Jets Tampa Observations

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

Sometimes better to sleep on it without the emotions from play to play.

1. Great thread on Becton already.  Agree with @Rhg1084 that he is the leading candidate to start at RT.  IF the Jets plan all along was to get him confident at LT before playing him at RT, then kudos to them.  The plan seems to be working well .. 

2. Zach still has some accuracy issues on easy plays, but he really does look so much better in the pocket & scanning the field.  To build his confidence more, I'd like to see the Jets open the game giving him some 'comfortable' throws on first down rather than running on first and second down.  They started to do that on the second or third drive, and it opened things up for him

3. Strategically, I'm starting to like the Jets use of offensive/defensive specialists.  Other teams certainly have theirs, but most don't invest a first round draft pick on one.  But getting off the field on third down is critical to a defense's success, and we're throwing talent like Huff & McDonald at you.  I'd like to see a specialist dedicated to stopping Tight Ends .. that was Chuck Clark's role and he was great at it in Baltimore.  Could it be Barnes?  Maybe a guy like Echols in man coverage

4. Back to Huff & McDonald.  Both were men against boys at times.  McDonald threw his spin move on 4 of 5 consecutive pass rushes, all with great effect.  Talk about throwing O-Linemen off balance.  It's going to open up his other pass rush moves

5. Tough night for the reserve CBs.  Thought the safeties did well.  Ashtyn, Amos & Andy, Jimmy Dean in the box.  That 4th safety spot is getting interesting

6. Lots of losing plays that hurt Jets drives or extended the Bucs.  Bad penalties (Echols again, Langford), lack of situational awareness, conservative play calling.  After 12 years of LOSING, this is one of the top things we need to root out across the board.  The Jets, if they don't have it, should add a clutch personality factor to their player profiling

7. We all must of thought Bam was a goner.  He might have been saved to start the season by Izzy's injury

8. Brownlee had a good game at WR and Gipson as a Returner.  That 6th WR is getting interesting.  Didn't notice Taylor, did he play?

9. Tough night for the TEs ... just when you thought ..

10. Anyone else notice how quick our DTs are off the snap?  Holy sh*te!  Tanzel Smart & Quinton Jefferson in particular.  Going to be a fun defense to watch ..  

 

[ASH1962]

More penalties than points, and no td's. Seems to be a familiar script under coach Salesman. Although the D only gave up 13 points, there were still tons of 3rd down and long conversions where they made Kyle Trask look like TB12. No D turnovers as usual, and no sacks either that I can remember. So will the Jet D will be feast or famine? Either they will sack the QB, or the passes will be easily completed? Zack played ok, a few drops hurt his stats, still has brain farts on short easy stuff, had that nice run. Becton looks like a man on a mission. Someone either promised him part ownership of a Golden Corral franchise if he plays a full season, or somehow lit a fire under his arse because he looked great. RB's were meh. Wr's were meh. Overall, pre season is a total waste of time. The only thing that comes out of it are injuries which sucks. It really has no bearing on any reality or anything that will happen on or after opening day except teams missing key players. 

[Darnold's Forehead]

3 minutes ago, ASH1962 said:

More penalties than points, and no td's. Seems to be a familiar script under coach Salesman. Although the D only gave up 13 points, there were still tons of 3rd down and long conversions where they made Kyle Trask look like TB12. No D turnovers as usual, and no sacks either that I can remember. So will the Jet D will be feast or famine? Either they will sack the QB, or the passes will be easily completed? Zack played ok, a few drops hurt his stats, still has brain farts on short easy stuff, had that nice run. Becton looks like a man on a mission. Someone either promised him part ownership of a Golden Corral franchise if he plays a full season, or somehow lit a fire under his arse because he looked great. RB's were meh. Wr's were meh. Overall, pre season is a total waste of time. The only thing that comes out of it are injuries which sucks. It really has no bearing on any reality or anything that will happen on or after opening day except teams missing key players. 

Save this for the regular season.  It has no ground in the pre-season.

[More Cowbell]

After last night, I don't  think anything saves Bam. 

