Matt39 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: I think that’s gotta be a part of Reddick’s calculus—if he settles for less to get into camp and Saleh decides to play him on 30% of the snaps in a rotation and he puts up 7-8 sacks as a result, who wins there? Then he’s signing tiny Leonard Floyd deals the rest of the way. This is his last realistic shot at a payday, as his agents have undoubtedly informed him. the only way to truly gain leverage here would be Woody extending Douglas and Saleh. Then they can truly talk Redick to kick rocks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mogglez Posted August 12 Popular Post Share Posted August 12 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think that’s gotta be a part of Reddick’s calculus—if he settles for less to get into camp and Saleh decides to play him on 30% of the snaps in a rotation and he puts up 7-8 sacks as a result, who wins there? Then he’s signing tiny Leonard Floyd deals the rest of the way. This is his last realistic shot at a payday, as his agents have undoubtedly informed him. Maybe he should stop taking the advice of bad agents who have negotiated bad contracts in the past for him, which is why he’s been severely underpaid his whole career and why this will be his last payday. The Jets can and basically have told him to go f*ck himself, show up, talk to us when you honor your initial commitment of playing for this team, or sit out until you’re so old that you can only get less than Leonard Floyd money from teams. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Gotta guess Sexton and Reddick know Douglas is angling for a new contract too. Woody extending him now would put the ball in the Jets court, but if Redick sits out the year and then the Jets have a new GM. New ball game too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Honestly, I forgot he was on the team. Let's see if he shows up, but it sucks the Jets traded for a guy who they knew wanted a new contract, and failed to get him under contract. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Trading Reddick leaves the Jets with $20 mil in cap space; $60+ mil in 2025. Would you rather have that cap space available for a potential Davante Adams deal or would you rather watch Douglas have a prolonged dick-measuring contest with an agent who’s repeatedly beat the Jets down in negotiations? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 If some team comes knocking with a 2nd or 3rd round pick and takes over the debt to PHI, I wouldn't hate it. Basically, it would amount to a free pick which, if you consider it a swap for letting Huff walk, is far better than the comp pick he would have garnered. Now it does leave us a little thin at DE this year in an all-in year so I would much rather have Reddick playing, but if that's the way it turns out, a free pick isn't the worst thing in the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradSmith16fan Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Trading Reddick leaves the Jets with $20 mil in cap space; $60+ mil in 2025. Would you rather have that cap space available for a potential Davante Adams deal or would you rather watch Douglas have a prolonged dick-measuring contest with an agent who’s repeatedly beat the Jets down in negotiations? If you're telling me Jets can get Adams and Justin Simmons if they trade Reddick, I'd probably change my tune on saying let him sit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpain Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 2 hours ago, Mr. Rogers said: Generally I'd agree, but Reddick's deal lacks guaranteed money. I think they'd all understand that he doesn't want to risk injury before he at least got some guaranteed/a raise. If they had the leverage and ability, they probably would too. NFL is a business. Of course, whatever Reddick's up to now will surely NOT endear him to the team lol Please clarify this for me if possible... Riddicks deal included guaranteed money... hes just received it all already. His salary for this year while technically not guaranteed its about 100% a lock to be received...does he think hes getting waived and will not receive his full salary this year? And arent veterans full salaries guaranteed if they are on the roster week 1? Just wondering where the issue with guaranteed money is coming from. Unhappy with his salary is a different argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 20 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Trading Reddick leaves the Jets with $20 mil in cap space; $60+ mil in 2025. Would you rather have that cap space available for a potential Davante Adams deal or would you rather watch Douglas have a prolonged dick-measuring contest with an agent who’s repeatedly beat the Jets down in negotiations? They were (with Reddick), and probably still are, going to target Adams at the deadline. Nothing with this situation changes that so Reddick and his agents can go f*ck themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 I haven't been through all the pages since I first posted Reddick's request for a trade, but JD has promptly denied Reddick's trade request. Apologies if this has been posted already Haason Reddick trade request denied: Why Jets won't honor edge rusher's plea for new scenery (msn.com) It's only been a few months since Haason Reddick joined the Jets organization, but he's reportedly spent enough time in New York. The Pro Bowl edge rusher requested a trade from the organization on Monday, Aug. 12 after weeks of holding out from training camp. Reddick is in the last year of his contract and wants to sign a new deal before reporting to the team. Since neither side has come to an agreement, Reddick formally requested a trade from the organization. He arrived via a trade with the Eagles in March 2024. The Jets have since publicly denied the edge rusher's plea for a change of scenery. Here's what general manager Joe Douglas said. Why the Jets denied Haason Reddick's trade request Douglas released a statement about 30 minutes after Reddick's trade request went public. The Jets general manager stood his ground, retaining the position the organization