AFJF Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Thank God we got so much better at drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Thank God we got so much better at drafting. Personnel Guyz 4 Lyfe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 We are draft day cursed and Super Bowl cursed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 19 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Thank God we got so much better at drafting. Word. Mac's first 7th round pick will have a better career than 12 of Idzik's 13 picks in '14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, AFJF said: Word. Mac's first 7th round pick will have a better career than 12 of Idzik's 13 picks in '14. Admittedly, coming away with two DT's in two drafts makes the fact that every other pick could retire tomorrow and no one would notice seem less upsetting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I was actually excited abut a draft where we had 75 picks. I thought, hey the odds are..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Beerfish said: I was actually excited abut a draft where we had 75 picks. I thought, hey the odds are..... Idzik deservedly takes the fall for that, but it's an indictment of the entire organization that those picks failed like that. Every scout, every coach, every personnel hack should have been purged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Idzik deservedly takes the fall for that, but it's an indictment of the entire organization that those picks failed like that. Every scout, every coach, every personnel hack should have been purged. 100% for sure a case where avg joe mock draft fan would have done better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Basically the average NFL career for guys who make rosters is something like 3 plus years. So some of these players are almost ancient history because it's like 4 years since Idzik's first draft. Even guys like Sammy Watkins who were top picks are on the bubble at least with their original teams. The NFL landscape of players is changing drastically every 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: 100% for sure a case where avg joe mock draft fan would have done better. I think the sh*t-ass beat reporters are missing out on a goldmine by not writing a book about the lead-up to that draft. Like, if you told me that Idzik just really hated Rex, hated Woody, and hated his job and and tried to pull a Major League so he could get out of it, I'd completely buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 22 minutes ago, Beerfish said: 100% for sure a case where avg joe mock draft fan would have done better. Fortunately, this would never happen now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 52 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Idzik deservedly takes the fall for that, but it's an indictment of the entire organization that those picks failed like that. Every scout, every coach, every personnel hack should have been purged. I think they all were, so there is justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 There should be a off beat comedy written about the 14 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Idzik deservedly takes the fall for that, but it's an indictment of the entire organization that those picks failed like that. Every scout, every coach, every personnel hack should have been purged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 i'm surprised that even one of them is still in the nfl (besides shelly, pryor and winters) let alone on the cowboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Beerfish said: 100% for sure a case where avg joe mock draft fan would have done better. Yep. Absolutely pathetic. If you used took Kiper's "best available" each time the Jets were up, you would have had a better draft than the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Honestly no idea who that