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The first contradicts the second. And why do i care what the Bucs do. Maybe a little bit to see what 3rs/4th pick we get next season.

 

They aren't meant to all go together.  They're all individual, and very possible, bad scenarios for the Bucs.

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Look, it sucks that we don't have Revis.  But if you think you can draft a pro bowl player at #13, and sign a pro bowl level free agent like Cromartie for $8M/year (or one for $6M and another for $10M), you don't pass up on 3 pro bowl players for Revis, no matter how great he was once (and may or may not be again).

 

Even if you think you could rationalize your way to doing that, you certainly don't do that when you're the 2013 Jets with 10 effective holes at key starting positions.

 

And I missed the part when teams offered a 1st rounder and more for Mike Wallace.  If they did receive that offer, and they turned it down only to get nothing a year later, then they're f*cking stupid.

 

I was all for trading Revis but at a better compensation level. How does it make 3 Pro Bowl players ?

 

At the end of the day they did not trade Wallace and made him play out his contract and they will still go to the SB before us.

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So, now if the Jets trade out of #9 and get a late first and say a 2nd rounder this year... You could say they traded Revis for moving back 4 spots in 2013, and additional 2013 first rounder, a 2013 second, and the conditional 2014 fourth.

That, IMO, is a haul!

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They aren't meant to all go together.  They're all individual, and very possible, bad scenarios for the Bucs.

 

Whether Bucs succeed or not that is a debatable issue. But no denying they got what they wanted from this deal at the price they were willing to pay for the trade and the Revis deal. They made out BIG out of this trade. Period.

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It's a 1 and a 3. They needed at least 3 picks. 

 

They can get that by trading down a little from #13.  Dropping down 3-4 slots gets us another 3rd rounder this year, and it seems Idzik is already putting out feelers that he wants to move down.  Getting the #13 pick as opposed to the #20-30 pick affords us the ability to do just that while still ending up with a comparably-rated player still roughly in the middle of round 1.

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He will if we make Sanchez wear Preparation H on his nose to help with Moore's hemorrhoids.  

 

And even if he would rather stay a free agent than take $2M from us, I'd sooner save that space to sweeten an offer for a worthy player with a future here than 1 year of Blount.  

sarcasm on the Blount comment btw, would rather their assistant special teams coach

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I was all for trading Revis but at a better compensation level. How does it make 3 Pro Bowl players ?

 

At the end of the day they did not trade Wallace and made him play out his contract and they will still go to the SB before us.

 

One Pro Bowl player drafted at 13, two Pro Bowl players signed at $8M/year for the $16M you're not paying Revis.

 

The Jets did alright. They got more than the Vikings did for Percy Harvin, and while Revis is better than Harvin he's also coming off a torn ACL, getting paid significantly more, a constant risk to hold out, they had no control over him after this season, and were unwilling to extend him. There was a one team market for Revis, and the Jets had to trade him. It could have been a lot worse. I'm not happy they traded him, but under the circumstances Idzik did well.

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Yeah but this is all they could get. They could have waited even after the draft or start of training camp or trading deadline. Because if Revis shut down one good WR there would have been more interest and better compensation.

 

I understand at the end there is possibility of not getting anything but thats what one has to be willing to accept if they want to get the best deal.

 

The JETS are getting the short straw in this deal. There is no denying that. I guess the "No, not again we got screwed" part of it upsets me.

 

 

NO, I would have waited for the season to begin in which case it gives Revis a chance to be back to his oldself. All teams will see that and will become a lot more interested. Then you look to trade him before the Trade deadline and have an out bidding war for him. That strategy would have def netted 2 1st rounders

 

 

Teams would have merely waited for free agency at that point.  Why give MORE than what the Bucs gave for a guy that might only be a 1-year rental?  

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Whether Bucs succeed or not that is a debatable issue. But no denying they got what they wanted from this deal at the price they were willing to pay for the trade and the Revis deal. They made out BIG out of this trade. Period.

They paid more than their original offer. Both teams got what they wanted, it seems... Or the deal wouldn't have happened. Period! LOL

Don't let that curtail your tantrum though.

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What did we get?  A draft pick that might not even make the roster or be another Vernon Gholston

 

All draft picks could be the next Gholston, but we have to trust that Idzik knows what he's doing better than Mike f-ing Tannenbaum.  Would you rather Idzik have let the guy walk?

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They can get that by trading down a little from #13.  Dropping down 3-4 slots gets us another 3rd rounder this year, and it seems Idzik is already putting out feelers that he wants to move down.  Getting the #13 pick as opposed to the #20-30 pick affords us the ability to do just that while still ending up with a comparably-rated player still roughly in the middle of round 1.

Seems you and I are among the few that grasp this.

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Teams would have merely waited for free agency at that point.  Why give MORE than what the Bucs gave for a guy that might only be a 1-year rental?  

 

They have his deal as a one year rental because thats what they wanted. He is under contract for 6 years with the Bucs. So they hold the keys whether to keep Revis or kick him out of the door. Brilliant move. Have your cake and eat it too!

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After months of speculation, the Darrelle Revis to Tampa Bay trade is official.  Earlier today Revis received a physical from the Bucs.  The NY Jets announced the move via their Twitter account.

The Jets now own the 9th pick and the 13th pick in the first round of the NFL draft.   If the Jets had lost Revis to free agency after this season they most likely would have received a 3rd round draft pick as compensation in the 2014 NFL draft.  This trade nets the Jets a 1st round pick in this draft.  The contract that Revis signed with the Bucs is something the Jets were not comfortable offering to a cornerback.

This leaves little doubt that this is a full blown rebuilding of the roster under John Idzik.  It will also leave the going into 2014.

