Zach Wilson's five interceptions

[FactsOnly]

1 hour ago, Darnold's Forehead said:

He’s had at least 2 dropped ints so far this season but yeah that’s about his only saving grace so far.  Would like to see him start taking more chances and pushing the ball down the field.  Trust his receivers and give them a chance to make a play - or try throwing them open.  Offense needs points.  Our defense can handle a turnover or two if we score TDs.

[DonCorleone]

2 hours ago, shawn306 said:

The have done a good job eliminating the killer mistake. 

Along with the throw out of bounds that were getting interecepted

The one hopper on bubble screens. 

The twirly spin away and look like Fran Tarkenton scrabmbles

Gotta fix the Red zone though

Fair assessment. 

[FactsOnly]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Thinking that 0 TDs, 0 INTs is actually a good QB statline in the NFL in 2023 is even wilder.

some week 3 gems for you casuals

Purdy 12/27 1/1

Hurts 3 picks

Mike white 0 tuddies and a cool pick 6

Minshew 3 picks

Cousins 180 1 TD

Baker 200 and a pick

ALL vs WORSE DEFENSES outside of the Jets

ALL with BETTER RECEIVING CORPS

[65 Toss Power Trap]

2 hours ago, AFJF said:

Crazy to think the kid has thrown five picks this season and only one (the first one) was a legitimately bad decision (Milano) in week 1.  

Threw three against Dallas chucking the ball up there trailing by fifty late in the fourth quarter and one last week that went through Garrett Wilson's hands and was caught by the DB squeezing the ball between his knees.

The one to Wilson is his only one in his last 134 pass attempts.

But I thought every interception, every sack, every missed catch, every run for less than 4 yards, and every redzone trip that resulted in a FG was 100% his fault. 

[jetstream23]

2 hours ago, shawn306 said:

The have done a good job eliminating the killer mistake. 

Along with the throw out of bounds that were getting interecepted

The one hopper on bubble screens. 

The twirly spin away and look like Fran Tarkenton scrabmbles

Gotta fix the Red zone though

Those the most valid points by far.

No more running backwards, no killer mistakes, much more accurate (no/fewer dirt balls on screens), etc.  Have to give both Zach and the coaching staff credit.  Someone is actually developing him now and he seems to be absorbing it.

The next step will be maintaining the consistently good "game manager" play while ALSO completing some big, game-changing passes.  When the Jets are in a game down by 2 TDs heading into the 4th Quarter can he win a game with his arm?

[65 Toss Power Trap]

2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

People were going crazy about the 3 INTs against Dallas but that game was in a desperate situation (down 3 scores in the 4Q to a great defense playing at the top of its game).

Dallas ate our lunch all day. Any QB we had would have laid an egg in that game.

[FactsOnly]

16 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

Where have you been?

The throw to G Wilson that Samuel intercepted was exactly that.   It went thru Garrett’s hands to Samuel.  He has been throwing 50/50 balls to Wilson the past 2 wks.   Garrett hasn’t come down with them, possibly bc he is injured.

these casuals dont watch the game without their hater-vision glasses on

[FactsOnly]

6 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

We just witnessed the best Jet victory since Fitz to Decker vs. the Pats nearly 8 years ago.  But let's keep dragging Wilson?  I can't even tell if this is 4D trolling or if this is how people really feel anymore....

mental illness

[65 Toss Power Trap]

2 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Wild

Facts over Dogma. 

"It's a dangerous thing to mistake speaking without thought for speaking the truth."

 

[carlito1171]

credit where credit is due. 

This kid was an absolute turnover machine in 2021. Parts of last season as well. He's made great strides from that standpoint. Still has a long ways to go but its only fair to talk about the positives if we're gonna spend all day talking about the negatives....

[65 Toss Power Trap]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Interception truthing is some sh*t

Genius retort . . . I mean just brilliant. 

Learn the game. Turnovers are incredibly important. 

[BigRy56]

Zach has shown a ton of growth both on and off the field but none of it says franchise QB to me at the time. That's OK though... the Jets are winning games regardless against the toughest competition the NFL has to offer. If they continue to win, he can continue to play this poor man's Jimmy G role that he's playing right now and get back to the bench for AR8 in 2024.

All I want from this season is a winning record and maybe a slide into the playoffs. That's possible with this version of Zach.

[Green Truth]

And How many TD's thrown during that timeframe. The Answer is 3, passing TD's over 5 games.

They are still not allowing him to play. They are 3-3 with crap QB play, they will have to open it up against teams that play well against the run.

He is getting better, but still way below average for scoring points on offense.

4 TD's and 5 Picks.

[peekskill68]

1 minute ago, BigRy56 said:

Zach has shown a ton of growth both on and off the field but none of it says franchise QB to me at the time. That's OK though... the Jets are winning games regardless against the toughest competition the NFL has to offer. If they continue to win, he can continue to play this poor man's Jimmy G role that he's playing right now and get back to the bench for AR8 in 2024.