is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: Idzik deservedly takes the fall for that, but it's an indictment of the entire organization that those picks failed like that. Every scout, every coach, every personnel hack should have been purged. Interestingly enough, Idzik did some college "scouting" of his own during the 2013 college football season. I know for sure that Pryor was Idzik's pick all the way. He went down to UCF to watch Louisville at UCF and came back with a hardon for Pryor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 45 minutes ago, detectivekimble said: Interestingly enough, Idzik did some college "scouting" of his own during the 2013 college football season. I know for sure that Pryor was Idzik's pick all the way. He went down to UCF to watch Louisville at UCF and came back with a hardon for Pryor. Yeah, as much as I'd love to hang Pryor around Rex's neck, I recall the story about Idzik calling Rex and telling him "you're gonna love this guy" or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 If we hadn't got Gailey as OC, maybe Jace Amaro could have panned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 5 hours ago, joewilly12 said: We are draft day cursed and Super Bowl cursed..... and every thing in between has been roses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 1 hour ago, detectivekimble said: Interestingly enough, Idzik did some college "scouting" of his own during the 2013 college football season. I know for sure that Pryor was Idzik's pick all the way. He went down to UCF to watch Louisville at UCF and came back with a hardon for Pryor. As Tanny had a Hardon for Vlad. They are both numbers guys with little ability to see the forest from the trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Mac's drafts have been as bad or worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 41 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said: If we hadn't got Gailey as OC, maybe Jace Amaro could have panned out. Sucked in Tennesee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 ahhh, well Idzik was the worst GM ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Just now, Fantasy Island said: ahhh, well Idzik was the worst GM ever. Mac is giving him competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 9 hours ago, T0mShane said: Admittedly, coming away with two DT's in two drafts makes the fact that every other pick could retire tomorrow and no one would notice seem less upsetting. It wouldn't be upsetting to you @T0mShane, (but not much is) but for those of us who were encouraged by the likes of Anderson, Shell, Burris, and Jenkins along with Leo and Simon...we are actually looking forward to watch them take what we hope will be the next step toward being quality NFL starters. Even Peake gets a pass for last season IMO. When the QB play is as bad as the Jets had, how productive is a part-time seventh round receiver going to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 5 hours ago, thadude said: Mac is giving him competition So hard to figure out which one was worse when you look at this..... Misc Passing Rushing Receiving Year Rnd Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2016 1 Darron Lee 20 OLB 2016 0 0 1 4 13 1.0 Ohio St. 2016 2 Christian Hackenberg 51 QB 0 0 0 Penn St. 2016 3 Jordan Jenkins 83 OLB 2016 0 0 1 5 14 2.5 Georgia 2016 4 Juston Burris 118 CB 2016 0 0 0 1 16 1 North Carolina St. 2016 5 Brandon Shell 158 T 2016 0 0 0 2 8 South Carolina 2016 7 Lac Edwards 235 P 2016 0 0 1 0 16 1 0 0 Sam Houston St. 2016 7 Charone Peake 241 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 15 19 186 0 Clemson Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2015 1 Leonard Williams 6 DE 2016 0 1 1 19 32 10.0 USC 2015 2 Devin Smith 37 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 14 10 135 1 Ohio St. 2015 3 Lorenzo Mauldin 82 OLB 2016 0 0 0 4 26 1 6.5 Louisville 2015 4 Bryce Petty 103 QB 2016 