[kevinc855]

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

.  I'd like to see a specialist dedicated to stopping Tight Ends .. that was Chuck Clark's role and he was great at it in Baltimore.  Could it be Barnes?  Maybe a guy like Echols in man coverage

This. I see lots of Josh allen to Dawson Knox 3rd and 8 conversions unless we clean it up. 

[LSJF]

3 minutes ago, Darnold's Forehead said:

Save this for the regular season.  It has no ground in the pre-season.

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[#27TheDominator]

I think they opened up running because people have been trashing the O line and wanted to try to make a statement.  

You don't get a specialist to stop TEs.  TEs have most of their success because they are tertiary options.  Yeah yeah Kelce but I am way more worried about Diggs than getting papercut for points by Dawson Knox.

[doitny]

good thread.

1. i think Kuntz just played himself to the PS. those 2 penalties were brutal as they killed nice runs. 

2. you all know im not a Zach boy but i will give him credit for that run. not the run itself but i like how he made the decision to tuck it and run early instead of scrambling while holding it trying to pass it.

3. Bam is getting cut once Izzy is back. not a good night for him.

4. Gipson earned himself a job with that punt return.

5. Ashton Davis had a nice game. might have saved his Job. and the other safeties played well too but Davis had more plays made IMO.

6. Becton is starting RT. nice game by him.

7. alot of penalties but most by guys who wont make the team like Kuntz. that one CB #36 or #38 got like 2 or 3 on the same drive. drove me nuts.

8. our DL is real deep. some guy named Holmes i think had 2 sacks. 

9. once Rodgers gets in there thats the end of the conservative play calling. either they still dont trust Zach or hes not reading the field to find more downfield options.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

8 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I think they opened up running because people have been trashing the O line and wanted to try to make a statement.  

You don't get a specialist to stop TEs.  TEs have most of their success because they are tertiary options.  Yeah yeah Kelce but I am way more worried about Diggs than getting papercut for points by Dawson Knox.

I’ve seen third down LBs who are coverage specialists.  I believe Milano from Buffalo started in this capacity before becoming an all around LB.

Im only focused on it because it’s our 1 potentially glaring weakness on D.  

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

1 minute ago, doitny said:

good thread.

1. i think Kuntz just played himself to the PS. those 2 penalties were brutal as they killed nice runs. 

2. you all know im not a Zach boy but i will give him credit for that run. not the run itself but i like how he made the decision to tuck it and run early instead of scrambling while holding it trying to pass it.

3. Bam is getting cut once Izzy is back. not a good night for him.

4. Gipson earned himself a job with that punt return.

5. Ashton Davis had a nice game. might have saved his Job. and the other safeties played well too but Davis had more plays made IMO.

6. Becton is starting RT. nice game by him.

7. alot of penalties but most by guys who wont make the team like Kuntz. that one CB #36 or #38 got like 2 or 3 on the same drive. drove me nuts.

8. our DL is real deep. some guy named Holmes i think had 2 sacks. 

9. once Rodgers gets in there thats the end of the conservative play calling. either they still dont trust Zach or hes not reading the field to find more downfield options.

Well done!

[#27TheDominator]

12 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I’ve seen third down LBs who are coverage specialists.  I believe Milano from Buffalo started in this capacity before becoming an all around LB.

Im only focused on it because it’s our 1 potentially glaring weakness on D.  

I understand.  I just think it is more point of emphasis than player oriented.  They are stacked with safeties playing LB which IMO is basically what you are looking for 

 

They still play a ton of zone

[bgivs21]

Becton IMO should be the starting LT. He has hands down been the best OL in the pre-season games and I'm sure has looked much better in practice than Mitchell and Turner. 

Brown is still not back and who knows when he will be. And when he does return, he's got to get in game shape. 

[Kendan]

I thought the starting OL was unimpressive. Didn’t get much push in the run game until Becton got in. I’m getting concerned that Duane Brown hasn’t practiced yet and we haven’t seen the starting line together once in practice or preseason with 3 weeks until opening day. 

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, Kendan said:

I thought the starting OL was unimpressive. Didn’t get much push in the run game until Becton got in. I’m getting concerned that Duane Brown hasn’t practiced yet and we haven’t seen the starting line together once in practice or preseason with 3 weeks until opening day. 

