AFJF Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 averaging roughly 800 yards per season for the first 4 years then being on the decline since year 3 isn't blue chip my friend, dont care what the excuses is. I'd say that's more of an opinion as to what color chip he is...my point was that he's a good player who can be productive and has been productive in the not-so-distant past when healthy and included in the offense. With the QB situation in Buffalo however, it's unlikely he'll be any good this season. Being injured and not having a quality QB is more of a fact than an excuse IMO, but if you're that high on the Geno/Vick that's fine, but I just didn't think they were very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Cimini wrote a column today....In the next 2-3 years, Maccagnan is going to have to start thinking about replacing the old "core 4" of Mangold, Ferguson, Harris, and Revis. These are the big earners on the team today, so when they go off the books, it should be no problem to pay Sheldon, Mo, and others who need to be a part of this team for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keysersoze Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Blah blah blah. Don't even try with me. I'm one of the biggest homers here. We're not winning a title this year. This is the year we set ourselves up to acquire the QB we need and THEN win a title. There's always a reason to tune in even if the team isn't a true contender. Shoot for 9-7 or so this season, trade for Brees/Rivers/draft a QB round 1. Or maybe get lucky with Bryce Petty (very unlikely but can't be ruled out). You really don't think the Jets can win anything this year, even if they don't have a blue-chip QB? With the defense they have, they can't sneak in as a WC and you never know what will happen in the playoffs if they get hot at the right time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 You really don't think the Jets can win anything this year, even if they don't have a blue-chip QB? With the defense they have, they can't sneak in as a WC and you never know what will happen in the playoffs if they get hot at the right time... I think we can get into the postseason, possibly. But we don't have a QB on the roster capable of elevating his play, which is an essential characteristic. You can't win a Super Bowl with a C quarterback, unless that C quarterback can sometimes play like a A- or A sometimes when it matters most. We don't have that on the roster. And again, no team has ever gone from 4-12 to winning the Super Bowl in the modern era of pro football. It's unheard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I'd say that's more of an opinion as to what color chip he is...my point was that he's a good player who can be productive and has been productive in the not-so-distant past when healthy and included in the offense. With the QB situation in Buffalo however, it's unlikely he'll be any good this season. Being injured and not having a quality QB is more of a fact than an excuse IMO, but if you're that high on the Geno/Vick that's fine, but I just didn't think they were very good. No one is denying that he's a good player, im denying that he's a blue chip player. There is a difference, if there wasnt then the distinction would be irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Overpaid for cromartie lol Listing him as a blue chipper is a real stretch, me thinks. The fact that we spent that much money makes it a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 No one is denying that he's a good player, im denying that he's a blue chip player. There is a difference, if there wasnt then the distinction would be irrelevant. As I said...that's all a matter of opinion. Blue chip, white chip or any other color chip isn't really of any importance. What matters is that he's a difficult player to defend when he has a decent QB throwing him the football. I'm glad that's unlikely to be the case this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 Listing him as a blue chipper is a real stretch, me thinks. The fact that we spent that much money makes it worse. I really think he just counted every offseason addition on his lists. Some of those names make no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I'm sure this article is going to get a lot of support up in NE. It's a part of the conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 As I said...that's all a matter of opinion. Blue chip, white chip or any other color chip isn't really of any importance. What matters is that he's a difficult player to defend when he has a decent QB throwing him the football. I'm glad that's unlikely to be the case this year. It is of importance given that its the topic of this particular thread. Outside of this thread he's a threat, no doubt, but he's been more of a gadget guy than anything else. Thats not bluechip my friend. He's a good player, just not a bluechip player. And yes, thats my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 No one is denying that he's a good player, im denying that he's a blue chip player. There is a difference, if there wasnt then the distinction would be irrelevant. What is the coding system? Like where does blue start? What chip precedes it? What color chip was Vernon Gholston? This info will help me settle the tie between the two of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 What color chip was Vernon Gholston? This info will help me settle the tie between the two of you. Vernon was brown ... sh!t brindle brown, to be precise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 So I was feeling all chipper on seeing the JETS were at #4. But then I saw Buffalo at #2. Sounds like a very genuine list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Well one of