SMC Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Wait ... what happened? Who is this Cutler that you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 McDaniels is a moron. First, to even want Cassel over Cutler is absurd. Then to take this long to talk with Cutler and to do it on a conference call vs face to face is terrible. And finally, I agree Cutler is a bit of a baby, but a little diplomacy with a young franchise QB in this situation is in order vs the apparent hard line approach. Like it or not, McDaniels is stuck with Cutler for at least a year now that his precious Matt Cassel is in KC. Great way to get started. And don't forget, McDaniels will be 33 in April. You have a young HC who makes an idiotic move in trying to trade the franchise player, and then makes matters worse. He has failure written all over him. No lie, unless the Broncos go 9-7 I think we'll be hearing rumblings in 2010 that McDaniels' job is in jeapordy. What's also clear here is that the Broncos have flat out lied to the media, and to Cutler. The Broncos claim that they didn't initiate the trade talk, but it's obvious on how things have transpired that that is a lie. So, yes, as you noted: Cutler is a baby. But it will be easier for Boden to fire McDaniels than to trade Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 And don't forget, McDaniels will be 33 in April. You have a young HC who makes an idiotic move in trying to trade the franchise player, and then makes matters worse. He has failure written all over him. No lie, unless the Broncos go 9-7 I think we'll be hearing rumblings in 2010 that McDaniels' job is in jeapordy. What's also clear here is that the Broncos have flat out lied to the media, and to Cutler. The Broncos claim that they didn't initiate the trade talk, but it's obvious on how things have transpired that that is a lie. So, yes, as you noted: Cutler is a baby. But it will be easier for Boden to fire McDaniels than to trade Cutler. question though....was it mcdaniels who tried to trade him? or was it the gm? you'd have the think the gm was the one who wanted it, or was at least on board with it....no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 The Broncos were willing to trade him for the QB their coach preferred. They'd need a QB in return for any sort of deal. Would they be willing to accept Clemens or Ratliff and the #17 pick? How much sweeter should the Jets make the offer? I suspect there are teams out there with better (more proven) QB's to dangle. I also suspect Denver's phone is ringing off the hook. Maybe they really do want to move him. Who knows? I just doubt the Jets have the ammo to get it done. ratliff or clemens and our #1 picks this year and next..........maybe they would sand maybe they wouldn't. i would make that offer though. we get a wr with our 2nd round pick....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 question though....was it mcdaniels who tried to trade him? or was it the gm? you'd have the think the gm was the one who wanted it, or was at least on board with it....no? It had to be McDaniels, IMO, because look at who was hired first. McDaniels was hired on January 11 while Xander was promoted to GM on February 12 (Xander had been with the Broncos only since last May). So Bowlen hires McDaniels and then promotes to GM a guy who has only been with the organization a few months and has absolutely no ties to Cassel. Xander had to be on board with the trade, but he was just a passenger while McDaniels drove the bus. McDaniels will probably drive that bus off a cliff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 It had to be McDaniels, IMO, because look at who was hired first. McDaniels was hired on January 11 while Xander was promoted to GM on February 12 (Xander had been with the Broncos only since last May). So Bowlen hires McDaniels and then promotes to GM a guy who has only been with the organization a few months and has absolutely no ties to Cassel. Xander had to be on board with the trade, but he was just a passenger while McDaniels drove the bus. McDaniels will probably drive that bus off a cliff. you know shanny is laughing his arse off i would off this years and next years #1 picks and throw in KC as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 you know shanny is laughing his arse off i would off this years and next years #1 picks and throw in KC as well i just said the exact same thing in another thread. grab best wideout available with our #2 and we are looking pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 i just said the exact same thing in another thread. grab best wideout available with our #2 and we are looking pretty good. let's do it...F tanny..i will call up Bowlen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 No matter how McDaniels or whatever his name is and Cutler don't get along, they will NOT trade him. The only reason he was brought up in trade rumors the first place was to get a better system QB. And who the hell do we have as offensive weapons? Besides Leon Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 First of all, Cutler is NOT going anywhere. Secondly, he may be the most overrated QB in the league. He's not as good as people make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Was that one of your coach's pep talks when you played? KSJets' on fire right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I don't rate Cutler as high as most. I think he's very inconsistent and tends to fall apart as the season goes on BUT he's still be a huge upgrade and if there's a chance of getting a franchise QB, get him. I'd trade #17 for him in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 First of all, Cutler is NOT going anywhere. Secondly, he may be the most overrated QB in the league. He's not as good as people make out. Why? Lets hear why. He is very Favre like in that he tries to put the ball into some places that he shouldn't and sometimes it doesn't work out for him, but other than that, how is he over-rated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 who would he throw the ball to? i'd rather use the pick to try to get boldin. ratliff to boldin/cotchery sounds better to me than cutler to cotch/stuckey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Why? Lets hear why. He is very Favre like in that he tries to put the ball into some places that he shouldn't and sometimes it doesn't work out for him, but other than that, how is he over-rated? He's inconsistent, very much so. He gets worse as the season goes on. That being said, he's still a pretty good young QB. When I say he's overrated I;m saying he's not in the borderline elite category which, when listening to some people talk about him, you'd swear he's in. He'd be a franchise QB and in that regard I'd agree with going after him. He wont go anywhere though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 First of all, Cutler is NOT going anywhere. Secondly, he may be the most