Positional value and day 2/3 strategy

[jamesr]

The fans all want WR, but what would that even look like in 2024? That guy plays WR4/5 behind Wilson, Williams, Lazard, and maybe Gipson. 
It's one thing to draft Rome/Bowers and say that pick is going to be WR2/3, but at a certain point, these guys become developmental, and the Jets still really aren't making Developmental picks right now. Rodgers' hand signals and whatnot are not rookie WR-friendly. And the team already has a KR/PR so that usual rookie job is taken. 
side note: Olu's gonna play a lot. Like 6-8 starts. Maybe the whole year. The fans don't want to consider this outcome, but it's pretty likely 
Bring on a Kris Jenkins at 72 or BPA whoever that is. If it's a WR, that's awesome too. I just don't see it as a huge need atm
right now the roster needs are RB2, QB3 (do teams even do that anymore?) DT3, safety and maybe a CJ Mosely replacement 

If your starter is approaching the end of his career then a 3rd QB makes a lot of sense. You need a win now backup, but also a plan for 2 years time. Jets, Falcons, those types of teams.

But somewhere like Cincy or LA Chargers - Burrow / Herbert are "it", have a decent #2, no need for a #3. You're not developing their imminent replacement.

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[Anthony Jet]

4 hours ago, KRL said:

Expecting a WR in the 3rd and a developmental QB in the 4th (Pratt, Travis)

This is mine also. If I’m getting greedy Maybe a trade up into the 2nd without sacrificing next years picks and developmental in the 4th

[Alka]

1 minute ago, BornJetsFan1983 said:

We might get the next hasselback or wahtever...

We might hit the jackpot and get the next Tom Brady.  Only in my dreams!

[VERMONT JET]

DT is a bigger need than people think. All the DT's on the roster other than QW are on one year deals.  I think a run stuffing DT is in the top three needs along with WR and Safety.   Give me big T'Vondre Sweat if he continues to fall because of his recent DWI.   

[BornJetsFan1983]

3 hours ago, David Harris said:

Agreed.  The free 4th and 5th rounder are nice but don't really allow us to get high into the 2nd.  If we package our 3rd, 4th and 4th we can only slide up to back end of round 2.  Maybe jump from 72 to around 56.  I think these wideouts are going to get scooped up, hoping a good one slides.

Our roster is pretty stacked, no way we end up keeping all these Day 3 picks.

 

 

