Russini and Rosenblatt: 2023 Jets a dysfunctional mess; Saleh paranoid, Hackett lazy, Zach a tittybaby

[bitonti]

8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Where does Saleh rank amongst the 32 NFL Head Coaches in 2023?

Without knowing that, it's impossible (IMO) to judge if we're cheap or not cheap.

How about this, where does Saleh's compensation rank amongst all the first-time rookie Head Coaches hired the past say, 10 years?

Again, these are objective questions that should be answerable with objective facts.

If Saleh is 32nd, i.e. lowest paid, lowest paid rookie HC of the last decade, thats says alot.

If he's in the middle, like 15th, on both, then his pay says almost nothing.

 He's not 32nd but he's bottom third easy. 

It's not a rule that the Jets have to hire first time Hcs though 

It's a preference 

[Beerfish]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

Despite all the rule changes over the last century designed to increase offense the 2023 Jets had the worst rate of 3rd down conversion and red zone offense in league history  

They also have a 12 year playoff drought despite the league adding a 7th spot 

We're at an all time low however you want to tally it up 

All time low will be next year when Rodgers comes in and plays like a shot 40 year old QB and avoids all blame as the jets miss the playoffs again.

[football guy]

8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

"Internet Forum Insiders", lol.

"Cuck" lol

[nj meadowlands]

Just now, football guy said:

"Cuck" lol

WOAHHH FOOTBAWLLL GUYYYY !

[slimjasi]

6 minutes ago, bitonti said:

You can't hire Saleh at bargain prices and be mad he's not Andy Reid 

That's like me getting mad at my kia for not being a Mercedes 

Again - this makes no sense. Try and think about what you are saying. 

When Andy Reid was first hired by the Philadelphia Eagles in 1999 - no one knew what he was going to turn into. I'll guarantee you that he wasn't a a particularly highly paid coach at the time. That didn't prevent him from turning into a great coach. When you hire a first time coach, you are hiring an unknown and hoping that he develops into an Andy Reid or Bill Belichick. You aren't paying the guy like a top coach before he proves he's a top coach. 

Your car analogy doesn't work. 

 

[Warfish]

8 minutes ago, bitonti said:

You can't hire Saleh at bargain prices....

Again, source please?

From what I can find, it looks like he's somewhere in the 12th-15th range in terms of comp/salary.

What is your source that he is "bargain price" compared to the other 31 head coaches Bit?  

[bitonti]

Just now, Beerfish said:

All time low will be next year when Rodgers comes in and plays like a shot 40 year old QB and avoids all blame as the jets miss the playoffs again.

It's like that Simpsons meme "worst day of your life so far

 

Every year they don't go to the playoffs it gets worse 

Just wait for the 2025 season when they have a 60 mil cap hit on a player who retired 

That will be the new low point 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Questions that still need answering- 

what did Joe Douglas do?

why was Wilson on the team?

If they have to get Woody’s permission to bench CJ Uzomah, imagine the conversation it would require to get Zach benched

[oatmeal]

One thing the Jets do well is provide excellent content, one of the best threads ever and it’s  helping me get through a drag day at work 😂

Thank you guys for this thread, I love you all 

[slimjasi]

5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

 He's not 32nd but he's bottom third easy. 

Do you have any source for this? 

 

[football guy]

15 minutes ago, bitonti said:

They aren't all Manish 

Look If you read the article and have a different opinion fine 

But to refuse to read the article on principles or whatever is weak sauce 

It makes me wonder what other information you are avoiding 

 

I'm being sarcastic about "clicks" because that's what they are fishing for. The point is that these two have been out to get Saleh and Rodgers since jump street, and both have a history of shoddy information + twisting stories with the sole effort of manufacturing further dysfunction.

That has nothing to do with me defending Saleh, who I don't think is a good coach. That has nothing to do with my beliefs on selling our soul to Aaron Rodgers, which was an over-the-top gesture. That has nothing to do with my thoughts about the Jets, who have historically been a dysfunctional organization. It's as simple as these two "journalists" have an agenda and an axe to grind. That's not to say what they are writing is wholly incorrect, but a lot of it is exaggerated and a sensational departure from the truth. 