What starting offensive line?  Did Tomlinson or AVT play? 

[Phillyjet]

23 minutes ago, doitny said:

good thread.

1. i think Kuntz just played himself to the PS. those 2 penalties were brutal as they killed nice runs. 

2. you all know im not a Zach boy but i will give him credit for that run. not the run itself but i like how he made the decision to tuck it and run early instead of scrambling while holding it trying to pass it.

3. Bam is getting cut once Izzy is back. not a good night for him.

4. Gipson earned himself a job with that punt return.

5. Ashton Davis had a nice game. might have saved his Job. and the other safeties played well too but Davis had more plays made IMO.

6. Becton is starting RT. nice game by him.

7. alot of penalties but most by guys who wont make the team like Kuntz. that one CB #36 or #38 got like 2 or 3 on the same drive. drove me nuts.

8. our DL is real deep. some guy named Holmes i think had 2 sacks. 

9. once Rodgers gets in there thats the end of the conservative play calling. either they still dont trust Zach or hes not reading the field to find more downfield options.

1) Disagree on Kuntz... he is making rookie mistakes but his upside and size are unmistakable when he is in there.  I think he makes the cut over Yeboah.  Jets Keep Conklin, Uzomah, Ruckert, and Kuntz.  They may try to get Yeboah through to the practice squad.  Don't think Kuntz slips through if they cut him... he has Kelce size and good hands.  

2) I have been pleasantly surprised by Zaire Barnes, seems to be always near the ball... think he makes the team and plays on specials.  Think the Jets keep Mosley, Sherwood, Williams, Barnes, and Suratt. 

3) People talk about Corey Davis not making the team... I'd wonder why Randall Cobb makes this team.  With Xavier Gipson impressing and playing specials, he can back up Mecole Hardman in the slot.  Receivers would be Wilson, Davis, Hardman, Lazard, Gipson and one of Brownlee/Taylor.  Jets try to slip Taylor or Brownlee through to practice squad.  I think Brownlee as a rookie is more likely to be poached. 

4) I have been pleasantly surprised by Trey Dean... think the last safety cut will be interesting... Adams, Amos, Whitehead, Dean vs Davis.

5) Tackles: sure feels like Billy Turner may not make this team... we'll see.  A reserve tackle may not yet be on this team.  Particularly with Schweitzer and Colon playing well.  Keep Becton, Brown, AVT, Tomlinson, Tippman, Schweitzer, Colon, Mitchell.  Potential cap casualty is McGovern and Billy Turner given the play of Schweitzer and Colon, and AVT's ability to back up one of the tackle spots.  

6) Gonna be interesting to see if there are any surprise cuts on the DL, with so much depth.  Instinct says Tanzel Smart finally meets the Turk.  But Saleh seems to like his quickness in the middle.  I wonder about guys like Solomon Thomas.  Hard to think Quinton Jefferson doesn't make the team.  Gonna come down to Al Woods vs. Solly Thomas... lean Woods.  Jets try to put Jalyn Holmes and Pita T on the practice squad. 

7) Unless Izzy goes on IR, hard to see how Bam Knight makes the team with Cook, Hall, Carter, and Izzy already slotted in as the 4 RBs.  People might be surprised, but think he could slip through to the practice squad.  Izzy wouldn't.  

[Phillyjet]

Also forgot to say that the rookie most likely to be cut is Converse. They may try to get him to the practice squad. 

[Rhg1084]

1 hour ago, ASH1962 said:

More penalties than points, and no td's. Seems to be a familiar script under coach Salesman. Although the D only gave up 13 points, there were still tons of 3rd down and long conversions where they made Kyle Trask look like TB12. No D turnovers as usual, and no sacks either that I can remember. So will the Jet D will be feast or famine? Either they will sack the QB, or the passes will be easily completed? Zack played ok, a few drops hurt his stats, still has brain farts on short easy stuff, had that nice run. Becton looks like a man on a mission. Someone either promised him part ownership of a Golden Corral franchise if he plays a full season, or somehow lit a fire under his arse because he looked great. RB's were meh. Wr's were meh. Overall, pre season is a total waste of time. The only thing that comes out of it are injuries which sucks. It really has no bearing on any reality or anything that will happen on or after opening day except teams missing key players. 