0 0 0 2 6 75 133 809 3 7 5 19 0 Baylor 2015 5 Jarvis Harrison 152 G 0 0 0 Texas A&M 2015 7 Deon Simon 223 NT 2016 0 0 0 2 16 1.5 NW State (LA) Vs This.... 2014 1 Calvin Pryor 18 DB 2016 0 0 3 14 44 2 0.5 Louisville 2014 2 Jace Amaro 49 TE 2016 0 0 0 4 17 41 404 2 Texas Tech 2014 3 Dexter McDougle 80 DB 2016 0 0 0 1 20 Maryland 2014 4 Jalen Saunders 104 WR 2014 0 0 0 0 15 1 7 0 Oklahoma 2014 4 Shaquelle Evans 115 WR 0 0 0 UCLA 2014 4 Dakota Dozier 137 OL 2016 0 0 0 1 17 Furman 2014 5 Jeremiah George 154 LB 2015 0 0 0 1 21 Iowa St. 2014 6 Brandon Dixon 195 DB 2014 0 0 0 1 14 1 NW Missouri St. 2014 6 Quincy Enunwa 209 WR 2016 0 0 1 9 29 1 12 0 80 1172 4 Nebraska 2014 6 IK Enemkpali 210 DT 2015 0 0 0 1 17 Louisiana Tech 2014 6 Tajh Boyd 213 QB 0 0 0 Clemson 2014 7 Trevor Reilly 233 LB 2016 0 0 0 2 31 1.0 Utah Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2013 1 Dee Milliner 9 DB 2015 0 0 1 6 21 3 Alabama 2013 1 Sheldon Richardson 13 DT 2016 0 1 2 26 58 4 4 2 18.0 Missouri 2013 2 Geno Smith 39 QB 2016 0 0 2 14 33 501 866 5962 28 36 135 647 7 1 13 0 West Virginia 2013 3 Brian Winters 72 G 2016 0 0 3 15 51 Kent St. 2013 5 Oday Aboushi 141 T 2016 0 0 1 7 26 Virginia 2013 6 William Campbell 178 OL 0 0 0 Michigan 2013 7 Tommy Bohanon 215 RB 2015 0 0 1 1 36 20 67 0 17 155 0 Wake Forest Idzik needed 19 picks to find 5 NFL players who are JAG or better (Pryor, Enunwa, Sheldon, Winters, Dozier) and thats' being generous as Dozier only has a couple of starts. Mac has at least 8 guys who have shown they may be able to play in the NFL with 13 picks. 5 out of 19 or 8 out of 13...the similarity is uncanny.. As we always say, you need three years to grade a draft, Mac's first class is about to enter their third season, so saying they're great or terrible at this point is early. What we can say is that they've shown signs of being capable NFL players at the very least...far more than roughly 13 of Idzik's 19 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 50 minutes ago, AFJF said: So hard to figure out which one was worse when you look at this..... Misc Passing Rushing Receiving Year Rnd Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2016 1 Darron Lee 20 OLB 2016 0 0 1 4 13 1.0 Ohio St. 2016 2 Christian Hackenberg 51 QB 0 0 0 Penn St. 2016 3 Jordan Jenkins 83 OLB 2016 0 0 1 5 14 2.5 Georgia 2016 4 Juston Burris 118 CB 2016 0 0 0 1 16 1 North Carolina St. 2016 5 Brandon Shell 158 T 2016 0 0 0 2 8 South Carolina 2016 7 Lac Edwards 235 P 2016 0 0 1 0 16 1 0 0 Sam Houston St. 2016 7 Charone Peake 241 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 15 19 186 0 Clemson Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2015 1 Leonard Williams 6 DE 2016 0 1 1 19 32 10.0 USC 2015 2 Devin Smith 37 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 14 10 135 1 Ohio St. 2015 3 Lorenzo Mauldin 82 OLB 2016 0 0 0 4 26 1 6.5 Louisville 2015 4 Bryce Petty 103 QB 2016 0 0 0 2 6 75 133 809 3 7 5 19 0 Baylor 2015 5 Jarvis Harrison 152 G 0 0 0 Texas A&M 2015 7 Deon Simon 223 NT 2016 0 0 0 2 16 1.5 NW State (LA) Vs This.... 2014 1 Calvin Pryor 18 DB 2016 0 0 3 14 44 2 0.5 Louisville 2014 2 Jace Amaro 49 TE 2016 0 0 0 4 17 41 404 2 Texas Tech 2014 3 Dexter McDougle 80 DB 2016 0 0 0 1 20 Maryland 2014 4 Jalen Saunders 104 WR 2014 0 0 0 0 15 1 7 0 Oklahoma 2014 4 Shaquelle Evans 115 WR 0 0 0 UCLA 2014 4 Dakota Dozier 137 OL 2016 0 0 0 1 17 Furman 2014 5 Jeremiah George 154 LB 2015 0 0 0 1 21 Iowa St. 2014 6 Brandon Dixon 195 DB 2014 0 0 0 1 14 1 NW Missouri St. 2014 6 Quincy Enunwa 209 WR 2016 0 0 1 9 29 1 12 0 80 1172 4 Nebraska 2014 6 IK Enemkpali 210 DT 2015 0 0 0 1 17 Louisiana Tech 2014 6 Tajh Boyd 213 QB 0 0 0 Clemson 2014 7 Trevor Reilly 233 LB 2016 0 0 0 2 31 1.0 Utah Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2013 1 Dee Milliner 9 DB 2015 0 0 1 6 21 3 Alabama 2013 1 Sheldon Richardson 13 DT 2016 0 1 2 26 58 4 4 2 18.0 Missouri 2013 2 Geno Smith 39 QB 2016 0 0 2 14 33 501 866 5962 28 36 135 647 7 1 13 0 West Virginia 2013 3 Brian Winters 72 G 2016 0 0 3 15 51 Kent St. 2013 5 Oday Aboushi 141 T 2016 0 0 1 7 26 Virginia 2013 6 William Campbell 178 OL 0 0 0 Michigan 2013 7 Tommy Bohanon 215 RB 2015 0 0 1 1 36 20 67 0 17 155 0 Wake Forest Idzik needed 19 picks to find 5 NFL players who are JAG or better (Pryor, Enunwa, Sheldon, Winters, Dozier) and thats' being generous as Dozier only has a couple of starts. Mac has at least 8 guys who have shown they may be able to play in the NFL with 13 picks. 