has held since March. "We have informed Haason that we will not trade him, that he is expected to be here with his teammates, and that he will continue to be fined per the CBA if he does not report," Douglas said. "Since the trade discussions back in March we have been clear, direct, and consistent with our position. Reddick will be a major piece to New York's defense that looks to continue its stellar play from 2023. The Jets had the highest-rated defense in 2023, according to Pro Football Focus. Pairing that with the return of Aaron Rodgers, who played just four snaps in the 2023 season, makes for a playoff contender. The championship window with Rodgers is tight, so the organization wants to keep Reddick to maximize its chances of winning a Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 10 minutes ago, Matt39 said: the only way to truly gain leverage here would be Woody extending Douglas and Saleh. Then they can truly talk Redick to kick rocks I would be so furious if Woody extended either of them right now. Holy sh*t. That’d be reminiscent of the time they kept Rex for an extra year because he went 8-8. I still remember the dagger text from @slats when it happened. Gutted. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 minute ago, Mogglez said: They were (with Reddick), and probably still are, going to target Adams at the deadline. Nothing with this situation changes that so Reddick and Sexton can go f*ck themselves. With Reddick, they have $6 mil in cap available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 7 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Trading Reddick leaves the Jets with $20 mil in cap space; $60+ mil in 2025. Would you rather have that cap space available for a potential Davante Adams deal or would you rather watch Douglas have a prolonged dick-measuring contest with an agent who’s repeatedly beat the Jets down in negotiations? “Joe, Howie Roseman on line 2” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: I would be so furious if Woody extended either of them right now. Holy sh*t. That’d be reminiscent of the time they kept Rex for an extra year because he went 8-8. I still remember the dagger text from @slats when it happened. Gutted. Same obviously. But Jimmy Sexton knows Douglas is never seeing 5 million a year again unless he actually wins this year. Joes desperate too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mogglez Posted August 12 Popular Post Share Posted August 12 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: With Reddick, they have $6 mil in cap available. 1. The Raiders have no choice but to eat money on that contract to get a deal done. 2. You were probably going to see Lazard included in any deal for him. 3. There are far more ways to manipulate the cap. The Adams talk never centered around Reddick’s situation. He has absolutely zero leverage and the Jets don’t owe him sh*t. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 43 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: AKA "lunch", according to @The Crusher LOL.. FACT!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherwiseHappyinLife Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 27 minutes ago, Mogglez said: If he sits out the year, the Jets retain his rights next year If he sits out this year, are the Jets charged his current contract on the 2023 cap or would that be pushed forward with his rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 minute ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said: If he sits out this year, are the Jets charged his current contract on the 2023 cap or would that be pushed forward with his rights? Gonna be honest: I have no idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 3 hours ago, Prodigal Syndicate said: Then why didn't he trade him instead of letting him walk? 3 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: maybe because you can't trade free agents? 3 hours ago, Matt39 said: He should have been traded during the season, since it was over in October Yuppp. The Jets needed to decide to be buyers or sellers last trade deadline and chose....neither. The moment Rodgers went down they should have sold off a few pieces on expiring deals, starting with Huff. Especially given we were entering the draft with no 2nd rounder - we needed more capital. Also should have lost 2 more games so we could have gotten aa stud WR rather than a meh OT but oh well. In any case this is still not a good idea by Reddick. The Jets may be eternally stupid but that doesn't make this a smart decision by Reddick's camp. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 3 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: The Jets were 4-3 prior to the trade deadline. You wanted them to trade their best situational pass rusher at that point? Yes. It was clear they weren't bringing him back and Zach Wilson was our QB (with no QB's added other than Siemian, either). That 4-3 mark was about to fall apart, as the savvy amongst us predicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yuppp. The Jets needed to decide to be buyers or sellers last trade deadline and chose....neither. The moment Rodgers went down they should have sold off a few pieces on expiring deals, starting with Huff. Especially given we were entering the draft with no 2nd rounder - we needed more capital. Also should have lost 2 more games so we could have gotten aa stud WR rather than a meh OT but oh well. In any case this is still not a good idea by Reddick. The Jets may be eternally stupid but that doesn't make this a smart decision by Reddick's camp. Didn’t sign Wentz (who was begging the Jets to sign him) and just rolled right on through with Zach Boyle and Simien and Huff blowing away in the dust. Like sand through the hourglass 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 47 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Do you think they turned down offers? They tendered him at a 2nd and did not get a bite. Not a nibble, but hey,I am sure that teams were lining up to trade high picks for him. I believe at the trade deadlne he had tied his career high in sacks. 