IMO the only way the Jets can move forward is by eliminating the leaks, getting past the distractions, blocking out the local media that actively seeks to tear them down, and most importantly by winning. Every team in the NFL will have beat writers who paint negative pictures of the teams when they don't play well. That is their job. So no matter how many blow jobs Russini offers, she's not their friend- her goal, just as most of our beat writers share- is to paint the Jets in a dysfunctional light. So stop giving them information, let them write their phony stories, and hopefully once you put a good product on the field these hit pieces will have a lot less attention and credibility. 

[Adoni Beast]

6 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Questions that still need answering- 

what did Joe Douglas do?

why was Wilson on the team?

He unnecessarily gambled on Rodgers playing most of if not all of the season and having Wilson as the backup and not really seeing the field.

He gambled and lost....stupid move.

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

If they have to get Woody’s permission to bench CJ Uzomah, imagine the conversation it would require to get Zach benched

Uh fellas I’m dialing in uncle Dave from the Andes at 2pm our time- can you be in my office.

[Warfish]

3 minutes ago, football guy said:

"Cuck" lol

Stop fantasizing, it's creepy and disturbing.  I'm not your type nor am I into your fetish.

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, football guy said:

I'm being sarcastic about "clicks" because that's what they are fishing for. The point is that these two have been out to get Saleh and Rodgers since jump street, and both have a history of shoddy information + twisting stories with the sole effort of manufacturing further dysfunction. 

That has nothing to do with me defending Saleh, who I don't think is a good coach. That has nothing to do with my beliefs on selling our soul to Aaron Rodgers, which was an over-the-top gesture. That has nothing to do with my thoughts about the Jets, who have historically been a dysfunctional organization. It's as simple as these two "journalists" have an agenda and an axe to grind. That's not to say what they are writing is wholly incorrect, but a lot of it is exaggerated and a sensational departure from the truth. 

Whose decision was it to fire Hogan? Do you still think Wilson is back?

[oatmeal]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

It's like that Simpsons meme "worst day of your life so far

 

Every year they don't go to the playoffs it gets worse 

Just wait for the 2025 season when they have a 60 mil cap hit on a player who retired 

That will be the new low point 

Maybe he will give the 60 mill back?
 

Jake Asman told me Rodgers was unfairly judged and he took the largest pay cut in professional sports so that means he’s a giving, caring guy.

Did Jake Asman lie to me @bitonti??? 😢😢😢😢

[NYJCAP2]

2 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

If they have to get Woody’s permission to bench CJ Uzomah, imagine the conversation it would require to get Zach benched

Conversations. Benched twice.

[nyjets1969]

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10107343-jets-struggles-after-aaron-rodgers-injury-ripped-by-ny-coach-such-a-f--king-mess.amp.html?utm_source=AMP&utm_campaign=Related Articles&utm_medium=marketing&%24deeplink_path=article%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Farticles%2F10107343-jets-struggles-after-aaron-rodgers-injury-ripped-by-ny-coach-such-a-f--king-mess&_branch_match_id=1253703777182010756&_branch_referrer=H4sIAAAAAAAAA7WPwWrDQAxEv8a9aZ3YKYVCKD00f9Beg7yWvRuvd4UkE%2Fz32UCPvRaEEDMwehPMWN%2FbdhCHzC7FvLTda7kH%2Bf65fH003Wkk4qd8ZbRwRrHoEzXdZUiEPpAIcRFzvqxV%2FLW1nsfD8fDWn3q4kSmoyTbP1QGcjAQQpWSQMs4kCjHfNtlBIjONMOyQd%2FClxoNudSFMAEvMM6yk%2BlKhJkxpQL9cN0nn8OzQ9J%2F1aR3d8xg9WizZ%2Fc248n%2FiuZrvgq3pARYrXjZbAQAA

[Matt39]

5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

It's like that Simpsons meme "worst day of your life so far

 

Every year they don't go to the playoffs it gets worse 

Just wait for the 2025 season when they have a 60 mil cap hit on a player who retired 

That will be the new low point 

If there were ever a time for Manish to come back this is it

[Augustiniak]

15 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Despite all the rule changes over the last century designed to increase offense the 2023 Jets had the worst rate of 3rd down conversion and red zone offense in league history  

They also have a 12 year playoff drought despite the league adding a 7th spot 

We're at an all time low however you want to tally it up 

And yet they insist on having a defensive specialist as hc

[Augustiniak]

5 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Whose decision was it to fire Hogan? Do you still think Wilson is back?