5 out of 19 or 8 out of 13...the similarity is uncanny.. As we always say, you need three years to grade a draft, Mac's first class is about to enter their third season, so saying they're great or terrible at this point is early. What we can say is that they've shown signs of being capable NFL players at the very least...far more than roughly 13 of Idzik's 19 picks. What a great post and a welcome breath of fresh air to see around here. Idzik is comparable to no one other than Matt Millen and I would argue he was worse. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 2 hours ago, AFJF said: So hard to figure out which one was worse when you look at this..... Misc Passing Rushing Receiving Year Rnd Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2016 1 Darron Lee 20 OLB 2016 0 0 1 4 13 1.0 Ohio St. 2016 2 Christian Hackenberg 51 QB 0 0 0 Penn St. 2016 3 Jordan Jenkins 83 OLB 2016 0 0 1 5 14 2.5 Georgia 2016 4 Juston Burris 118 CB 2016 0 0 0 1 16 1 North Carolina St. 2016 5 Brandon Shell 158 T 2016 0 0 0 2 8 South Carolina 2016 7 Lac Edwards 235 P 2016 0 0 1 0 16 1 0 0 Sam Houston St. 2016 7 Charone Peake 241 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 15 19 186 0 Clemson Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2015 1 Leonard Williams 6 DE 2016 0 1 1 19 32 10.0 USC 2015 2 Devin Smith 37 WR 2016 0 0 0 1 14 10 135 1 Ohio St. 2015 3 Lorenzo Mauldin 82 OLB 2016 0 0 0 4 26 1 6.5 Louisville 2015 4 Bryce Petty 103 QB 2016 0 0 0 2 6 75 133 809 3 7 5 19 0 Baylor 2015 5 Jarvis Harrison 152 G 0 0 0 Texas A&M 2015 7 Deon Simon 223 NT 2016 0 0 0 2 16 1.5 NW State (LA) Vs This.... 2014 1 Calvin Pryor 18 DB 2016 0 0 3 14 44 2 0.5 Louisville 2014 2 Jace Amaro 49 TE 2016 0 0 0 4 17 41 404 2 Texas Tech 2014 3 Dexter McDougle 80 DB 2016 0 0 0 1 20 Maryland 2014 4 Jalen Saunders 104 WR 2014 0 0 0 0 15 1 7 0 Oklahoma 2014 4 Shaquelle Evans 115 WR 0 0 0 UCLA 2014 4 Dakota Dozier 137 OL 2016 0 0 0 1 17 Furman 2014 5 Jeremiah George 154 LB 2015 0 0 0 1 21 Iowa St. 2014 6 Brandon Dixon 195 DB 2014 0 0 0 1 14 1 NW Missouri St. 2014 6 Quincy Enunwa 209 WR 2016 0 0 1 9 29 1 12 0 80 1172 4 Nebraska 2014 6 IK Enemkpali 210 DT 2015 0 0 0 1 17 Louisiana Tech 2014 6 Tajh Boyd 213 QB 0 0 0 Clemson 2014 7 Trevor Reilly 233 LB 2016 0 0 0 2 31 1.0 Utah Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2013 1 Dee Milliner 9 DB 2015 0 0 1 6 21 3 Alabama 2013 1 Sheldon Richardson 13 DT 2016 0 1 2 26 58 4 4 2 18.0 Missouri 2013 2 Geno Smith 39 QB 2016 0 0 2 14 33 501 866 5962 28 36 135 647 7 1 13 0 West Virginia 2013 3 Brian Winters 72 G 2016 0 0 3 15 51 Kent St. 2013 5 Oday Aboushi 141 T 2016 0 0 1 7 26 Virginia 2013 6 William Campbell 178 OL 0 0 0 Michigan 2013 7 Tommy Bohanon 215 RB 2015 0 0 1 1 36 20 67 0 17 155 0 Wake Forest Idzik needed 19 picks to find 5 NFL players who are JAG or better (Pryor, Enunwa, Sheldon, Winters, Dozier) and thats' being generous as Dozier only has a couple of starts. Mac has at least 8 guys who have shown they may be able to play in the NFL with 13 picks. 