All I want from this season is a winning record and maybe a slide into the playoffs. That's possible with this version of Zach.

This is fair.  People are expecting a lot seeing where he was a year ago.  I'm not sure you can go from being that bad to even being a reliable game manager in just one year.  All you can expect is continued improvement until you find where his ceiling really is.  We'll know soon enough...

[Jetsfan80]

7 minutes ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said:

Genius retort . . . I mean just brilliant. 

Learn the game. Turnovers are incredibly important. 

So is scoring Touchdowns

[Jetsfan80]

13 minutes ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said:

Dallas ate our lunch all day. Any QB we had would have laid an egg in that game.

Even after that game Zach was ranked top 10 in the league in both time to throw and pocket time.

False.  You're simply wrong on this one.  The OL has been more of a strength than a weakness on this team.

[Jetsfan80]

20 minutes ago, peekskill68 said:

We just witnessed the best Jet victory since Fitz to Decker vs. the Pats nearly 8 years ago.  But let's keep dragging Wilson?  I can't even tell if this is 4D trolling or if this is how people really feel anymore....

Absolutely, because he's literally the only guy on the team not doing his job at a pro level.  He's going to completely handicap this team's ability to be great.  

[Darnold's Forehead]

33 minutes ago, Bowles Movement said:

Where have you been?

The throw to G Wilson that Samuel intercepted was exactly that.   It went thru Garrett’s hands to Samuel.  He has been throwing 50/50 balls to Wilson the past 2 wks.   Garrett hasn’t come down with them, possibly bc he is injured.

Lol yeah I’m gonna need more than 1 example out of 50+ pass attempts the past 2 weeks.  Garrett made a great catch on the deep ball yesterday that was underthrown.  He came down with that one.  He came down with the bad throw circus catch against the Bills for a TD.  What other 50/50 balls am I missing?

[Jetsfan80]

23 minutes ago, Same Old Jets said:

Let's add a couple of details:

1. Zach Wilson should have been red-shirted in year one

2. Two OCs in the last 3 years

 

All that's over now.  Its his 3rd year now.  Can't sit him in hindsight.  And his OCs haven't been the problem.  In fact, Hackett has done a fantastic job trying to work around Zach's flaws.  

[Same Old Jets]

3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

All that's over now.  Its his 3rd year now.  Can't sit him in hindsight.  And his OCs haven't been the problem.  In fact, Hackett has done a fantastic job trying to work around Zach's flaws.  

3. He didn't get any 1st team reps during 2023 off season

4. Hackett's offense was tailored for AR

5. New regime making changes on the fly and still learning 

[32EBoozer]

1 hour ago, GreenFish said:

As long as the Jets don’t make the mistake so many teams make and overpay him. His option should not get picked up. Right now, he’s a high end backup to low end starter. He’s a game manager.

All QBs but the top 5 guys are overpaid. Teams are paying average starters $40M. It’s insane. smh.

I agree, that we can’t pick up the 5th year option unless he makes incredible strides after the bye and gets his RZ production way up and gets us into the playoffs. He needs to actually win us a couple of games, rather than the D having to carry the team.

[nycdan]

In the past few years, some fans have been 100% certain that:

1) Becton sucks and would never play a meaningful down of football again.

2) Signing (and supposedly overpaying) Quincy Williams was purely a gift to Quinnen and a sure sign that Joe Douglas was a terrible GM

3) Ashtyn Davis was a waste of a roster spot

4) Laken Tomlinson was washed out

5) JJ2 was a waste of a first round pick

and so on.

So we need to be understanding because there really isn't much more for them to be unhappy about.  They are scrambling harder than Jaylen Hurts in the 4th quarter yesterday to find the open troll topic.

Zach may or may not turn out to be a good starting QB but I think the trolls here don't have a strong record lately to stand on regarding anything so take it all with a grain of salt.  And to be clear, criticizing Zach's play does not make you a troll.  Claiming certainty that he will never improve and relentlessly provoking those who defend him does.  It gets lost sometimes, but this is a board for fans of the team so supporting the players should generally be the default position - not something to be ridiculed or blasted for.

[T0mShane]

16 minutes ago, 65 Toss Power Trap said:

Learn the game. Turnovers are incredibly important.

@Maxman at long last I have uncovered Bill Walsh’s alt. 

[Jetsfan80]

22 minutes ago, Same Old Jets said:

3. He didn't get any 1st team reps during 2023 off season

4. Hackett's offense was tailored for AR

5. New regime making changes on the fly and still learning 

Holy lame excuses batman!

[Same Old Jets]

9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Holy lame excuses batman!

