HessStation Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Manning or Flynn is not happening. Sanchez with a new OC and QBC along with a healthy McElroy is what we're getting. That's enough to get it done provided other needs are addresses. Dump Hunter, Mulligan, Smith, Leonhard, Conley, Folk, LT, Plax... See if Ellis turns into anything with an offseason program under his belt. Draft a pass rusher, RB, Safety, OL... I'm sure some offseason splash moves are on the horizon. This year was brutal to watch but the future can still be very bright. Resign Pouha and sign Super Mario too. Por favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 sanchez can't throw accurate passes to his running backs on screen passes. there's no way you'll win when the chance of INT to a DL is as high as completion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 And the Jets have Sanchez an even bigger contract based on zero games. And whether a fumble or a pick, it's still a turnover, and I'd argue a fumble is usually more costly because it usually yields better field position for the other team. So while Fitzpatrick led the league in INT's, he didn't lead the league in turnovers. Our wonder dufus did. Those 6 pick 6s Sanchez threw beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 They drafted Kaepernick in the 2nd round. And that was after Smith sucked for six season and was on his fourth head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I believe this to be true. The scary part now is that --gasp-- Tannenbaum has to actually go out and draft good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 The scary part now is that --gasp-- Tannenbaum has to actually go out and draft good players. Like Brick, Mangold, Revis, Harris, Kerly, McKnight, Wilkerson good, or better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 And the Jets have Sanchez an even bigger contract based on zero games. And whether a fumble or a pick, it's still a turnover, and I'd argue a fumble is usually more costly because it usually yields better field position for the other team. So while Fitzpatrick led the league in INT's, he didn't lead the league in turnovers. Our wonder dufus did. Sanchez turned the ball over two more times than Fitzpatrick while scoring eight more TDs. I'll take Sanchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 The scary part now is that --gasp-- Tannenbaum has to actually go out and draft good players. If he pulls a Wilkerson and Kerley each year that will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 And the Jets have Sanchez an even bigger contract based on zero games. And whether a fumble or a pick, it's still a turnover, and I'd argue a fumble is usually more costly because it usually yields better field position for the other team. So while Fitzpatrick led the league in INT's, he didn't lead the league in turnovers. Our wonder dufus did. The Jets are making money on Mark's contract. The same can't be said for a Ryan Fitzpatrick deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 The scary part now is that --gasp-- Tannenbaum has to actually go out and draft good players. I have seen this from you before. I defy you to name thirty players that Tanny has draft that aren't great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Sanchez turned the ball over two more times than Fitzpatrick while scoring eight more TDs. I'll take Sanchez. The Jets are making money on Mark's contract. The same can't be said for a Ryan Fitzpatrick deal. And Sanchez has won a sh*tload more games than Fitzpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I have seen this from you before. I defy you to name thirty players that Tanny has draft that aren't great. Has Tanny even drafted 30 guys? We usually only have 3-4 picks a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I see Matt Flynn and I see Scott Mitchell and Kevin Kolb. You don't pay a guy $50 million based on one game. Hell, the Bills are paying Ryan Fitzpatrick $65 million based on six games, you think they are happy about that right now? Dude wound up leading the league in INTs. Jets paid the sulking little mouse more than that based on zero games. Jets would have won 11-12 games with Fitz at QB. Clearly a better player than Sanchez and can actually complete a 25 yd pass. You bring up Scott Mitchell and Kolb but dont mention a guy like Schaub because it doesnt support your position. (Kolb is still unknown quantity due to injuries) Who knows if Flynn will become top tier but we already know the answer with Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Like Brick, Mangold, Revis, Harris, Kerly, McKnight, Wilkerson good, or better? Brick.Mangold and Revis were a long time ago. But, yes, he has to find better players than Joe McKnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 I have seen this from you before. I defy you to name thirty players that Tanny has draft that aren't great. Did you want me to cut and paste the Jets roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Jets paid the sulking little mouse more than that based on zero games. Jets would have won 11-12 games with Fitz at QB. Clearly a better player than Sanchez and can actually complete a 25 yd pass. You bring up Scott Mitchell and Kolb but dont mention a guy like Schaub because it doesnt support your position. (Kolb is still unknown quantity due to injuries) Who knows if Flynn will become top tier but we already know the answer with Sanchez Dude, Fitzpatrick sucks. I also didn't bring up Cassell who also proves me right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 If he pulls a Wilkerson and Kerley each year that will be fine. You have to do better than produce two contributing players in each draft if you hope to cvompete for titles. Kerley and Wilkerson are nice young players, but the jets need about 25 more of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 