The Crusher Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 4 minutes ago, Matt39 said: As it currently stands- would you rather have a Bo Nix redshirt year or a Fashanu redshirt year? Fashanu duh! -Aaron Rodgers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: No, absolutely, paying for the aging castoffs from contending teams has always been a staple of success for the New York Jets. What else ya got ? Back up long snapper? Emergency PK ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 3 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Who are the Jets late round pick starters? Jets have two UDFA starters listed in Gipson and Adams. Historically, UDFAs have had more success than picks in rounds 5-7, and JD’s pickups are part of the reason. Not to mention the beloved and lost Huff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Just now, Matt39 said: Who are the Jets late round pick starters? I dont think they have any late round starters. MC II is the starting slot CB? Maybe Clemons? Are we counting Quincy? Carter started last year. The challenge w/ this question is the Jets have been really bad and had a lot of early picks, in addition to acquiring more early picks and trading up for players. So it's not really a question that indicates anything. The Jets have had 9 picks in the first 2 rounds over the last 3 years. All but Zach Wilson is a starter so, not sure this indicates anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 On 8/16/2024 at 10:11 AM, slats said: He has figured it out. He understands that has all the leverage, and can simply wait Reddick out. Reddick is only hurting himself, and the Jets will have a dominant DL with or without him. Reddick would be really hurting himself to sit out the year. He's still young and with a good stat year can then get a decent 3-4 year contract next year elsewhere. He's here on a one year deal and JD has no intention signing him to a 3-4 year mega contract. Players who sit out a year always seem to lose a step. Really makes no sense. You're going to lose a year and sacrifice 15M to get a contract the following year for say 20M per for 3 years? Highly unlikley. No team really wants to go down that path and roll the dice. I wonder if Jamal Adams is his agent? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 The OL conversation really ties the room together regarding Douglas sucking. He has George Fant, drafts Becton, Fant outplays Becton every step of the way, Becton eats himself into a gout-induced coma, forced to give the perpetually injured Duane Brown 2/$22 million, drafts Max Mitchell in Rd 4, drafts Carter Warren in Rd 4, lets Fant walk and Fant becomes a starter for the playoff-bound Texans, Brown gets Rodgers killed, Brown gets hurt, forced to turn back to Becton, Becton sucks, lets Becton walk, gives Tyron Smith $6 mil plus incentives ($1mil per game started, which, ok), then turns around and drafts Fashanu at pick 11. If you managed a single asset at your job with the cost:fail rate ratio that Douglas has handled OLT alone you would be blackballed from your industry. And his strength was allegedly the OL! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bronx Posted August 18 Popular Post Share Posted August 18 Just now, T0mShane said: The OL conversation really ties the room together regarding Douglas sucking. He has George Fant, drafts Becton, Fant outplays Becton every step of the way, Becton eats himself into a gout-induced coma, forced to give the perpetually injured Duane Brown 2/$22 million, drafts Max Mitchell in Rd 4, drafts Carter Warren in Rd 4, Brown gets Rodgers killed, Brown gets hurt, forced to turn back to Becton, Becton sucks, lets Becton walk, gives Tyron Smith $6 mil plus incentives ($1mil per game started, which, ok), then turns around and drafts Fashanu at pick 11. If you managed a single asset at your job with the cost:fail rate ratio that Douglas has handled OLT alone you would be blackballed from your industry. And his strength was allegedly the OL! Kalil's 6m bonus. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 4 minutes ago, Maynard13 said: Reddick would be really hurting himself to sit out the year. He's still young and with a good stat year can then great a decent 3-4 year contract next year elsewhere. He's here on a one year deal and JD has no intention signing him to a 3-4 year mega contract. Players who sit out a year always seem to lose a step. Really makes no sense. You're going to lose a year and sacrifice 15M to get a contract the following year for say 20M per for 3 years? Highly unlikley. No team really wants to go down that path and roll the dice. I wonder if Jamal Adams is his agent? 