I mean these were our backups. DJ Reed, Sauce, Whitehead, Adams, Quincy, Mosley, Quinnen, JFM, Lawson, MC II all didn’t play. So I’m not really worried about our backups not playing that great lol

[doitny]

36 minutes ago, Phillyjet said:

1) Disagree on Kuntz... he is making rookie mistakes but his upside and size are unmistakable when he is in there.  I think he makes the cut over Yeboah.  Jets Keep Conklin, Uzomah, Ruckert, and Kuntz.  They may try to get Yeboah through to the practice squad.  Don't think Kuntz slips through if they cut him... he has Kelce size and good hands.  

2) I have been pleasantly surprised by Zaire Barnes, seems to be always near the ball... think he makes the team and plays on specials.  Think the Jets keep Mosley, Sherwood, Williams, Barnes, and Suratt. 

3) People talk about Corey Davis not making the team... I'd wonder why Randall Cobb makes this team.  With Xavier Gipson impressing and playing specials, he can back up Mecole Hardman in the slot.  Receivers would be Wilson, Davis, Hardman, Lazard, Gipson and one of Brownlee/Taylor.  Jets try to slip Taylor or Brownlee through to practice squad.  I think Brownlee as a rookie is more likely to be poached. 

4) I have been pleasantly surprised by Trey Dean... think the last safety cut will be interesting... Adams, Amos, Whitehead, Dean vs Davis.

5) Tackles: sure feels like Billy Turner may not make this team... we'll see.  A reserve tackle may not yet be on this team.  Particularly with Schweitzer and Colon playing well.  Keep Becton, Brown, AVT, Tomlinson, Tippman, Schweitzer, Colon, Mitchell.  Potential cap casualty is McGovern and Billy Turner given the play of Schweitzer and Colon, and AVT's ability to back up one of the tackle spots.  

6) Gonna be interesting to see if there are any surprise cuts on the DL, with so much depth.  Instinct says Tanzel Smart finally meets the Turk.  But Saleh seems to like his quickness in the middle.  I wonder about guys like Solomon Thomas.  Hard to think Quinton Jefferson doesn't make the team.  Gonna come down to Al Woods vs. Solly Thomas... lean Woods.  Jets try to put Jalyn Holmes and Pita T on the practice squad. 

7) Unless Izzy goes on IR, hard to see how Bam Knight makes the team with Cook, Hall, Carter, and Izzy already slotted in as the 4 RBs.  People might be surprised, but think he could slip through to the practice squad.  Izzy wouldn't.  

still disagree with Kuntz. 7th rd picks rarely make the team . even 6th rd pick Tom Brady was on the PS most of his 1st year.

see the thing with rookie mistakes is we cant afford them this year. not if were serious about the SB. cant have Kuntz making bad holding penalties like he did last night to kill drives. not to say the vets wont do it but there not getting cut. not this year.

plus being a 7th rd pick means everybody passed on him 6 or 7 times. if they wanted him they could have drafted him. i didnt see anything special to make teams sorry they passed on him to make him their 3rd or 4th TE. he should make the PS unless he declines it.

holding penalties are a killer. you even see Saleh shake his head on his last one.

[32EBoozer]

3 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

6. Lots of losing plays that hurt Jets drives or extended the Bucs.  Bad penalties (Echols again, Langford), lack of situational awareness, conservative play calling.  After 12 years of LOSING, this is one of the top things we need to root out across the board.  The Jets, if they don't have it, should add a clutch personality factor to their player profiling

Nice write-up. That Langford pass interference call was BS.

Also.... just because the Defensive Line & CBs point at OL for movement, the refs don't have to call it! It was like Lebron James fake foul calls out there last night.

Kuntz played well but the few holding calls were killers. A couple of nice runs had to come back.