5 out of 19 or 8 out of 13...the similarity is uncanny.. As we always say, you need three years to grade a draft, Mac's first class is about to enter their third season, so saying they're great or terrible at this point is early. What we can say is that they've shown signs of being capable NFL players at the very least...far more than roughly 13 of Idzik's 19 picks. Included in that "19 picks" are 7 picks taken in the sixth and seventh rounds. Jace Amaro had 53 catches as a rookie, or 43 more than Devin Smith has had in two seasons. Smith and Lorenzo Mauldin are likely cuts this year, and if they draft a QB, Petty will be gone too. Darron Lee was getting replaced by Julian Stanford and Bruce Carter at times last year and looked like the overmatched gimp strong safety we all knew he'd be even before he had the crippling soft-tissue injury that most 180-pound dudes get when they take steroids to get up to 220 lbs. Brandon Shell showed so much promise that they gave Jags castoff Kelvin Beachum $11 mil to replace him. Let's leave Hackenberg out of this conversation as a small mercy to you. We can hope they improve, but it's blind optimism to suggest that Maccagnan is light years better than anyone, even someone like Idzik, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 lmao @ using some halfcocked imaginary version of batting average as the standard for judging a GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 8 hours ago, thadude said: Mac's drafts have been as bad or worse Are u f*cking kidding me? So he took a flyer on Hackenberg with a 2nd rounder. I'd rather fail picking a QB at 2, then pick Stephen Hill, Vlad Ducasse, and all the rest that have failed since David Harris was taken in the 2nd round. You guys expect too much too soon out of draft picks. My god, every WR Macc took late or picked up as UDFAs is better than all of Idziks picks except Quincy Enunwa who most of you boobs called a bust too. Robbie Anderson might turn out to be better than Quincy when it's all said & done at being a wide receiver. Quincy is a bit of a hybrid who still is working on his hands, though he gets better every year. Ive said this before, a blind folded monkey throwing darts would have probably done a better job than Idzik. I still don't get the Macc hate yet? No GM is gonna draft at 100% success rate. We picked at f*cking 20 last year, who would you have taken over Lee there? Macc is trying to add speed to every level of the defense. If he comes away with Adams in this draft Lee, Adams could be similar to Wagner/Thomas combo in Seattle. Until we get a QB he's gotta find starters & he's doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Included in that "19 picks" are 7 picks taken in the sixth and seventh rounds. Jace Amaro had 53 catches as a rookie, or 43 more than Devin Smith has had in two seasons. Smith and Lorenzo Mauldin are likely cuts this year, and if they draft a QB, Petty will be gone too. Darron Lee was getting replaced by Julian Stanford and Bruce Carter at times last year and looked like the overmatched gimp strong safety we all knew he'd be even before he had the crippling soft-tissue injury that most 180-pound dudes get when they take steroids to get up to 220 lbs. Brandon Shell showed so much promise that they gave Jags castoff Kelvin Beachum $11 mil to replace him. Let's leave Hackenberg out of this conversation as a small mercy to you. We can hope they improve, but it's blind optimism to suggest that Maccagnan is light years better than anyone, even someone like Idzik, yet. What moron GM uses 14 picks in 1 draft without at least 1 trade up...what a fkg idziot He was a complete failure who single handedly set the jets back years. There is no comparison to Macc except from those who actually thought Gen Smith was an NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 13 hours ago, southparkcpa said: As Tanny had a Hardon for Vlad. They are both numbers guys with little ability to see the forest from the trees. I don't know how much Tannenbaum relied on his scouts, but Idzik did what Idzik wanted. Not saying that Rex Ryan -- or any coach -- should be the ones making the draft selections, but other than Tajh Boyd, Rex didn't have much input into any of Idzik's draft picks or FA moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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