overrated QB in the league. He's not as good as people make out. he will be traded or joshie gets fired..not sure which Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 he will be traded or joshie gets fired..not sure which Mcdaniels will get fired. Coaches are a dime a dozen. QBs, much harder to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Doubt they'll fire McDaniels before he coaches one ****ing game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Doubt they'll fire McDaniels before he coaches one ****ing game! didn't wally backman get fired b4 first game:D i think jay will be traded...shanny is getting quite the laugh for sure Mumbles trees do not plant well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Doubt they'll fire McDaniels before he coaches one ****ing game! McDaniels definately won't get fired this year. 2010 is a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This years 1st (#17) Next years 1st & Clemens for Cutler If the JETS actually offered this... they would take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This years 1st (#17) Next years 1st & Clemens for Cutler If the JETS actually offered this... they would take it. Is it crazy that I would make that deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Doubt they'll fire McDaniels before he coaches one ****ing game! Of course not. But if his start is any indication, he should not get too comfortable in Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Is it crazy that I would make that deal? No... I would make it 9 out of 10 times... Lets say the JETS draft Sanchez... thats a #1 on an unproven QB who wont be ready for a few years... why not just burn 2 #1's... (hoping of course that the next years #1 is a very late round pick ) Clemens would be just an extra expendable piece at that point but valuable to them as a backup or someone to start until their new rookie is ready... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 This years 1st (#17) Next years 1st & Clemens for Cutler If the JETS actually offered this... they would take it. I also think the Broncos would take that. BUT, that's too much value IMO. That trade right there is the equivelent of draft pick compensation for signing another a Franchise Tagged QB from another team. If Cutler was an UFA with a franchise tag, that's what the Jets would have to give up to sign him. But teams usually try to work out a trade to give up less. So, why should the Jets be willing to give up the maximum off the bat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Is it crazy that I would make that deal? Yes. You would be trading 2 first round picks for a sub .500 Qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Yes. You would be trading 2 first round picks for a sub .500 Qb. Is that due to the offense? Or Denver's impressive defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I also think the Broncos would take that. BUT, that's too much value IMO. That trade right there is the equivelent of draft pick compensation for signing another a Franchise Tagged QB from another team. If Cutler was an UFA with a franchise tag, that's what the Jets would have to give up to sign him. But teams usually try to work out a trade to give up less. So, why should the Jets be willing to give up the maximum off the bat? How about this... The #17 pick A conditional pick in 2010 (No pick if he does not start all 16 games because of a health issue not a coaches decision/ 4th if he also hits 3000 yards and 20 TDs / 3rd if he also wins 8 games / 2nd if the JETS also make the playoffs / 1st if the JETS make the Superbowl. & Clemens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 If the organization thinks that we're Jay Cutler away from being a Super Bowl team I would do the deal that ECURB proposed. 2009 1st Round Pick 2010 1st Round Pick Clemens or Ratliff or Ainge for Jay Cutler Because, hey, if the organization thinks all we need is Cutler than that 1st round pick next season should be in the 30's. Its well worth that for a PROVEN very good, potentially great Quarterback instead of taking a guy like Mark Sanchez or Josh Freeman at 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 How about this... The #17 pick A conditional pick in 2010 (No pick if he does not start all 16 games because of a health issue not a coaches decision/ 4th if he also hits 3000 yards and 20 TDs / 3rd if he also wins 8 games / 2nd if the JETS also make the playoffs / 1st if the JETS make the Superbowl. & Clemens why take the chance and let bucs or queens get him? if we got cutler, our 2010 pick will be in high twenties Make the move, he is a stud and worth the picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Is that due to the offense? Or Denver's impressive defense? IDK, he definitely **** the bed during the last 3 games of the year. Obviously the fact that his D is absolutely terrible doesnt help the guy, but its like we always say, you judge a QB based of W's or L's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 If the organization thinks that we're Jay Cutler away from being a Super Bowl team I would do the deal that ECURB proposed. 2009 1st Round Pick 2010 1st Round Pick Clemens or Ratliff or Ainge for Jay Cutler Because, hey, if the organization thinks all we need is Cutler than that 1st round pick next season should be in the 30's. Its well worth that for a PROVEN very good, potentially great Quarterback instead of taking a guy like Mark Sanchez or Josh Freeman at 17. It is well worth it if he can take the JETS deep into the playoffs... a 1st round pick is no guarantee... (Gholston) to make an impact... so giving up 2 of them for a sure thing is not as big of a deal as some think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 IJ, remember that Eli was (and still is to this day) wildly inconsistent. If you put together a good team around them, that inconsistency isn't as glaring as when an inconsistent QB is asked to carry the entire team on his back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 why take the chance and let bucs or queens get him? if we got cutler, our 2010 pick will be in high twenties Make the move, he is a stud and worth the picks I like ECURB's idea of a 2010 conditional pick on top of the 17th overall. But it's highly doubtful that the Bucs or Queens are giving up 2 1st rounders for Cutler. It's been a long time since a team traded 2 1st rounders for a veteran player. It happened often in the first part of the decade, but I think it's been at least 6 years since it's happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 It is well worth it if he can take the JETS deep into the playoffs... a 1st round pick is no guarantee... (Gholston) to make an impact... so giving up 2 of them for a sure thing is not as big of a deal as some think... For once I'm in agreement with you ECURB. I'm scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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