[C Mart]

6 hours ago, doitny said:

still disagree with Kuntz. 7th rd picks rarely make the team . even 6th rd pick Tom Brady was on the PS most of his 1st year.

see the thing with rookie mistakes is we cant afford them this year. not if were serious about the SB. cant have Kuntz making bad holding penalties like he did last night to kill drives. not to say the vets wont do it but there not getting cut. not this year.

plus being a 7th rd pick means everybody passed on him 6 or 7 times. if they wanted him they could have drafted him. i didnt see anything special to make teams sorry they passed on him to make him their 3rd or 4th TE. he should make the PS unless he declines it.

holding penalties are a killer. you even see Saleh shake his head on his last one.

Brady was cut? Never heard that one. Sure about that?

[doitny]

14 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Brady was cut? Never heard that one. Sure about that?

Tom Brady: Inside his forgotten rookie season of 2000 - Sports Illustrated

 

The football field wasn’t Brady’s only arena here. “Nintendo, Ping-Pong, pool, you beat him and he was pissed,” Eitzmann says. Later that year, when Brady was living with Eitzmann and Nugent in a condo he bought from cornerback Ty Law, the trio regularly staged double-elimination tournaments in Tecmo Super Bowl. A Bay Area native, Brady would play as the Niners, while Eitzmann often elected for the Raiders, featuring an unbeatable Bo Jackson. “He’d throw the controller against the wall,” Eitzmann says. “He wouldn’t talk to me for half a day.”

Despite his best efforts Brady remained a glorified practice squad player most of that season, taking snaps sparingly and staying home for away games. 

Brady started the 2000 season as the fourth-string quarterback, behind starter Drew Bledsoe and backups John Friesz and Michael Bishop; by the end of the season, he was number two on the depth chart behind Bledsoe.

you might be right cause it doesnt say he was cut. but i never said he was cut either. maybe rules were different back than but the S.I article as you can see says he was on the PS. 

[section314]

8 hours ago, Phillyjet said:

Also forgot to say that the rookie most likely to be cut is Converse. They may try to get him to the practice squad. 

Doubt it. They learned their lesson with Pinnock.

[C Mart]

1 hour ago, doitny said:

Tom Brady: Inside his forgotten rookie season of 2000 - Sports Illustrated

 

The football field wasn’t Brady’s only arena here. “Nintendo, Ping-Pong, pool, you beat him and he was pissed,” Eitzmann says. Later that year, when Brady was living with Eitzmann and Nugent in a condo he bought from cornerback Ty Law, the trio regularly staged double-elimination tournaments in Tecmo Super Bowl. A Bay Area native, Brady would play as the Niners, while Eitzmann often elected for the Raiders, featuring an unbeatable Bo Jackson. “He’d throw the controller against the wall,” Eitzmann says. “He wouldn’t talk to me for half a day.”

Despite his best efforts Brady remained a glorified practice squad player most of that season, taking snaps sparingly and staying home for away games. 

Brady started the 2000 season as the fourth-string quarterback, behind starter Drew Bledsoe and backups John Friesz and Michael Bishop; by the end of the season, he was number two on the depth chart behind Bledsoe.

you might be right cause it doesnt say he was cut. but i never said he was cut either. maybe rules were different back than but the S.I article as you can see says he was on the PS. 

Technically it says glorified PS player. He wasn’t on the PS. 
 

“Brady did next to nothing else memorable on the field as a rookie, squeaking onto the active roster when coach Bill Belichick made the unusual decision to keep four quarterbacks. While Brady finished the season as Drew Bledsoe’s backup”

[#27TheDominator]

 

28 minutes ago, section314 said:

Doubt it. They learned their lesson with Pinnock.

What lesson?  They kept Adams.  I think they woukd make the same decision again.  When you have talent you have to cut talent.  

1 hour ago, doitny said:

Tom Brady: Inside his forgotten rookie season of 2000 - Sports Illustrated

 

The football field wasn’t Brady’s only arena here. “Nintendo, Ping-Pong, pool, you beat him and he was pissed,” Eitzmann says. Later that year, when Brady was living with Eitzmann and Nugent in a condo he bought from cornerback Ty Law, the trio regularly staged double-elimination tournaments in Tecmo Super Bowl. A Bay Area native, Brady would play as the Niners, while Eitzmann often elected for the Raiders, featuring an unbeatable Bo Jackson. “He’d throw the controller against the wall,” Eitzmann says. “He wouldn’t talk to me for half a day.”

