AFJF Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Offense: Four of the five O-lineman had overall positive grades, and the only one who didn't (Giacomini) was at the "ceiling" for average Geno Smith and Jeff Cumberland were the only offensive players to earn negative ratings. The entire offensive line earned above average grades in run blocking, no surprise there. All other offensive grades fell were in the "average" range. Defense: Demario Davis earned the only overall above average grade of 1.4 and every other player was in the "average" category. So nobody was great, but nobody was terrible. Very disappointing snap count for the rooks who were supposed to get some playing time: TJ Barnes- 8 plays Ik Inemkpali- 6 plays Trevor Reilly- 2 plays Quinton Coples had 3 QB hits Sheldon Richardson had 2 QB hits Darrin Walls did a solid job on Mike Wallace...targeted four times, two receptions for only 26 yds and 3 YAC, Wallace got a big 25 yarder against Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBallhawk Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Four of the five O-lineman had overall positive grades, and the only one who didn't (Giacomini) was at the "ceiling" for average Paging "pointman". Guess your evaluation skills need some work... As for the young guys, it sucks, I thought IK and Barnes would get plenty of playing time but I guess Rex decided to keep them on the sideline with the game being so close and rather play guys like Ellis and Babin that chump. I'm sure IK & Barnes will get plenty snaps next week. Hopefully Babin/Pace/Landry are the next guys to be axed. Coples looked really good and comfortable @ DE in the 3-4, I was surprised. He gets a great push, very strong and athletic for a 3-4 End. Reminds me a little bit of that guy from the Saints (Cam Jordan), just scheme wise and their style. Barnes looked really good, had a huge stop despite barely getting any snaps. Ellis of course again was great, he really can't be blocked 1 on 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Yes what happened to playing at least some of the young defensive guys-thanks Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Coples lol He must have hit the QB while I was takin a piss...zero impact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Paging "pointman". Guess your evaluation skills need some work... As for the young guys, it sucks, I thought IK and Barnes would get plenty of playing time but I guess Rex decided to keep them on the sideline with the game being so close and rather play guys like Ellis and Babin that chump. I'm sure IK & Barnes will get plenty snaps next week. Hopefully Babin/Pace/Landry are the next guys to be axed. Coples looked really good and comfortable @ DE in the 3-4, I was surprised. He gets a great push, very strong and athletic for a 3-4 End. Reminds me a little bit of that guy from the Saints (Cam Jordan), just scheme wise and their style. Barnes looked really good, had a huge stop despite barely getting any snaps. Ellis of course again was great, he really can't be blocked 1 on 1. Coples has excellent hands at the POA. IMO it's his best attribute. Great idea having him play in space last two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Coples has excellent hands at the POA. IMO it's his best attribute. Well that and he throws one hell of a friggin' clothesline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Very disappointing snap count for the rooks who were supposed to get some playing time: TJ Barnes- 8 plays Ik Inemkpali- 6 plays Trevor Reilly- 2 plays #Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 The main problem with the Jets is the QB. It's really that simple. It's a passing league and they can't pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Yes what happened to playing at least some of the young defensive guys-thanks Rex Idzik gave the old pocket veto to rex's request for a permission slip allowing him to play those guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 How do you say Mike Wallace caught a 25 yard pass on Harris? That is obviously zone, since Harris isn't manning up on Wallace. 25 yards is pretty deep for Harris to drop. Walls also had a PI that was blatant but called about 33 seconds after the whistle. TJ Barnes is playing the right amount of snaps. I thought IK was out there more than that. I didn't notice Reilly out there at all. I saw IK rushing the passer and doing that Coples thing where he lines up to bump the WR. I guess it was one series. Babin played too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 How do you say Mike Wallace caught a 25 yard pass on Harris? That is obviously zone, since Harris isn't manning up on Wallace. 25 yards is pretty deep for Harris to drop. Walls also had a PI that was blatant but called about 33 seconds after the whistle. TJ Barnes is playing the right amount of snaps. I thought IK was out there more than that. I didn't notice Reilly out there at all. I saw IK rushing the passer and doing that Coples thing where he lines up to bump the WR. I guess it was one series. Babin played too much. Going by the PFF chart breakdown. They cover every defender matched up on every receiver and they have Harris Wallace credited as having caught one pass against Harris for 25 yds. It was actually a 13 yd catch with 12 yd YAC. Could be that it was caught short in Harris' zone and then he got away from him. Basically saying Wallace had one catch in a zone Harris was covering from what I gather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Going by the PFF chart breakdown. They cover every defender matched up on every receiver and they have Harris Wallace credited as having caught one pass against Harris for 25 yds. It was actually a 13 yd catch with 12 yd YAC. Could be that it was caught short in Harris' zone and then he got away from him. Basically saying Wallace had one catch in a zone Harris was covering from what I gather. I'm sure. IMO that is basically impossible to judge. When you are playing zone, the catches aren't really on "a guy" unless it is a blown coverage like Antonio Allen on the first TD against the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 any discussion of the defense is missing the point. They gave up 16 points that's a good job by 2014 NFL standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Idzik gave the old pocket veto to rex's request for a permission slip allowing him to play those guys if anything, you got that backwards. Rex has no reason to play Idzik's young guys, given Rex won't be here, and he (apparently/supposedly) is being a dick to Idzik now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'm sure. IMO that is basically impossible to judge. When you are playing zone, the catches aren't really on "a guy" unless it is a blown coverage like Antonio Allen on the first TD against the Pats. Agreed...PFF is far from a science, but they're the only site that does what they do. Even if they "get it wrong" sometimes, they