🤔 He’s not behaving logically, which makes his next move difficult to predict. This holdout is costing him fines and soon it will be game checks. Instead, he could be putting up career type numbers in this defense that is more than happy to let him pin his ears back and get after the passer. The Jets aren’t giving him his contract, and they’re not (so far) caving to his trade demands - and they shouldn’t. They are, however, giving him an opportunity to hit free agency next year on high note and he’s not taking it. People want to make this about Douglas when meanwhile, the greatest GM in the history of the sport is dealing with not one but two critical players holding out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Larz Posted August 18 Popular Post Share Posted August 18 10 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The OL conversation really ties the room together regarding Douglas sucking. He has George Fant, drafts Becton, Fant outplays Becton every step of the way, Becton eats himself into a gout-induced coma, forced to give the perpetually injured Duane Brown 2/$22 million, drafts Max Mitchell in Rd 4, drafts Carter Warren in Rd 4, lets Fant walk and Fant becomes a starter for the playoff-bound Texans, Brown gets Rodgers killed, Brown gets hurt, forced to turn back to Becton, Becton sucks, lets Becton walk, gives Tyron Smith $6 mil plus incentives ($1mil per game started, which, ok), then turns around and drafts Fashanu at pick 11. If you managed a single asset at your job with the cost:fail rate ratio that Douglas has handled OLT alone you would be blackballed from your industry. And his strength was allegedly the OL! Jets have the best game day OT group in the league. hall of famer Tyron Smith at LT solid veteran starter big Mo at RT naturally gifted gigantic swing tackle Olu that looked good in his first ever action at RT that I’m aware of. Don’t think he’s ever played RT before. Give him another 3 weeks to absorb Smiths mentorship and he’ll be starting quality. Simpson and AVT are legit Tippmann is solid. Schweitzer is ok for the 7th guy to dress on gameday. Carter Warren is a good 4th OT to have in “break glass in case of emergency” the 4th interior guy has 3 guys fighting for the job. honestly the Jets are going to have one or two of their cuts get picked up 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 36 minutes ago, slats said: Jets have two UDFA starters listed in Gipson and Adams. Historically, UDFAs have had more success than picks in rounds 5-7, and JD’s pickups are part of the reason. Not to mention the beloved and lost Huff. Gipson as a starter isn’t really true but I’ll give it to you. So they have 2 players over 6 years who play who were drafted after round 2. I think this may correlate with some of the losing that you’re vehemently defending . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 33 minutes ago, Maynard13 said: Reddick would be really hurting himself to sit out the year. He's still young and with a good stat year can then get a decent 3-4 year contract next year elsewhere. He's here on a one year deal and JD has no intention signing him to a 3-4 year mega contract. Players who sit out a year always seem to lose a step. Really makes no sense. You're going to lose a year and sacrifice 15M to get a contract the following year for say 20M per for 3 years? Highly unlikley. No team really wants to go down that path and roll the dice. I wonder if Jamal Adams is his agent? 🤔 He will be playing next yr for the jets on same 1 yr deal if he doesn’t play this yr. As long as JD makes it known that is what will happen, reddick definitely will be playing this yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 minute ago, Jetsplayer21 said: He will be playing next yr for the jets on same 1 yr deal if he doesn’t play this yr. As long as JD makes it known that is what will happen, reddick definitely will be playing this yr. Douglas won’t be with the Jets next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bicketybam Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 6 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Douglas won’t be with the Jets next year Just like Zach Wilson was coming back this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 20 of the 24 packers starters were selected by the Packers in the draft. The Jets have 8. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 21 minutes ago, bicketybam said: Just like Zach Wilson was coming back this year. Year ain’t over yet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 6 hours ago, slats said: Because you made a list without backing it up Don’t forget checking it twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 4 hours ago, Matt39 said: 20 of the 24 packers starters were selected by the Packers in the draft. The Jets have 8. Who has a better roster? Tippman AVT GW Gipson Hall QW JJ Clemons MCII Sauce Adams not sure where you where you came up with 8, unless you think the Jets will resolve the Reddick situation and Lazard is the slot receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sperm Edwards Posted August 19 Popular Post Share Posted August 19 On 8/17/2024 at 11:34 AM, T0mShane said: Right. I looked it up and Rodgers is a career 6.5% sack rate QB, which would put him in the middle of the pack in that stat. For reference, Zach Wilson was up over ten. Josh Allen led the league in lowest sack rate at 3.8 iirc. I was listening to Derrick Klassen (who is a supernerd who does extensive QB charting), and he dispelled the idea that Old Rodgers with the NYJ is the same as Old Brady with the Bucs. Brady was a point and shoot QB who was contact averse and ran the called Bruce Arians plays to perfection. Rodgers isn’t doing any of that for Nathaniel Hackett and is going to improvise and try to extend plays. Entire career rates aren't really what you look at for older QBs in the latter stages of their careers. 36+ year-old Rodgers wasn't the same QB nor the same type of QB as early-career Rodgers any more than Tampa Brady resembled early-career Brady. Their late-career pocket time is almost identical, typically in the 2.3-2.4 second range. Getting beyond the difference (Brady's being about 0.1 second faster on average) can also be explained away by looking at the receiver situations: Late-career Brady in NE: the only reliable & extreme go-to WR he had was at the very end was Edelman, a slot receiver who got open in sub-TE range. Just before that it was Edelman & Gronk. Two guys who were open right away + close to the LOS (and if Gronk was covered by one guy he was still open anyway). Before that Gronk & Cooks; again two elite/excellent options one shallower & one deeper every snap, so pick which one to exploit. Late-career Brady in Tampa: with 3 elite targets in Evans-Godwin-Gronk (and for the half-seasons he played, throw in a 4th easy target in Antonio Brown against the D's 3rd-best corner), there's no need for a disproportionate percentage of called plays to initially go to WR1 Evans first every time, let alone to just stay on Evans for an extra half-second even if his route seems maybe kinda-covered maybe not. Late-career Rodgers in Green Bay: disproportionately went to Davante Adams because he was the best WR in football (particularly those last 2-3 years there). If he wasn't open right away, it paid to stay on him over his next read because the next-best guy wasn't any more likely to be open either. This is all just looking at averages, though, which means the extremes get lost in a mix of 500-700 dropbacks, and it's those extremes-type dropbacks where the QB is sometimes rewarded for patience or it gets him clobbered. Absolutely Brady's game was more zip-zip because, with so many elite targets, a mega-experienced, elite QB like Brady (or Rodgers) has a much better idea which is going to be open fastest. It's often like a chess grandmaster playing against someone who's merely very good, which is no challenge at all for the grandmaster & why he made it look so easy it's like it wasn't even fair. So in addition to playing on a Tampa OL that had no weaknesses, unlike latter-year Green Bay (let alone Bakhtiari-less, or then Bakhtiari and Linsley-less Green Bay), Tampa-Brady wouldn't have to think, as he's surveying the pre-snap defense on 3rd & 7: Hm, looks like they've got all Davante's route options covered inside those first 10-12 yards, but do I really want to look to someone else here? Lazard just butterfingered one & has that 'please please please don't let him throw it to me' look on his face, Tonyan's hurt again right on cue, Marquez has been sulking since I yelled at him on the sideline 20 minutes ago, and Marcedes runs like he's in his third trimester carrying twins. Eff-it, ball's going to Davante even with 2-3 guys probably on him -- Royce Newman, Billy Turner, & Lucas Patrick will just have to hold their blocks for at least 3 seconds here until Davante shakes free. The point? Yes they're different QBs (and it's legitimate that such differences may have been a big enough contributor to get Rodgers IR'd so early last year, and legitimate to have that concern this year as well). But being honest, their later-career situations were not remotely apples to apples comparisons with the QBs being the only real differences either. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 23 hours ago, Matt39 said: Douglas won’t be with the Jets next year If Rodgers gets hurt again, maybe. But if he doesn’t and jets makes the playoffs, he won’t. Plus Tyrod is a lot more capable than Zach Wilson , if Aaron were to miss a few games. Even if Douglas is not here, Reddick will be if he doesn’t play this yr. If this guy is dumb and stubborn enough to sink his entire career, jets need to hold the line and make an example out of this pos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrich Posted August 30 Author Share Posted August 30 Mark Schlereth at 1:50 discussing Reddick's impact on sliding o-line help, as I alluded to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrich Posted August 30 Author Share Posted August 30 Oops wrong clip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Not just literally how his absence leaves a gaping hole on the d-line. Allowing teams to slide protection towards Quinnen, JJ, etc. I also think it’s a vibe situation. With Reddick starting week 1 in SF the Jets are on the right path. If not, the Jets are tempting fate. I’m an old guy and maybe I’ve done too much virtual aya like Rodgers. But Douglas’ stance towards Reddick, it’s all good until the football gods adjudge too arrogant. .Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 On 8/18/2024 at 9:57 AM, Larz said: Jets have the best game day OT group in the league. hall of famer Tyron Smith at LT solid veteran starter big Mo at RT naturally gifted gigantic swing tackle Olu that looked good in his first ever action at RT that I’m aware of. Don’t think he’s ever played RT before. Give him another 3 weeks to absorb Smiths mentorship and he’ll be starting quality. Simpson and AVT are legit Tippmann is solid. Schweitzer is ok for the 7th guy to dress on gameday. Carter Warren is a good 4th OT to have in “break glass in case of emergency” the 4th interior guy has 3 guys fighting for the job. honestly the Jets are going to have one or two of their cuts get picked up @T0mShane turns out it was 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 2 minutes ago, Larz said: @T0mShane turns out it was 2 What?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 On 8/18/2024 at 8:39 AM, T0mShane said: The OL conversation really ties the room together regarding Douglas sucking. He has George Fant, drafts Becton, Fant outplays Becton every step of the way, Becton eats himself into a gout-induced coma, forced to give the perpetually injured Duane Brown 2/$22 million, drafts Max Mitchell in Rd 4, drafts Carter Warren in Rd 4, lets Fant walk and Fant becomes a starter for the playoff-bound Texans, Brown gets Rodgers killed, Brown gets hurt, forced to turn back to Becton, Becton sucks, lets Becton walk, gives Tyron Smith $6 mil plus incentives ($1mil per game started, which, ok), then turns around and drafts Fashanu at pick 11. If you managed a single asset at your job with the cost:fail rate ratio that Douglas has handled OLT alone you would be blackballed from your industry. And his strength was allegedly the OL! Duane Brown was an iron man before coming here. he was just old you’re not wrong about most of your OL stuff though Becton over Wirfs was the second biggest disaster after Zach instead of trade down 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 On 8/18/2024 at 9:39 AM, T0mShane said: If you managed a single asset at your job with the cost:fail rate ratio that Douglas has handled OLT alone you would be blackballed from your industry. Haha that's what you think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 28 minutes ago, T0mShane said: What?? “Expand” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 4 minutes ago, Larz said: “Expand” Who got picked up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 16 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Who got picked up? It’s in the thread about udfa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Testaverde9819 Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 Becton will be the next Larry Allen in Philly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 On 8/18/2024 at 8:39 AM, Matt39 said: 20 of the 24 packers starters were selected by the Packers in the draft. The Jets have 8. Joe Douglas should be gm of the year.......for the Packers as he essentially built that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradSmith16fan Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 29 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Joe Douglas should be gm of the year.......for the Packers as he essentially built that team. FA is part of team building, could sometimes actually be cheaper than draft (see Huff and Williams). Reason why GB may have 20 of 24 too is location of their team. In the world today, think more nfl players would choose NY area over GB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maxman Posted August 31 Popular Post Share Posted August 31 No Roger No Rerun No Rent 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Thornburgh Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 If you want to beat Mahomes and Kelce in KC in the AFCG you better have a quality edge rush 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted August 31 Share Posted August 31 12 hours ago, Maxman said: No Roger No Rerun No Rent you forgot Duane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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