMO. Rodgers/Carr/other Veteran will need to get paid, too.

 

[jetspenguin]

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.

[The Crusher]

I honestly didn’t noticed that. I notice he got  better when the defense got better, especially the secondary. I also noticed  he asked to get paid right after he earned the right to get paid, not sure why that’s a problem. It was also very apparent what he meant to the defense when he wasn’t in this year. This is my three step plan for Q..

1. Pay him

2. Play him more snaps 

3. Profit 

[fullblast]

Pay Q.

[Dunnie]

1 (one) - dominant year.

I would not mind paying the man 20+ with heavy contingencies and escalators built in ... the guy played at that level last year and deserves something like that. Work ethic doesnt seem to be an issue. Slightly bummed about the holdout stance so early .. ... but one year wonders ? How many times will the Jets make the same exact poor judgment call ?

Edited February 5, 2023 by Dunnie

[MichaelScott]

4 hours ago, Barton said:

Is anyone else not noticing the major red flags on Quinnen?

Before 2022, he average abouted 5-6 sacks a year and was a solid player but a dissapointment based on where he was drafted. 

His contract year in 2023, he doubles his production and IMMEDIATELY calls to get paid as soon as the season ends and also says he wont show up to voluntary camps etc.

This tells me he was focusing on getting paid the entire year (playing for the future contract)

I would not pay this guy 20-25 million a year. 

Use the resources to bolster the offense which currently has an average Oline and only 1 stand out receiver at WR/TE, IMO. Rodgers/Carr/other Veteran will need to get paid, too.

 

I see your argument but there are also a couple other factors. I think he wasn't used correctly the first several years in the league. I believe he was pretty young when he came into the league (or maybe it was just the braces). He finally had some talent around him this year. I don't remember work ethic ever being an issue I heard of with Q. I.e. he never worked hard enough previous years and finally turned it up in a contract year. He was arguably the best DT in the league this year, I don't blame him for wanting to get paid this offseason. Wouldn't you? 

Yes, its great when rookies show their potential/produce from day 1 like Sauce and Breece, but that's not always the way it goes. IMO there were a lot of factors in Q's career prior to this year that likely play a role in past years vs. this year - I don't think effort solely for a contract was one of them. 

The Jets haven't had home grown talent worth keeping in what feels like a VERY long time. I'd be extremely disappointed, to put it mildly, if he wasn't kept long term .

[32EBoozer]

Q will be playing under the 5th year & can be tagged in ‘24. I understand you negotiate when you have the greatest leverage, but 1 productive year a $100 million contract does not make.

If he’s willing to tie production to contract I’d be all for extending him. If not have him go out next season and reproduce this year’s performance. 

Edited February 5, 2023 by 32EBoozer

[JustInFudge]

Absolutely, he was easily in the DPOY conversation.  When you have that on the DL and the best corner in the business, you have the makings of a dominant defense. 

[The Crusher]

3 minutes ago, JiFields said:

Absolutely, he was easily in the DPOY conversation.  When you have that on the DL and the best corner in the business, you have the makings of a dominant defense. 

Yep, last time we had guy like that on the line was a beat up second hand well used Kris Jenkins. Still dominant and changed the defense but couldn’t stay healthy. We need to resign Q! 

[GKnight83]

There is no way I would sign him for 5 years!

I would extend him the $20-25MM/year for 2 years.

[32EBoozer]

2 minutes ago, GKnight83 said:

There is no way I would sign him for 5 years!

I would extend him the $20-25MM/year for 2 years.

“One In The Hand is Worth Two In The Bush” negotiations!

[RedBeardedSavage]

Look @ Chris Jones on KC. 

Nobody is Aaron Donald, he's just an outlier, but I absolutely believe Q had a Chris Jones type season and can be that guy for 5+ years.

Pay this guy a monster contract and don't look back. 

[Larz]

[k-met57]

this narrative is dumb on several levels...

1. Quinnen has always been a "slow starter" even in college. Not paying him as he is hitting his prime would be the ultimate loser franchise move

2. The Jets can't afford not to pay him because of the narrative it would create in the locker room. the guy has done everything asked of him, and has been everything you want a player to be when not on the field

3. Pass rushers from IDL are a premium position, and we finally hit on a draft pick...how could you possibly rationalize not doubling down on that

4. Wilkerson (if thats the concern) was never nearly as good as Quinnen....thats just a dumb narrow minded comp

5. Average value of contract means nothing, the jets would not have to compromise the rest of the team by signing him like they would with say a big money QB. Maybe they cant afford to have other high price DT's...boo hoo...kid is a game wrecker

 

i am done now. please pay the man his money.

[FactsOnly]

[Rhg1084]

If you guys watched the games this year he was obviously the most dominant player on the field. He’s only 25. What are we even talking about? Pay the man his money. We finally have an All Pro caliber player on the DLine and you got fans wanting to get rid of him?

[Barton]

8 minutes ago, k-met57 said:

this narrative is dumb on several levels...

1. Quinnen has always been a "slow starter" even in college. Not paying him as he is hitting his prime would be the ultimate loser franchise move

2. The Jets can't afford not to pay him because of the narrative it would create in the locker room. the guy has done everything asked of him, and has been everything you want a player to be when not on the field

3. Pass rushers from IDL are a premium position, and we finally hit on a draft pick...how could you possibly rationalize not doubling down on that

4. Wilkerson (if thats the concern) was never nearly as good as Quinnen....thats just a dumb narrow minded comp

5. Average value of contract means nothing, the jets would not have to compromise the rest of the team by signing him like they would with say a big money QB. Maybe they cant afford to have other high price DT's...boo hoo...kid is a game wrecker

 

i am done now. please pay the man his money.

