New York Mick Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 We can still get MIKE. If you mean Vick hell no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 We've been bad for 40 plus years. I don't mind trying a new approach We won the Superbowl last year? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 still like shaun hill anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 We need a solid backup who will push Geno Smith lets not get into the Mark Sanchez this is my starting job and Mark Brunell isn't gonna take it cushy routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Whenever the Jets go hard for a player, they never get him. Its only when they go soft do they get their man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 We won the Superbowl last year? No? Nope and we haven't won it switching QBs, GMs and coaches every 5 minutes either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Nope and we haven't won it switching QBs, GMs and coaches every 5 minutes either. OK, just checking because I thought I read or heard that we were in the Superbowl with Miami in week 16 last year. My Bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 A QB like McCown would come here because he knows 1. He'll get paid and 2. He can start. There aren't a lot of other franchises out there that have such a vulnerable incumbent and a coach that plays to win games 17-13. while not terrible, McCown would be 3rd or 4th on my list. Using your same logic, I think the Jets are a good fit for Gabbert once he's released from JAX. He's still only 24 yrs old and would benefit from Morningwhig and Lee. First choice is still Cousins for a 3rd. Both Gabbert and Cousins are instant upgrades at QB and would still let the team use their picks to improve the supporting cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 while not terrible, McCown would be 3rd or 4th on my list. Using your same logic, I think the Jets are a good fit for Gabbert once he's released from JAX. He's still only 24 yrs old and would benefit from Morningwhig and Lee. First choice is still Cousins for a 3rd. Both Gabbert and Cousins are instant upgrades at QB and would still let the team use their picks to improve the supporting cast. Didn't the REDSKINS just announce that they are in no way trading Cousins. Now, I know its smokescreen time, and they obviously want to drive up his price (higher picks), but it genuinely sounds like (given RGIII' fragility) that they are dead set on keeping him. what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I don't think Sanchez can possibly succeed anywhere. That said, it would be 1000X worse for Idzik and the Jets if Sanchez went somewhere else and succeeded than if he stayed here and succeeded. If the Jets are thinking like this, they have poopie for their brains. There decision should only be on whether or not Sanchez can succeed, and if he has any value for the Jets at a price he would be willing to play for. Yeah that line from a team "insider" makes no sense. Agree with your first sentence, but if Sanchez succeeded here how is that bad for Idzik? Because he used a 2nd round pick on a QB in his first season as GM? Tannenbaum did the exact same thing and he survived for years here despite Clemens ending up as a waste of a high draft pick. That insider is a fool. Idzik is going to dump him #1 because he's a terrible QB who is more of a goofball frat boy than a team leader, #2 because he's way too expensive despite #1, and #3 the team doesn't need the drama of Sanchez vs Smith part II. If Idzik thought Sanchez would succeed elsewhere he would look a thousand times worse than if he succeeded here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 McCown will come here and the Jets will suddenly realize 1. He does not have Brandon Marshall 2. He does not have Alshon Jefferies and 3. He does not have Matt Forte as a check down. So what does this mean ? Forget the 109 QB rating and we're back to the 11 years 5 team scenario. guy's a backup. probably should be with 5 teams in 11 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 while not terrible, McCown would be 3rd or 4th on my list. Using your same logic, I think the Jets are a good fit for Gabbert once he's released from JAX. He's still only 24 yrs old and would benefit from Morningwhig and Lee. First choice is still Cousins for a 3rd. Both Gabbert and Cousins are instant upgrades at QB and would still let the team use their picks to improve the supporting cast. Cousins isn't going to be traded and Gabbert is not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Cousins isn't going to be traded and Gabbert is not good. Let's see what Gabbert can do on a real team with a real OC. He's never really had much of a chance in Jax, he's 24 yrs old, and he has all of the physical tools to succeed. Cousins is more available than what you read online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Let's see what Gabbert can do on a real team with a real OC. He's never really had much of a chance in Jax, he's 24 yrs old, and he has all of the physical tools to succeed. Cousins is more available than what you read online. Even if Cousins is available, he isn't very good either. Neither he or Gabbert is an upgrade over Geno or Sanchez, which is saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Even if Cousins is available, he isn't very good either. Neither he or Gabbert is an upgrade over Geno or Sanchez, which is saying something. We'll just agree to disagree on this one. I think both Gabbert and Cousins are upgrades over any QB on the Jets roster. Gabbert is probably going to be released by Jax and could be signed for almost nothing. I can't imagine Geno beating out Gabbert in an open competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 We'll just agree to disagree on this one. I think both Gabbert and Cousins are upgrades over any QB on the Jets roster. Gabbert is probably going to be released by Jax and could be signed for almost nothing. I can't imagine Geno beating out Gabbert in an open competition. Didn't Gabbert get beat out by Henne? Or was it an injury thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Didn't Gabbert get beat out by Henne? Or was it an injury thing? I think it was a bit of both, He got injured but came back and played awful, and then Henne took over and actually played pretty well. Henne , I think is better than Gabbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Didn't Gabbert get beat out by Henne? Or was it an injury thing? injury, but it didn't really matter. Gabbert has sucked for 3 years in Jax, no doubt about it. He still has more promise than most of the retreads that are available via FA. If Gabbert can't beat out Smith than they can cut him in camp and no harm done but I'd at least give him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 in case smith regresses? lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 OK, just checking because I thought I read or heard that we were in the Superbowl with Miami in week 16 last year. My Bad. Nope but knocking a rival out of the playoffs is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 in case smith regresses? lmao He could get worse. He could play like Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Even if Cousins is available, he isn't very good either. Neither he or Gabbert is an upgrade over Geno or Sanchez, which is saying something. why exactly is Cousins not good ? Think of the scenario in which he came to start in Washington this year and tell me if that's a good situation for any QB to be in. Shanahan mailed it in mid season and so did his team then Cousins was thrown to the wolves. Anyone who hires that moron at this stage deserves what they get. Elway and Davis made him and when they were gone so was Shanahans coaching genius. Good coaches always seem to win where ever they go Shanahan is not one of those coaches he's not Andy Reid he's not Don Shula and he's not the Cheater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 McCown sucked his whole career, then he gets put with QB mastermind Trestman, and now hes suddenly a great QB??? No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 He could get worse. He could play like Sanchez. sure.. but "if he regresses" implies that if he stays the same we're good... that sentance should start "if smith doesn't get a sh*t ton* better" *i wantes to use crusher as a synonym of sh*t ton but didn't think "get a crusher better" would make sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Nope but knocking a rival out of the playoffs is a good thing. Could not agree more, great win, and build on it, BUT don't turn it into something its not. Whats the old saying? "Act like you been there before". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I honestly don't believe anything Manish says.. Wouldn't mind McCown as backup though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 in case smith regresses? lmao Yeah, he hasn't really gressed yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I honestly don't believe anything Manish says.. Wouldn't mind McCown as backup though. If McCown comes, he's not the backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 If McCown comes, he's not the backup. Disagree. Geno gets first shot at starting, McCown like last year would be backup, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Disagree. Geno gets first shot at starting, McCown like last year would be backup, IMO. Where did you hear that? The last time our GM and Coach spoke, both were suspiciously non-committal on our starter, and this even before we have signed any FA or draft pick. Now our coach, I tend to believe absolutely nothing that he says (especially when he waxes poetically about the dude with the Beret in his hair), but I do trust Idzik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Where did you hear that? The last time our GM and Coach spoke, both were suspiciously non-committal on our starter, and this even before we have signed any FA or draft pick. Now our coach, I tend to believe absolutely nothing that he says (especially when he waxes poetically about the dude with the Beret in his hair), but I do trust Idzik. I didn't hear it anywhere, I said in my opinion. Geno can make some serious strides in year 2. It's not like the Jets are going to win the Superbowl with McCown as starter anyway lol See how Geno improves from year 1 to 2 and see what you got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I didn't hear it anywhere, I said in my opinion. Geno can make some serious strides in year 2. It's not like the Jets are going to win the Superbowl with McCown as starter anyway lol See how Geno improves from year 1 to 2 and see what you got. So you basically, DONT want the competition. You want to hand Geno the Job for his to lose. I'm not saying this to be snide or anything, I'm just wondering if this is what you want, or you feel that Geno would beat out McCown anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 So you basically, DONT want the competition. You want to hand Geno the Job for his to lose. I'm not saying this to be snide or anything, I'm just wondering if this is what you want, or you feel that Geno would beat out McCown anyway? If the Jets bring in McCown I feel as if Geno would beat him out for the job. I liked what I saw the last month of the season and I think Geno in his 2nd year of MM's system would make some serious strides. That's just how I feel about the situation, but then again I do have more faith in Geno than most as I've stated on JN before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Geno bash in 3... 2... 1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 If the Jets bring in McCown I feel as if Geno would beat him out for the job. I liked what I saw the last month of the season and I think Geno in his 2nd year of MM's system would make some serious strides. That's just how I feel about the situation, but then again I do have more faith in Geno than most as I've stated on JN before. Oh OK, so you do want the competition but Feel Geno would beat out McCown. I disagree but that's fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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