RD1		RD2		RD3		RD4		RD5		RD6		RD7
PK/TM		PK/TM		PK/TM		PK/TM		PK/TM		PK/TM		PK/TM
1  CHI	3000	33  BUF	580	65  CAR	265	101  CAR	96	136  DEN	38	177  MIN	20.6	221  BUF	3
2  WAS	2600	34  NE	560	66  ARI	260	102  SEA	92	137  NE	37.5	178  PIT	20.2	222  WAS	2.6
3  NE	2200	35  ARI	550	67  WAS	255	103  NE	88	138  ARI	37	179  SEA	19.8	223  LV	2.3
4  ARI	1800	36  WAS	540	68  NE	250	104  ARI	86	139  WAS	36.5	180  NE	19.4	224  CIN	2
5  LAC	1700	37  LAC	530	69  LAC	245	105  LAC	84	140  LAC	36	181  LAC	19	225  LAC	1.8
6  NYG	1600	38  TEN	520	70  NYG	240	106  TEN	82	141  BUF	35.5	182  TEN	18.6	226  ARI	1.6
7  TEN	1500	39  CAR	510	71  ARI	235	107  NYG	80	142  CAR	35	183  NYG	18.2	227  CLE	1.4
8  ATL	1400	40  WAS	500	72  NYJ	230	108  MIN	78	143  ATL	34.5	184  MIA	17.8	228  BAL	1.2
9  CHI	1350	41  GB	490	73  DAL	225	109  ATL	76	144  BUF	34	185  NYJ	17.4	229  LV	1
10  MIN	1300	42  HOU	480	74  ATL	220	110  LAC	74	145  DEN	33.5	186  ARI	17	230  MIN	1
11  NYJ	1250	43  ATL	470	75  CHI	215	111  NYJ	72	146  TEN	33	187  ATL	16.6	231  NE	1
12  DEN	1200	44  LV	460	76  DEN	210	112  LV	70	147  DEN	32.6	188  HOU	16.2	232  MIN	1
13  LV	1150	45  NO	450	77  LV	205	113  BAL	68	148  LV	32.3	189  HOU	15.8	233  DAL	1
14  NO	1100	46  IND	440	78  WAS	200	114  JAX	66	149  CIN	31.8	190  NO	15.4	234  IND	1
15  IND	1050	47  NYG	430	79  ATL	195	115  CIN	64	150  NO	31.4	191  IND	15	235  SEA	1
16  SEA	1000	48  JAX	420	80  CIN	190	116  JAX	62	151  IND	31	192  SEA	14.6	236  JAX	1
17  MIN	950	49  CIN	410	81  SEA	185	117  IND	60	152  WAS	30.6	193  NE	14.2	237  CIN	1
18  CIN	900	50  PHI	400	82  IND	180	118  SEA	58	153  JAX	30.2	194  CIN	13.8	238  HOU	1
19  LAR	875	51  PIT	390	83  LAR	175	119  PIT	56	154  LAR	29.8	195  PIT	13.4	239  NO	1
20  PIT	850	52  LAR	380	84  PIT	170	120  PHI	54	155  LAR	29.4	196  LAR	13	240  CAR	1
21  MIA	800	53  PHI	370	85  CLE	165	121  DEN	52	156  CLE	29	197  ATL	12.6	241  MIA	1
22  PHI	780	54  CLE	360	86  HOU	160	122  CHI	50	157  NYJ	28.6	198  MIA	12.2	242  TEN	1
23  JAX	760	55  MIA	350	87  DAL	155	123  HOU	49	158  MIA	28.2	199  NO	11.8	243  CLE	1
24  DET	740	56  DAL	340	88  GB	150	124  SF	48	159  KC	27.8	200  CAR	11.4	244  DAL	1
25  GB	720	57  TB	330	89  TB	145	125  TB	47	160  BUF	27.4	201  DET	11	245  GB	1
26  TB	700	58  GB	320	90  ARI	140	126  GB	46	161  PHI	27	202  GB	10.6	246  TB	1
27  ARI	680	59  HOU	310	91  GB	136	127  HOU	45	162  ARI	26.6	203  MIN	10.2	247  HOU	1
28  KC	660	60  BUF	300	92  TB	132	128  BUF	44	163  BUF	26.2	204  BUF	9.8	248  KC	1
29  DAL	640	61  DET	292	93  BAL	128	129  NYJ	43	164  DET	25.8	205  DET	9.4	249  DET	1
30  BAL	620	62  BAL	284	94  SF	124	130  BAL	42	165  BAL	25.4	206  CLE	9	250  BAL	1
31  SF	600	63  SF	276	95  BUF	120	131  KC	41	166  NYG	25	207  DEN	8.6	251  SF	1
32  CAR	590	64  KC	270	96  JAX	116	132  SF	40	167  JAX	24.6	208  LV	8.2	252  TEN	1
				97  CIN	112	133  KC	39.5	168  NO	24.2	209  LAR	7.8	253  LAC	1
				98  PIT	108	134  NYJ	39	169  GB	23.8	210  PHI	7.4	254  LAR	1
				99  LAR	104	135  SF	38.5	170  NO	23.4	211  SF	7	255  GB	1
				100  WAS	100			171  PHI	23	212  JAX	6.6	256  DEN	1
								172  PHI	22.6	213  LAR	6.2	257  NYJ	1

really i really like the idea of keeping these picks and filling up on guys. THis is the player factory that every team wants. You take your bottom of the barrel lineman, safety, rb, wr, etc and draft a new young dude that maybe plays special teams or just has potential to replace the guy that we no has low ceiling. 

The berrios effect. For example sweitzer or wahtever the back up lineman name, you can take a rook in the 4th who can give you simialr porduction, but has chance to level up. same goes for your last tier CB, WR, TE, whatever you want.  

We are finally in a place where first round draft picks are not auto starters, we finally are in the place i have been wanting us to be in. The table is set and we are finallly going to have a great year!

Great job Joe.

[bitonti]

3 minutes ago, jamesr said:

If your starter is approaching the end of his career then a 3rd QB makes a lot of sense. You need a win now backup, but also a plan for 2 years time. Jets, Falcons, those types of teams.

But somewhere like Cincy or LA Chargers - Burrow / Herbert are "it", have a decent #2, no need for a #3. You're not developing their imminent replacement.