And that was after Smith sucked for six season and was on his fourth head coach. Don't have time to look it up but Shaun Hill, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Brick.Mangold and Revis were a long time ago. But, yes, he has to find better players than Joe McKnight. A pro bowl level special team player who the jury is out on in the backfield? In the 4th round? your standards might be too high sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 A pro bowl level special team player who the jury is out on in the backfield? In the 4th round? your standards might be too high sir. Sir, Mike Westhoff has produced a pro-bowl level special teamer every year he has been alive. I SAID GOOD DAY SIR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 You have to do better than produce two contributing players in each draft if you hope to cvompete for titles. Kerley and Wilkerson are nice young players, but the jets need about 25 more of those. Agree but picking where they did last season that is a decent draft. FA signings need to be mixed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Those 6 pick 6s Sanchez threw beg to differ. touché ..but I did say "generally" and he also has fumbles returned for TD's so he is an equal-opportunity offender. Most sack-fumbles yield better field position for the opponent than picks, or at least it seems that they should. Regardless, our boy had almost 30 turnovers this year. That stat that showed during the game, where our opponents have scored something like 120 points off turnovers this year is disgusting. To be sure, not all those turnovers came from Sanchez and some didn't even come courtesy of the offense at all. But our primary RB had 1 fumble this year (which I think he recovered himself) and his primary backup had none. We had a few from WR's & TE's but maddening as they were so does every team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Agree but picking where they did last season that is a decent draft. FA signings need to be mixed in. I think I just see the Jets roster as being SO thin and SO filled with expensive, aging FAs that the idea of Tannenbaum having to reverse course and rely on accumulating and cashing in on a bunch of draft picks scares me. It's never been his MO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Oh niners had the JT OSullivan experiment too. They sucked but At least their was some type of competition for Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Dude, Fitzpatrick sucks. I also didn't bring up Cassell who also proves me right. Well there you have it. Doood. Agree, Cassell sucks. (just like Sanchez and the rest of the USC QBs in the NFL) Face it, he was picked to sell tickets and it worked. Still ♥ Mr invisible Bart Scott ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Brick.Mangold and Revis were a long time ago. But, yes, he has to find better players than Joe McKnight. Joe McKnight? Don't be silly, he was obviously talking about Scotty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Well there you have it. Doood. Agree, Cassell sucks. (just like Sanchez and the rest of the USC QBs in the NFL) Face it, he was picked to sell tickets and it worked. Still ♥ Mr invisible Bart Scott ? Do you watch this team play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Sir, Mike Westhoff has produced a pro-bowl level special teamer every year he has been alive. I SAID GOOD DAY SIR. Balderdash. Why can't Obi Wan Westhoff turn TJ Conley into a competent punter? Check mate sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 The Jets are making money on Mark's contract. The same can't be said for a Ryan Fitzpatrick deal. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetme23 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Everyone needs to stop. Sanchez isnt going anywhere. He is the QB. This thread is nothing more than a mixture of venting and whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 online bravehearts lol,,, then again I dont hve 2000 posts-or 6000 or 13k...LOL Would you like to play mafia with me. I'm cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Balderdash. Why can't Obi Wan Westhoff turn TJ Conley into a competent punter? Check mate sir. If Westhoff has shown anything in his career, he can make chicken sh*t out of chicken salad when it comes to coverage units and the return game, but the kick specialists are just going to be as good or as bad as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Yes Tom Brady obv.. No Flynn .. There's no book on Flynn, guy wouldn't do this as a full time starter in gb either You don't know that for sure. He has made two starts and done very well in both. Might be the system but it may just be he is a very good QB behind a great one. That might have happened before in Wisconsin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 You don't know that for sure. He has made two starts and done very well in both. Might be the system but it may just be he is a very good QB behind a great one. That might have happened before in Wisconsin. Favre had a bad year in this system as did Alex smith.. My money's on Detroit preping for Rodgers all weak then getting caught napping when they breathed a collective sigh of relief about Rodgers being out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 2, 2012 Share Posted January 2, 2012 Not for nothin' but the "horrendous QB" you're complaining about got us within a game of the SB the last two years and he played well in the postseason both years so I fail to see how your "2nd tier" QB would give the Jets a better chance of winning. With an average QB, I think we'd have been in the Super Bowl both years. The Jets played in 4 halves of AFC championship games. Sanchez only showed up for two of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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