I wonder if they’re eliminating the position

[peekskill68]

20 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Why was Zach on the team if he couldn’t run Hackett’s offense?

They said over and over again they believed in his potential.  They knew he wasn't ready to run ANY offense not just Hackett's.  JD gambled on Rodgers not getting hurt and lost badly.   

[football guy]

6 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Stop fantasizing, it's creepy and disturbing.  I'm not your type nor am I into your fetish.

Creepy and disturbing? You have a grateful dead/pink floyd avatar and a fish in your bio. You also don't have a life lol. Move along gramps 

[kevinc855]

8 minutes ago, football guy said:

So no matter how many blow jobs Russini offers, she's not their friend- her goal, just as most of our beat writers share- is to paint the Jets in a dysfunctional lig

Tell me your sexist without telling me your sexist....mods should flag this BS......no place here

[football guy]

1 minute ago, kevinc855 said:

Tell me your sexist without telling me your sexist....mods should flag this BS......no place here

You clearly don't know Russini's history lol

[oatmeal]

1 minute ago, nyjets1969 said:

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From the article:

"a paranoid head coach, an ill-equipped offensive coordinator and an organizational tunnel vision on the quarterback that rubbed some teammates wrong."

One AFC general manager described Joe Douglas as the "assistant GM" with Rodgers perceived as the person in charge of the personnel decisions.

 

Ouch!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[BroadwayRay]

Amazingly, this well-researched article really didn't tell me anything I didn't already instinctively know about this team and the past season--except for maybe that Saleh is an ever bigger douche bag than I originally thought.

[Larz]

Wonder if like lafleur another team already reached out to hogan and he gets hired in a day or two 

[nj meadowlands]

FOOOTBAWWWLLL GUYYYY goin HAM!!

[Matt39]

Just now, peekskill68 said:

They said over and over again they believed in his potential.  They knew he wasn't ready to run ANY offense not just Hackett's.  JD gambled on Rodgers not getting hurt and lost badly.   

I mean after week 2 it was clear to anyone with eyes he still could not play. And having Boyle behind him while keeping Simien (who was better than both) away from the team. Flacco reached out: Wentz reached out. Flat out nonsense. Woody brought back Wilson after last year for reasons that continue to get more and more obvious.  

[nj meadowlands]

14 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Again, source please?

From what I can find, it looks like he's somewhere in the 12th-15th range in terms of comp/salary.

What is your source that he is "bargain price" compared to the other 31 head coaches Bit?  

No idea what this site is but

https://en.as.com/nfl/who-are-the-highest-and-lowest-paid-nfl-coaches-n-2/

[Larz]

Pretty soon there is going to be a support group called, “ I survived the 2023 Jets” by people who got out lol 

[peekskill68]

24 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Most of those are mistakes in judgement and bad decisions that the people making them had other ideas about.

Hackett had a proven track record of utter failure and was a joke in denver, the worst oc you could imagine and they hired him becasue he made Rodgers laugh.

The jets predictably had the worst offense in the league and the team is bringing him back for the same reason they hired him, buddies with rodgers.

If you do not want to make this reason #1 it's top 5.

I'm not disagreeing.  I'm just saying Hackett is not the worst OC in the league when in collaboration with Rodgers.  Just like Gase was not the worst OC in the league in collaboration with Manning.  They are specific fits for specific HOF QB's who run unique offenses where they have a lot of control in the play calling and execution.  This is not the same as say Shanahan and Brock Purdy where the coaches do much of the thinking and just have the QB read and react.

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, nj meadowlands said:

No idea what this site is but

https://en.as.com/nfl/who-are-the-highest-and-lowest-paid-nfl-coaches-n-2/

Well, according to this, Saleh makes the same as Matt LeFleur and more than Zac Taylor, Kevin Stefanski, and Mike McCarthy - which goes to my point that the salary isn't relevant to this discussion. First time coaches tend to be cheap - some are good, most aren't. 

[Larz]

How delicious would it be if football guy was Saleh ? 😂