Despite his best efforts Brady remained a glorified practice squad player most of that season, taking snaps sparingly and staying home for away games. 

Brady started the 2000 season as the fourth-string quarterback, behind starter Drew Bledsoe and backups John Friesz and Michael Bishop; by the end of the season, he was number two on the depth chart behind Bledsoe.

you might be right cause it doesnt say he was cut. but i never said he was cut either. maybe rules were different back than but the S.I article as you can see says he was on the PS. 

They said glorified practice squad player.  That means he was not really on the practice squad.   In 2000 the rosters were different.  I think they carried an extra QB and had inactive players that were rostered.

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, doitny said:

Despite his best efforts Brady remained a glorified practice squad player most of that season, taking snaps sparingly and staying home for away games. 

That doesn’t mean he was on the practice squad.  
I don’t remember ever reading he was on the Pats practice squad.  If he did it would be written up as part of the “legend” that is Brady.  🤮

[JKlecko]

12 hours ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Sometimes better to sleep on it without the emotions from play to play.

1. Great thread on Becton already.  Agree with @Rhg1084 that he is the leading candidate to start at RT.  IF the Jets plan all along was to get him confident at LT before playing him at RT, then kudos to them.  The plan seems to be working well .. 

2. Zach still has some accuracy issues on easy plays, but he really does look so much better in the pocket & scanning the field.  To build his confidence more, I'd like to see the Jets open the game giving him some 'comfortable' throws on first down rather than running on first and second down.  They started to do that on the second or third drive, and it opened things up for him

3. Strategically, I'm starting to like the Jets use of offensive/defensive specialists.  Other teams certainly have theirs, but most don't invest a first round draft pick on one.  But getting off the field on third down is critical to a defense's success, and we're throwing talent like Huff & McDonald at you.  I'd like to see a specialist dedicated to stopping Tight Ends .. that was Chuck Clark's role and he was great at it in Baltimore.  Could it be Barnes?  Maybe a guy like Echols in man coverage

4. Back to Huff & McDonald.  Both were men against boys at times.  McDonald threw his spin move on 4 of 5 consecutive pass rushes, all with great effect.  Talk about throwing O-Linemen off balance.  It's going to open up his other pass rush moves

5. Tough night for the reserve CBs.  Thought the safeties did well.  Ashtyn, Amos & Andy, Jimmy Dean in the box.  That 4th safety spot is getting interesting

6. Lots of losing plays that hurt Jets drives or extended the Bucs.  Bad penalties (Echols again, Langford), lack of situational awareness, conservative play calling.  After 12 years of LOSING, this is one of the top things we need to root out across the board.  The Jets, if they don't have it, should add a clutch personality factor to their player profiling

7. We all must of thought Bam was a goner.  He might have been saved to start the season by Izzy's injury

8. Brownlee had a good game at WR and Gipson as a Returner.  That 6th WR is getting interesting.  Didn't notice Taylor, did he play?

9. Tough night for the TEs ... just when you thought ..

10. Anyone else notice how quick our DTs are off the snap?  Holy sh*te!  Tanzel Smart & Quinton Jefferson in particular.  Going to be a fun defense to watch ..  

 

Excellent post!  I agree with all.  I like the idea of a defensive specialist to cover TEs and RBs over the middle.  Hopefully Sherwood can do that.

Tanzel Smart probably deserves a roster spot, but I can't see him getting one.  The numbers are too tight.

[JKlecko]

10 hours ago, ASH1962 said:

More penalties than points, and no td's. Seems to be a familiar script under coach Salesman. Although the D only gave up 13 points, there were still tons of 3rd down and long conversions where they made Kyle Trask look like TB12. No D turnovers as usual, and no sacks either that I can remember. So will the Jet D will be feast or famine? Either they will sack the QB, or the passes will be easily completed? Zack played ok, a few drops hurt his stats, still has brain farts on short easy stuff, had that nice run. Becton looks like a man on a mission. Someone either promised him part ownership of a Golden Corral franchise if he plays a full season, or somehow lit a fire under his arse because he looked great. RB's were meh. Wr's were meh. Overall, pre season is a total waste of time. The only thing that comes out of it are injuries which sucks. It really has no bearing on any reality or anything that will happen on or after opening day except teams missing key players. 