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I mean you make alot of sense here - I see it that way for sure and have no faith in Rodgers/Taylor to stay healthy. A spencer rattler at 72 would be awesome in my book 

but many teams have QB3 on the practice squad essentially having an "unpaid intern" man that role. 

[jamesr]

I mean you make alot of sense here - I see it that way for sure and have no faith in Rodgers/Taylor to stay healthy. A spencer rattler at 72 would be awesome in my book 
but many teams have QB3 on the practice squad essentially having an "unpaid intern" man that role. 

Having one on the practice squad is ok, but if you're optimistic they'll develop into anything beyond "intern" you likely want the extra protection of the main roster.

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[Anthony Jet]

40 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I wouldn’t be mad at this

 

I’m a fan of bloodline, no evidence I should be but I’d be happy with Jenkins and McCaffery 

[GreenFish]

Not that I’m pro this but trading back and picking up another 4th is not out of the question. The draft is assumed to be deep through the first 4 rounds and we have a fairly stacked team. 5th and 6th rounders are going to struggle to make the 53 man roster. These 4th rounders with higher valued grades could though.

[Jdeet]

4 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Primary needs: WR, TE, S

Secondary needs: QB, RB, DL

WR is the only glaring need that will necessitate a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Ideally we trade up to get a top-15 WR prospect, but we may be okay at 72.

TE, RB and S are positions where you can find excellent prospects later in the draft relative to the quality of the prospects at other positions… purely because of positional valuation. I think we can absolutely get a thumper to complement Breece and Izzy in 4th or 5th. I can also see us adding to the TE and S rooms in the same range. 

All this to say, I think we’re fortunate that when our picks are happen to align pretty well with the parts of the draft where value meets our specific needs.

It should be a fun couple of days seeing how they finish.

And we added two picks to the mix, allowing us more talent and flexibility, for picking the guy we wanted in the first place. 

[varjet]

Based on the mocks I have seen/done:

• I would try and trade into the 3rd round.  Value is better there, but may not work.
• The S will be the play in the 3rd round, unfortunately.   The next tier if WRs will go in round 2-look at where Pearsall went by a smart team.  
• Round 4 could be Malik, Luke McCaffery and guys like that.   Maybe Roman Wilson.
• IOL should be available Round 4+, and that is where they should be taken. 

[bitonti]

2 minutes ago, jamesr said:

Having one on the practice squad is ok, but if you're optimistic they'll develop into anything beyond "intern" you likely want the extra protection of the main roster.

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If the Jets take a QB tonight I'd pay money to see Aaron's reaction in real time 

 

[RedBeardedSavage]

23 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The fans all want WR, but what would that even look like in 2024? That guy plays WR4/5 behind Wilson, Williams, Lazard, and maybe Gipson. 

It's one thing to draft Rome/Bowers and say that pick is going to be WR2/3, but at a certain point, these guys become developmental, and the Jets still really aren't making Developmental picks right now. Rodgers' hand signals and whatnot are not rookie WR-friendly. And the team already has a KR/PR so that usual rookie job is taken. 

side note: Olu's gonna play a lot. Like 6-8 starts. Maybe the whole year. The fans don't want to consider this outcome, but it's pretty likely 

Bring on a Kris Jenkins at 72 or BPA whoever that is. If it's a WR, that's awesome too. I just don't see it as a huge need atm

right now the roster needs are RB2, QB3 (do teams even do that anymore?) DT3, safety and maybe a CJ Mosely replacement 

I like this thought process - I’d add another interior lineman to this list depending on their long term plans for AVT. 

Also, part of me just wants to part ways with as many offensive lineman we’ve rostered the past few years. 

Braden Fiske also a possibility along with Jenkins jr. 

Can’t see us using all these picks though, we don’t have the roster space left, correct? Have to assume we’re gonna be moving up at some point? 

[jamesr]

If the Jets take a QB tonight I'd pay money to see Aaron's reaction in real time 
 

Lol! Much like being a fly on the wall during the call to Kirk Cousins when Atlanta were on the clock.

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[BornJetsFan1983]

12 minutes ago, Alka said:

We might hit the jackpot and get the next Tom Brady.  Only in my dreams!

you and me both

[Jetpain]

4 hours ago, slats said:

Agree completely that TE is not a need. I’d like to see them use two of their remaining seven picks on WRs; their third rounder and one more in the fourth. A RB wouldn’t bother me, either, preferably a thumper. 