3.5! I supposed Douglas is negligent for not spinning that into multiple firsts.. The way some of you defend Douglas you'd think he would have won a SB instead of having a worse record than our last 2 GMs. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 2 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said: The way some of you defend Douglas you'd think he would have won a SB instead of having a worse record than our last 2 GMs. As usual the truth is somewhere in the middle when it comes to JD. Is he the best caliber of GM Woody Johnson will ever be able to hire (which thus causes us to overrate him)? Probably. Is he a good GM? Ehhh....no. Probably average at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 We gambled w/ a 6th round pick and lost. It happens. No big deal. 13-4 w/ reddick, 13-4 w/o reddick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 32 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I think that’s gotta be a part of Reddick’s calculus—if he settles for less to get into camp and Saleh decides to play him on 30% of the snaps in a rotation and he puts up 7-8 sacks as a result, who wins there? Then he’s signing tiny Leonard Floyd deals the rest of the way. This is his last realistic shot at a payday, as his agents have undoubtedly informed him. C’mon now. Reddick comes in tomorrow, he’s starting on opening day. If he’s getting less than 65% of the snaps from there, it’s because he sucks and no one is gonna pay him, anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said: We gambled w/ a 6th round pick and lost. It happens. No big deal. 13-4 w/ reddick, 13-4 w/o reddick. We ended up losing 10 sacks that likely won’t be replaced 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes. It was clear they weren't bringing him back and Zach Wilson was our QB (with no QB's added other than Siemian, either). That 4-3 mark was about to fall apart, as the savvy amongst us predicted. They either needed to bring in a viable QB (Brissett was on the block for a third) or they needed to make business decisions on dumping players for picks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 14 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yuppp. The Jets needed to decide to be buyers or sellers last trade deadline and chose....neither. The moment Rodgers went down they should have sold off a few pieces on expiring deals, starting with Huff. Especially given we were entering the draft with no 2nd rounder - we needed more capital. Also should have lost 2 more games so we could have gotten aa stud WR rather than a meh OT but oh well. In any case this is still not a good idea by Reddick. The Jets may be eternally stupid but that doesn't make this a smart decision by Reddick's camp. The best pass blocking ot in the draft is not meh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 5 minutes ago, Prodigal Syndicate said: The way some of you defend Douglas you'd think he would have won a SB instead of having a worse record than our last 2 GMs. That is not a defense of Douglas. It is a statement of fact. The way some of you bitch and whine you act like you'd have thought it was smart to lock up Huff for $50+M before he ever had 4 sacks in a season. We are stupid for giving guys that only produce in their contract year money and stupid when we dont. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 2 minutes ago, slats said: C’mon now. Reddick comes in tomorrow, he’s starting on opening day. If he’s getting less than 65% of the snaps from there, it’s because he sucks and no one is gonna pay him, anyway. I just don’t get why Saleh would dump his beloved rotations for a 30 year old player, though. The whole idea behind them is to keep his rushers fresh for fourth quarters and the playoffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: We ended up losing 10 sacks that likely won’t be replaced Doubtful For your math to work, the guys replacing Huff would have to net ZERO sacks. MacDonald had 3 sacks last year with marginal playing time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice of Reason Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: That is not a defense of Douglas. It is a statement of fact. The way some of you bitch and whine you act like you'd have thought it was smart to lock up Huff for $50+M before he ever had 4 sacks in a season. We are stupid for giving guys that only produce in their contract year money and stupid when we dont. Exactly this... The insufferable lot of you that hates JD sucks... And there is a middle ground He is a young ascending gm 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Syndicate Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 Just now, #27TheDominator said: That is not a defense of Douglas. It is a statement of fact. The way some of you bitch and whine you act like you'd have thought it was smart to lock up Huff for $50+M before he ever had 4 sacks in a season. We are stupid for giving guys that only produce in their contract year money and stupid when we dont. Developing a young pass rusher and letting him walk for nothing is extremely stupid and bad management. There is no defense you can come up with except hyperbole about multiple 1sts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 20 minutes ago, Mogglez said: 1. The Raiders have no choice but to eat money on that contract to get a deal done. 2. You were probably going to see Lazard included in any deal for him. 3. There are far more ways to manipulate the cap. The Adams talk never centered around Reddick’s situation. He has absolutely zero leverage and the Jets don’t owe him sh*t. If the Raiders eat money, that’d be in exchange for a higher pick going back. As is, $6 mil in cap space is basically ticketed for emergency funds. It’s nowhere near enough to take on Adams, even at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 1 minute ago, slimjasi said: Doubtful For your math to work, the guys replacing Huff would have to net ZERO sacks. MacDonald had 3 sacks last year with marginal playing time. If Redick is out, I doubt they will. And it seems like he’s out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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