 

Wilkerson had a 10.5 and 12 sack season before signing his big extension.

So he actually had 2 double digit sack years. Quinnen? 1. 

[Barton]

2 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

If you guys watched the games this year he was obviously the most dominant player on the field. He’s only 25. What are we even talking about? Pay the man his money. We finally have an All Pro caliber player on the DLine and you got fans wanting to get rid of him?

Why didnt he have a season even remotely comparable to this season before? 

[derp]

They'd already picked up his option, so this wasn't a true "contract year". I wouldn't fully guarantee the contract, nobody gets fully guaranteed deals.

He's signed for $9.6M next year and pretty much regardless of how next year goes I imagine they'd tag him - 2024 projected DT tag is $21.4M. Say he gets something like 5/$115M with $55M guaranteed - it's an extra $25M in guarantees - kind of like a second tag - to effectively have a two year option two years after he's tagged.

Cap keeps going up. He's produced at a high level. Not paying him after he's been productive and a good teammate reportedly would create terrible optics in the locker room. It's a dice roll, so is paying any guy. But upside outweighs the downside.

[Rhg1084]

Just now, Barton said:

 

Wilkerson had a 10.5 and 12 sack season before signing his big extension.

So he actually had 2 double digit sack years. Quinnen? 1. 

Why are you comparing Wilkerson to Quinnen? 

[Scott Dierking]

At some point you have to start paying and developing young talent. You can't be that club that is on a treadmill of draft and let loose.

[Rhg1084]

1 minute ago, Barton said:

Why didnt he have a season even remotely comparable to this season before? 

Maybe it takes a player some time to grow into himself? Not everyone is an all pro right away 

[derp]

2 minutes ago, Barton said:

Why didnt he have a season even remotely comparable to this season before? 

Best answer is probably the secondary, to be honest.

He's had good win rate numbers. Hard to get sacks when guys are always open in the secondary. Fans complain it's not translating to sacks. Translates to sacks, fans complain it didn't happen before. He's been a good player.

[BP]

1 minute ago, Rhg1084 said:

Why are you comparing Wilkerson to Quinnen? 

Because Wilkerson quit after being paid. And he’s expecting Q to follow suit

[BP]

If they played him every down I’d say yes. But with this SF rotation BS we don’t play our best lineman half the time, so I’d say no.

[Rhg1084]

2 minutes ago, BP said:

Because Wilkerson quit after being paid. And he’s expecting Q to follow suit

Lol that makes no sense whatsoever. Q was the 3rd pick in the draft and was generally considered the best player in that draft behind Bosa. He’s a much better talent than Wilk ever was 

[Barton]

4 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

Maybe it takes a player some time to grow into himself? Not everyone is an all pro right away 

Could be the case. Could be.

But I suspect he will slide back to 6 sacks or so once he gets paid.

Red flag to immediately call for money right after the season ended AND threatening to hold out. Guy's had 1 great year. Thats it. 

[k-met57]

7 minutes ago, Barton said:

 

Wilkerson had a 10.5 and 12 sack season before signing his big extension.

So he actually had 2 double digit sack years. Quinnen? 1. 

different position, different system, different player....use your eyes.

[BP]

1 minute ago, Rhg1084 said:

Lol that makes no sense whatsoever. Q was the 3rd pick in the draft and was generally considered the best player in that draft behind Bosa. He’s a much better talent than Wilk ever was 

He’s underperformed up until last year. This was his breakout year last year, just like Wilkerson had before his option year. 

[32EBoozer]

2 minutes ago, BP said:

Because Wilkerson quit after being paid. And he’s expecting Q to follow suit

Hoping that this is not the case, but we’ve been screwed several times over now. Having another great year and being a leader by not holding out would make everyone more comfortable giving the BIG contract 

[k-met57]

1 minute ago, Barton said:

Could be the case. Could be.

But I suspect he will slide back to 6 sacks or so once he gets paid.

Red flag to immediately call for money right after the season ended AND threatening to hold out. Guy's had 1 great year. Thats it. 

u have to be trolling right? he is on a 5th year option year...and what player great or not great doesn't call for money or show up to voluntary workouts in the last year of a deal? please stop.

[Rhg1084]

1 minute ago, Barton said:

Could be the case. Could be.

But I suspect he will slide back to 6 sacks or so once he gets paid.

Red flag to immediately call for money right after the season ended AND threatening to hold out. Guy's had 1 great year. Thats it. 

He’s the anchor of the d line the strongest unit on the field. I’d like to keep him around long term, again he’s only 25. And DTs aren’t know for racking up huge sack numbers so don’t go by that. Q has been as solid as can be for the Jets and has earned his money. 

[chirorob]

7 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

Maybe it takes a player some time to grow into himself? Not everyone is an all pro right away 

I totally agree with you..  He was drafted as a 21 year old who was only a 1 year starter at Alabama.  Of course it took some time to grow up as a player.

He's improved and become an excellent player on the d line.  He won the team MVP and is 25.  That's the guy you resign.

[Barton]

Just now, k-met57 said:

u have to be trolling right? he is on a 5th year option year...and what player great or not great doesn't call for money or show up to voluntary workouts in the last year of a deal? please stop.

He did it a day after the season ended. A season that ended in heartbreak for the team, no less.

[BP]

1 minute ago, 32EBoozer said:

Hoping that this is not the case, but we’ve been screwed several times over now. Having another great year and being a leader by not holding out would make everyone more comfortable giving the BIG contract 

And it hasn’t even played out yet. The longer this drags out we will see whether he really wants to be here or not. If he keeps his mouth shut they’ll probably sign him. If he goes full blown jamal Adams on Twitter? I don’t know