BUF's 'blue chippers' is taking a four-week unpaid vacation at the start of the season. So there's that. Also, if you want to talk about the best DL in the NFL, you'd sort of have to at least include the Rams in the discussion, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 you can have all the talent in the world, but when Geno Smith is your starting QB you aren't an elite team. More of a wild card team at best, especially with the Pats* in the same division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 What? No Mangold? The guy is Pro Bowl every year. Sometimes more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 you can have all the talent in the world, but when Geno Smith is your starting QB you aren't an elite team. More of a wild card team at best, especially with the Pats* in the same division. As the article says, even this guy led his team to the Super Bowl. If he can do it, so can Geno. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Agl8P4EQtE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I think we can get into the postseason, possibly. But we don't have a QB on the roster capable of elevating his play, which is an essential characteristic. You can't win a Super Bowl with a C quarterback, unless that C quarterback can sometimes play like a A- or A sometimes when it matters most. We don't have that on the roster. And again, no team has ever gone from 4-12 to winning the Super Bowl in the modern era of pro football. It's unheard of. This is a very good post but I honestly don't believe that any sane poster is really believing that the Jets will be in the SB next year. I think the vast majority of posters are just looking for a competitive team and a team that has a chance at the post season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 No one is denying that he's a good player, im denying that he's a blue chip player. There is a difference, if there wasnt then the distinction would be irrelevant. Saw a great quote the other day regarding Tannehill. Essentially it said, "We've been debating how good he can be since 2011." It's the same thing with Percy. At some point, you just have to admit that a guy is what he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 What? No Mangold? The guy is Pro Bowl every year. Sometimes more. 4) New York Jets Blue chips (6): CB Antonio Cromartie, C Nick Mangold, WR Brandon Marshall, CB Darrelle Revis, DT Sheldon Richardson, DE Muhammad Wilkerson. On the rise: LB Demario Davis. Mangold's a rock at the pivot, having made six of the last seven Pro Bowls. He's listed among the team's "blue chips", as he should be. And his probowls are noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 The Jets are easily a top five team in terms of talent. However, they are still lacking at the most pivotal position on the field. Which was the point of the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedAwesome Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Jets just owning the off season as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Jets just owning the off season as usual. Could be worse. They could be showing themselves after Memorial Day weekend at a place where they welched on donating to military veterans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 He's listed among the team's "blue chips", as he should be. And his probowls are noted. Wow. My mistake. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Saw a great quote the other day regarding Tannehill. Essentially it said, "We've been debating how good he can be since 2011." It's the same thing with Percy. At some point, you just have to admit that a guy is what he is. I agree with the quote when referring it to a percy harvin & Ryan Fitzpatrick (for us Jets fans lol) but I wouldnt apply that to Ryan Tannehill. Ryan Tannehill is a very good QB, easily a top 15 in this league. Tannehill has progressed every year. He's thrown for more yards than the year prior, his completion %'age has gone up than the year prior, his TD's and QBR as well. He threw less INT's than his two prior years as well as fumbles, his Rating has gone up every year. Tannehill completed 67% of his passes (threw 600 passes), granted, he throws ALOT of short/intermediate passes but that's the way his offense operates given that Tannehill is a below average down field thrower. He's more of a system QB, but he's very good in that system so I have to respect it. Tannehill is averaging 4000 passing yards his last 2 years, yet has only been in the league for 3 years. Tannehill is a much better QB than Percy is a WR. Percy's last 3 years in comparison to his first 3 is horrible. Tannehill is also a threat to run the ball, averaging over 5 yards per. Tannehill is a better, non-injury prone Jake Locker type, minus the deep ball. When its all said and done 2012 will end up being a special year for QB's. It has a little bit of everything. You'll have a few HOF'ers, a few Ring of Honors, a "Cant miss" 1st overall QB (Luck), a "Diamond in the Rough" QB (Tannehill), an absolute sleeper who could end up having the most successful career of them all (Wilson), your "Flashers" (Nick Foles, Brock Osweiler), your typical bust that a team sold the entire farm for (RG3) and lastly your "overhyped career back up" by fans of teams looking for a franchise QB (Kirk Cousins). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 This is a very good post but I honestly don't believe that any sane poster is really believing that the Jets will be in the SB next year. I think the vast majority of posters are just looking for a competitive team and a team that has a chance at the post season. We have sane posters here??? News to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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