Funny how TE is not a need now but so many were banging the drum to use our 10th pick on a TE

[Maynard13]

57 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I’m not an expert. Those are the needs I believe we have. I have no confidence in Yeboah or Kuntz and think it makes sense to have a full TE room. I’m not saying “upgrade”. I don’t expect a 3rd-5th rounder to suddenly put Conklin and Ruck on the bench. I think we need a viable 3rd TE, same as I don’t expect the WR we need to bench Mike or Garrett, or the S to start right away. I just see these as shallow parts of our roster that benefit from investment.

 

I dont thinkwe need one but if you insist: Round 7 Tanner Mclachlin. Arizona. He even looks like a TE unlike Brock Bowers who looks like, according to @T0mShane, a Best Buy Geek Squad guy. 🤣

[varjet]

The Jets Mr Irrelevant pick should be the best remaining QB.   they should not be afraid of having him on the PS.  They should sign other UDFA they can put on the PS.   

Other teams will do the same thing.  If AR8 or TT go down, the Jets will pick from their PS and other teams, for the 53.  

I think the chance of AR8 or TT going on IR is very high. 

[Tranquilo]

28 minutes ago, bitonti said:

agree on williams not being dependable. Maybe my memory is bad but I remember Rodgers basically complaining about his rookie WR the whole time, even though they had 1 or 2 good games (they all bloomed last year when Rodgers left in year 2). He didn't seem happy about it

 

He complained but in the middle of the year when Watson came back, Watson had like 8 TDs, he really broke out. 

[varjet]

Just now, Maynard13 said:

I dont thinkwe need one but if you insist: Round 7 Tanner Mclachlin. Arizona. He even looks like a TE unlike Brock Bowers who looks like, according to @T0mShane, a Best Buy Geek Squad guy. 🤣

Yeboah, Conklin, Kuntz and Ruckert is as good of a TE room as we are going to get. 

My mock at Cole Stover available at in Rd 4, if we wanted that. 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, Jetpain said:

Funny how TE is not a need now but so many were banging the drum to use our 10th pick on a TE

It is difficult to find a tight end you can use exclusively in the screen game.

[Maynard13]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

It is difficult to find a tight end you can use exclusively in the screen game.

Yes that 3 yard gain is electric.

[Jetpain]

9 minutes ago, varjet said:

Based on the mocks I have seen/done:

• I would try and trade into the 3rd round.  Value is better there, but may not work.
• The S will be the play in the 3rd round, unfortunately.   The next tier if WRs will go in round 2-look at where Pearsall went by a smart team.  
• Round 4 could be Malik, Luke McCaffery and guys like that.   Maybe Roman Wilson.
• IOL should be available Round 4+, and that is where they should be taken. 

I think 4th is the better round for the Safety.  If we wait until round 4 (maybe the kid from Air Force) , I think the WR's you listed will be long gone.  I think they have to take a WR in round 3 if they dont trade up to get one earlier.  I too would like a developmental IOL, but there are not many roster spots left for O line (could risk throwing them on practice squad), but with Penn State tackle last night, the 5 starters, Carter Warren we are at 7.  You would think they would want a veteran who could backup at center.  Leaves possibly 1 spot (until injury bug hits)  but those late round picks are great spots to take a developmental guys and hope you get lucky. 

[Jetpain]

4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It is difficult to find a tight end you can use exclusively in the screen game.

Does the Pro Bowl have a second alternate H Back spot on its roster?   Just so when they say Bowers is a pro bowler i will have a point of reference 

[jamesr]

Does the Pro Bowl have a second alternate H Back spot on its roster?   Just so when they say Bowers is a pro bowler i will have a point of reference 

Pro Bowl Left Tight End (second alternate).

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[nyjbuddy]

I think most of these guys will be available in the 3rd and on day 3 without needed to trade up.

WR Luke McCaffrey
WR Brenden Rice

RB MarShawn Lloyd
RB Isaac Guerendo

C Zach Frazier
G Zak Zinter
G Sataoa Laumea

QB Jordan Travis
QB Michael Pratt

Mr Irrelavent
    QB Devin Leary
    QB Tanner Mordecai

EDGE Mohamed Kamara
DT Ruke Orhorhoro
CB Max Melton