The environment will impact the outcome of an individual's progress.  You are correct about Geno, it took him almost a decade to develop, which is 50% of most QB careers. Zach Wilson will develop at a slow pace, but I think it will only take half of Geno's.  Basically, by the end of 2024, we could probably have in our hands, a new Geno 2.0 in Zach. 

[Jetsfan80]

You guys are celebrating Zach's lack of turnovers (even though he threw a pick against Denver and fumbled 3x in the KC/DEN games). 

Meanwhile rookie CJ Stroud began his career with 191-straight INT-free throws while ALSO throwing 9 TDs and having three 280+ yard games in his first 6.

Watch QBs around the league sometime, maybe.

[Jetsfan80]

3 minutes ago, Same Old Jets said:

The environment will impact the outcome of an individual's progress.  You are correct about Geno, it took him almost a decade to develop, which is 50% of most QB careers. Zach Wilson will develop at a slow pace, but I think it will only take half of Geno's.  Basically, by the end of 2024, we could probably have in our hands, a new Geno 2.0 in Zach. 

At some point, environment can't be repeatedly blamed for poor performance after poor performance.

For a # 2 overall pick, Zach was handed some pretty good circumstances here, anyways.  Very good D, average OL, added Garrett Wilson and Breece in year 2.  Usually, # 2 overall picks get sent to trash teams.  We have not been in that category ever since Zach's arrival.

As for the last part....so you're telling me we can MAYBE get an average QB by year 4?  Awesome!!!!  Quality return on investment there.

[Same Old Jets]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

At some point, environment can't be repeatedly blamed for poor performance after poor performance.

For a # 2 overall pick, Zach was handed some pretty good circumstances here, anyways.  Very good D, average OL, added Garrett Wilson and Breece in year 2.  Usually, # 2 overall picks get sent to trash teams.  We have not been in that category ever since Zach's arrival.

First NY Jets mistake was to draft him that high, if they wanted an immediate starter. However, JD took a swing with Zach (same as Rodgers) and it backfired due to logical planning. 

It is a dual process and the management failed him during his rookie year. It happened and it was a lesson learned. 

[Warfish]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Interception truthing is some sh*t

Everyone's fault but Zach.   A pretty common sentiment here a JN.

His INT % is effectively unchanged this year vs. previous years.  2.7% vs. 2.9% and 2.9% the first two years.

But again, some are seeing massive improvement that just can't be measured or quantified objectively, just meet the "not his fault" eye test.

[Bobby816]

He's growing as a QB. And it's frustrating to watch at times. But exciting at the same point.

[T0mShane]

15 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Everyone's fault but Zach.   A pretty common sentiment here a JN.

His INT % is effectively unchanged this year vs. previous years.  2.7% vs. 2.9% and 2.9% the first two years.

But again, some are seeing massive improvement that just can't be measured or quantified objectively, just meet the "not his fault" eye test.

If the Eagles pull the game out yesterday, Zach Wilson is getting absolutely buried today and the conversation is all about benching him during the BYE. 

[JiFtheOracle]

That's great but I'm not sure it tells a great story since we know there are also a lot more check downs, not just on 3rd and long but early downs too this season.  He's also thrown 2 TD's in the past 4 games and hasnt thrown a TD pass in over 9 quarters of Football and is what, 31st in yard passing per game and passing TD %.  He also had a back breaking fumble loss and luckily recovered 2 others fumbles in Denver.  

We've been scared as a fan base by INT's but they happen, the best throw them, it's part of the game but they also throw 30+ TD's while Zach hovers around 10.   So again, love the improvement, love taking care of the ball but scoring is better. 

[UntouchableCrew]

If there's one thing Zach has improved on greatly this year vs. in the past it's cutting down on the turnovers.

He still has zero pocket presence and takes a lot of bad sacks and struggles to see the field and find the open guy when his first read isn't open, but clearly the edict is "our defense will keep us in every game, just don't F us with turnovers."

And so far it's working pretty well.

[Jetsfan80]

28 minutes ago, Same Old Jets said:

First NY Jets mistake was to draft him that high, if they wanted an immediate starter. However, JD took a swing with Zach (same as Rodgers) and it backfired due to logical planning. 

It is a dual process and the management failed him during his rookie year. It happened and it was a lesson learned. 

The swing on a questionable prospect was bad enough.  Not relegating Zach to QB3 duties this year was perhaps the bigger one.  There were cheap, superior alternatives available all Summer.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

If there's one thing Zach has improved on greatly this year vs. in the past it's cutting down on the turnovers.

He still has zero pocket presence and takes a lot of bad sacks and struggles to see the field and find the open guy when his first read isn't open, but clearly the edict is "our defense will keep us in every game, just don't F us with turnovers."

And so far it's working pretty well.

We of all fanbases should understand that can only take you so far.

Like last year, when we had a very good defense (not as good as this, but still) and only won 7 games.