still offer more in depth breakdown than anyone else. I like looking at the numbers but sometimes there are some questionable grades to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 any discussion of the defense is missing the point. They gave up 16 points that's a good job by 2014 NFL standards. Especially for a team that scored 36 against Denver. Jets had no business shutting this team down the way they did. Sixteen points is excellent in this video game league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 any discussion of the defense is missing the point. They gave up 16 points that's a good job by 2014 NFL standards. If the Jets could ask the NFL to have scores given up in the last drives of halves to be worth only 2 points, the Jets defense would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Gotta admit, Walls, who I've been pretty hard on, has turned it around lately. He's still not very good. Definitely not a starting corner...but he's at least a decent depth guy moving forward. Defense played great last night. Geno Smith is the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Especially for a team that scored 36 against Denver. Jets had no business shutting this team down the way they did. Sixteen points is excellent in this video game league. And look how much the Jets scored against Pittsburgh! They had no business scoring that many. This team is awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Four of the five O-lineman had overall positive grades, and the only one who didn't (Giacomini) was at the "ceiling" for average of course they earned positive grades. they ran the ball 75% of the time. which is their strength, especially against a team like Miami which is known for their pass defense. what brought their grades down from being excellent, is the 25% of the time in which they had to pass block. because they are horrible at pass blocking. top that off with a qb that is horrible at passing and receivers that are horrible at catching and people wonder why the jets ran the ball 50 times last night. its not rocket science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Agreed...PFF is far from a science, but they're the only site that does what they do. Even if they "get it wrong" sometimes, they still offer more in depth breakdown than anyone else. I like looking at the numbers but sometimes there are some questionable grades to say the least. yeah it's not perfect but for a fan like me it's a nice approximation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 of course they earned positive grades. they ran the ball 75% of the time. which is their strength, especially against a team like Miami which is known for their pass defense. what brought their grades down from being excellent, is the 25% of the time in which they had to pass block. because they are horrible at pass blocking. top that off with a qb that is horrible at passing and receivers that are horrible at catching and people wonder why the jets ran the ball 50 times last night. its not rocket science Miami has a damn good front, and the pass blocking graded out as average. Honestly not sure how as Geno got blown up a couple times despite very few attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 yeah it's not perfect but for a fan like me it's a nice approximation That's exactly how I treat it. It won't be 100% accurate, but if you're breaking down every single play over the course of a whole game or a whole season, it's going to give you a nice idea as to how somebody is performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 The main problem with the Jets is the QB. It's really that simple. It's a passing league and they can't pass. Since it's been the main problem for over a decade it's clearly not the "main problem". Our biggest problems are a bad owner who has created an environment with no clear chain of command and who hires buffoons who collectively can't properly evaluate talent. That's no easy fix unless you get lucky and a guy like Mariota transcends organizational failings. SEE: Manning, Peyton and Luck, Andrew. The Colts are the only consistent winning organization with a bad owner. They got very lucky to tank at the right time....twice. So it's really not "that simple" unless you're Bitonti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Gotta admit, Walls, who I've been pretty hard on, has turned it around lately. He's still not very good. Definitely not a starting corner...but he's at least a decent depth guy moving forward. Defense played great last night. Geno Smith is the worst. Agreed on Walls. Spot starter. That is more than I had expected from him. The other guy (Marcus WIilliams) actually looks decent too, though they are obviously incapable of doing what we want. Agree on Geno too, but ... duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Agreed on Walls. Spot starter. That is more than I had expected from him. The other guy (Marcus WIilliams) actually looks decent too, though they are obviously incapable of doing what we want. Agree on Geno too, but ... duh. The way Walls started this season, I expected him to work himself out of the league. Williams seems like he might have some game. Both solid depth guys. Counting on them to play on the outside every game is a disaster, go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 And look how much the Jets scored against Pittsburgh! They had no business scoring that many. This team is awesome! Jets scoring is an aberration, Miami being held to 16 points has only happened one other time this season. Their offense is consistently good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Jets scoring is an aberration, Miami being held to 16 points has only happened one other time this season. Their offense is consistently good. Jet winning is the aberration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 Jet winning is the aberration Yes, that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Everything bad that happens is because of Tannenbaum and Idzik. Everything good that happens is because of Rex. It's really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Everything bad that happens is because of Tannenbaum and Idzik. Everything good that happens is because of Rex. It's really that simple. no sure why so many here feel a need to pick a side. plenty of blame for everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Godfather III would have totally been loved if people could have just gotten over the fact that Coppola cast his own daughter in a role to have incest. It's really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Crystal Pepsi was a good idea. It's really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Oswald acting alone? Come on. It's really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 How can Aquaman control whales? They're mammals! It's really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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