It's preseason.  They're not game planning or showing offensive wrinkles.  They're just calling basic vanilla stuff.  I thought the playcalling was bad in the HOF game, but thought it improved markedly vs Carolina.  I didn't get to see the game last night, but if other posters here and elsewhere are correct, then Hackett reverted to running the ball on 1st and 2nd downs and passing on 3rd, and that gives the D the advantage and sets the QB up to fail.  That will change (or it better) during the season.

I know that Huff had a sack last night.  I don't know if there were any others.  The passes may be completed easily to TEs and RBs over the middle, but they won't be to WRs.

Zach is making progress. I think that he's still having to think too much.  Once he can just go out there relax and let his instincts and talent take over, I think those bad misses will go away.  He can make those passes one time, and then blows them the next.  So it's not a matter of not being capable, it's something mental.

Becton lit his own fire.  He wants to play, he wants to start, and he wants to be great.  He has gotten a bum rap from the fanbase and the NYC media.

Preseason is not a waste of time.  It gives rookies and young players invaluable experience/snaps.  It enables the CS to evaluate young players and roster bubble players.  They can experiment with different facets of the game and with players since winning or losing is irrelevant to them.  For you or any fan to make a pronouncement that preseason has no bearing or any reality or anything that will happen on or after opending day is ridiculous.  You have no clue what you're talking about.  NFL coaches would laugh you out of the room.

[JKlecko]

9 hours ago, Phillyjet said:

1) Disagree on Kuntz... he is making rookie mistakes but his upside and size are unmistakable when he is in there.  I think he makes the cut over Yeboah.  Jets Keep Conklin, Uzomah, Ruckert, and Kuntz.  They may try to get Yeboah through to the practice squad.  Don't think Kuntz slips through if they cut him... he has Kelce size and good hands.  

2) I have been pleasantly surprised by Zaire Barnes, seems to be always near the ball... think he makes the team and plays on specials.  Think the Jets keep Mosley, Sherwood, Williams, Barnes, and Suratt. 

3) People talk about Corey Davis not making the team... I'd wonder why Randall Cobb makes this team.  With Xavier Gipson impressing and playing specials, he can back up Mecole Hardman in the slot.  Receivers would be Wilson, Davis, Hardman, Lazard, Gipson and one of Brownlee/Taylor.  Jets try to slip Taylor or Brownlee through to practice squad.  I think Brownlee as a rookie is more likely to be poached. 

4) I have been pleasantly surprised by Trey Dean... think the last safety cut will be interesting... Adams, Amos, Whitehead, Dean vs Davis.

5) Tackles: sure feels like Billy Turner may not make this team... we'll see.  A reserve tackle may not yet be on this team.  Particularly with Schweitzer and Colon playing well.  Keep Becton, Brown, AVT, Tomlinson, Tippman, Schweitzer, Colon, Mitchell.  Potential cap casualty is McGovern and Billy Turner given the play of Schweitzer and Colon, and AVT's ability to back up one of the tackle spots.  

6) Gonna be interesting to see if there are any surprise cuts on the DL, with so much depth.  Instinct says Tanzel Smart finally meets the Turk.  But Saleh seems to like his quickness in the middle.  I wonder about guys like Solomon Thomas.  Hard to think Quinton Jefferson doesn't make the team.  Gonna come down to Al Woods vs. Solly Thomas... lean Woods.  Jets try to put Jalyn Holmes and Pita T on the practice squad. 

7) Unless Izzy goes on IR, hard to see how Bam Knight makes the team with Cook, Hall, Carter, and Izzy already slotted in as the 4 RBs.  People might be surprised, but think he could slip through to the practice squad.  Izzy wouldn't.  

IMO Yeboah has earned a spot on the team. Kuntz has done little and is not likely to see the field this season except for STs or garbage time.

Barnes is definitely a keeper.  I don't see the Jets keeping 5 LBs, but they could

The posters on this site really need to do some research into Cobb. He is elite on 3rd downs.  He always gets open and converts a very high percentage of throws to him on 3rd down into 1st downs.  That is worth a roster spot.  Factor in that he's one of Rodgers' best friends and he's not going anywhere, nor should he.

I think most Jets fans were hoping to see Davis cut, and until one good practice this week and then the game last night, it looked like he possibly would be. Now, especially with Saleh's comments about him, it looks like he sticks due to his STs play and speed, and Dean goes to the PS.

Turner's not going anywhere, either. He can play 4 positions on the OL, knows the scheme backwards and forwards, and has experience with both Hackett and Rodgers.  I'd be shocked beyond words if he got cut.  Warren could go on IR.  He hasn't been able to practice much lately.

Al Woods is NOT getting cut.  That's ridiculous. He will be playing beside Q on running downs. It was either in the HOF game or a practice where there was a pass play and Woods ran the receiver down or was in close pursuit.  Tanzel Smart won't be on the team and Solomon Thomas would be the one to go if any of the other DTs since both JFM and Clemons can play DT.  I think Clemons should move to DT full time.  He can hold the Edge, but he just doesn't have the speed or moves to be on the field very much on passing downs.

[JKlecko]

1 hour ago, section314 said:

Doubt it. They learned their lesson with Pinnock.

I think Converse will go onto PUP or IR.  To my knowledge, he hasn't taken a single snap in TC.

[JKlecko]

10 hours ago, Phillyjet said:

Also forgot to say that the rookie most likely to be cut is Converse. They may try to get him to the practice squad. 

I disagree.  He hasn't practiced due to injury.  I think they can put him on the PUP, but if not, he will go on IR. It's a shame. He has a lot of potential, and his whole rookie season is lost.

[doitny]

7 hours ago, C Mart said:

Technically it says glorified PS player. He wasn’t on the PS. 
 

“Brady did next to nothing else memorable on the field as a rookie, squeaking onto the active roster when coach Bill Belichick made the unusual decision to keep four quarterbacks. While Brady finished the season as Drew Bledsoe’s backup”

well that was going to be my next argument, who keeps 4 QBs. i guess we got to give Bill credit for that one. he was too afraid to let Brady be exposed to Waivers. guess i should have read the whole article.

 

7 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

That doesn’t mean he was on the practice squad.  
I don’t remember ever reading he was on the Pats practice squad.  If he did it would be written up as part of the “legend” that is Brady.  🤮

yep. between that and staying home for road games made it look like he did. 

[doitny]

7 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

 

What lesson?  They kept Adams.  I think they woukd make the same decision again.  When you have talent you have to cut talent.  

They said glorified practice squad player.  That means he was not really on the practice squad.   In 2000 the rosters were different.  I think they carried an extra QB and had inactive players that were rostered.

i think you might be right on the bold. who keeps 4 QBs and keeps them home for road games. different era different rules.

[#27TheDominator]

9 hours ago, JKlecko said:

I disagree.  He hasn't practiced due to injury.  I think they can put him on the PUP, but if not, he will go on IR. It's a shame. He has a lot of potential, and his whole rookie season is lost.

I thought that they had to clear waivers or make the final 53 before they can be placed on IR?  A few of the guys the Jets waived recently ended up on IR - Guidry, Hall, Nasrildeen.  Even Streveler briefly before he got his injury settlement.  Can he go on IR without clearing waivers since he has not practiced? 

FWIW, this is the type of guy I am suggesting cutting Cobb for.  Cut Cobb with a handshake deal and then bring him back when JBC reverts to IR.  

[rtnelson]

It would have been so much nicer to have been able to see Izzy starting this weekend.  He looks talented and it would have been the perfect time to show case it.

[Jethead]

9 hours ago, JKlecko said:

Tanzel Smart probably deserves a roster spot, but I can't see him getting one.  The numbers are too tight.

I'd keep him over Thomas but I think both are goners. He's a good young player. Wish him well.