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So, now if the Jets trade out of #9 and get a late first and say a 2nd rounder this year... You could say they traded Revis for moving back 4 spots in 2013, and additional 2013 first rounder, a 2013 second, and the conditional 2014 fourth.

That, IMO, is a haul!

I'm gonna rep and bump this... See if it helps crack through the numb skulls...

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They have his deal as a one year rental because thats what they wanted. He is under contract for 6 years with the Bucs. So they hold the keys whether to keep Revis or kick him out of the door. Brilliant move. Have your cake and eat it too!

 

They still have to pay him at the very least $16 million this season, a ludicrous number for a cornerback, coming off an ACL tear. Can he play QB too? 

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They paid more than their original offer. Both teams got what they wanted, it seems... Or the deal wouldn't have happened. Period! LOL

Don't let that curtail your tantrum though.

 

If someone offered you 2 dollars for your Honda Civic and then gave you 10 bucks because they really, really wanted it, would you call you "winners"?

 

 

/TomShaned

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I do not think GM's use the chart that is so freely available on the internet.

 

I am sure the ones they use are more sophisticated modeled version which take into account many other complex variables.

 

Question is what makes us better as a team to compete for a SB. 2 firsts in 2014 and 2015 OR one pick in 2013. AFter this draft it will take the mother of all miracles to get us to the playoffs!

 

  I don't know what models some of these teams use, but in general, you would be surprised at how many large corporations aren't all that much smarter than some models on the internet. In fact many are far worse.   It's probably the same way in the NFL.  Some teams are great at it, other teams are worse than some model found on the internet.  Look at some teams who always seem to win or turn things around quick. Then look at other organizations who are always 'rebuilding' or firing/hiring GMs & Coaches.

 

  The Jets seem to be one of the teams in the middle.  Maybe this new FO regime will be different, who knows.  But the way the coaching staff and the FO seem to be on different pages, it just seems like a regime who wants to be cheap.   Maybe things change down the line, but nobody really knows that to be the case.   Right now all anybody can hope for is that they know how to draft.    Because if they get one stud out of the draft and thats it, this might be one long worrisome regime.

 

 

  As far as the trade, it is what it is. I don't know what anybody expected. I don't see certain individuals spewing out the nonsense about "everybody was making up $16 million per year numbers now." Funny how that works when people ignore what's been going on over the past year.  

 

The Jets really got the first round pick this year (13) and traded up the 2015 3rd round compensatory pick, maybe, for a 2014 3rd round pick, maybe.   

It's not a great trade, it's not a bad trade. It's just a trade to get something in return for a player who was going to walk.  And how many teams were going to pay Revis $16 million per year?    As great as the guy is, if Freeman is a turnover machine Freeman again and the Bucs finish 8-8,  that $16 million probably won't seem worth it.   But none of it is guaranteed, so they can cut him after a year or two.  

 

 That's the interesting part. The no guaranteed money. Revis always seemed to be a guaranteed kind of guy.  It would be  hard for his side to renegotiate any deal with this contract.  He's already in the Mario Williams realm and he's about double the salary of other CBs in the NFL.  So unless he decides to get more guaranteed money and less salary per year, there is no way he can hold out for more money.  He's already getting the max amount he'd ever get as a CB for probably the rest of his career.   And if the Bucs don't win anything, aka like Mario and the Bills, nobody in their right mind would think of giving Revis that amount.  So it's an interesting deal in many ways.   A ton of money that might not be worth anything.   And it all comes down to perception. Even if Revis is the great Revis again but the Bucs wind up 7-9,  what team would be willing to spend that much money on a guy who didn't turn a team around?  And really, how the Bucs are any better than the Jets is kind of funny.  Their QB had WRs and still sucked.

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I was all for trading Revis but at a better compensation level. How does it make 3 Pro Bowl players ?

 

At the end of the day they did not trade Wallace and made him play out his contract and they will still go to the SB before us.

 

How the hell is Pittsburgh better off making Wallace play out his contract, go 8-8 and miss the playoffs, and then lose him for nothing?

 

If they go back to the SB before us it'll be because they have a QB and we don't.  You think Pittsburgh would pay Revis $16M ($19M cap charge for the first 4 years) and turn down a 1st rounder-plus instead? They'd trade him without thinking.  And everyone would be saying how smart they were to do it because it's Pittsburgh.

 

 

#13 pick (if we draft a good one)

$8M/year free agent #1

$8M/year free agent #2

 

3 pro bowlers

 

 

Look, we all wanted more.  But when he's not a QB and he is demanding this kind of money, no one's giving us a pair of 1st rounders (let alone more).  And all 1st rounders aren't equal.  We could move down a few slots and end up with an identically-ranked player in a draft like this, and grab an extra 3rd rounder.  Then his net is a 1st, a 3rd, and a 4th or 3rd next year.  Trading down for a 3rd this year is infinitely more likely than getting two 1st rounders after the season's started.

 

Plus you want to talk about a message that management sends to the team?  What kind of message is it to trade him with a season underway while we can still make the playoffs?  No one does that.  Certainly not the brilliant Steelers.

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They can get that by trading down a little from #13.  Dropping down 3-4 slots gets us another 3rd rounder this year, and it seems Idzik is already putting out feelers that he wants to move down.  Getting the #13 pick as opposed to the #20-30 pick affords us the ability to do just that while still ending up with a comparably-rated player still roughly in the middle of round 1.

They should be trying to trade down both at 9 and 13. Who knows if they can though. 

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They still have to pay him at the very least $16 million this season, a ludicrous number for a cornerback, coming off an ACL tear. Can he play QB too? 

 

Is it all guaranteed or are there some performance based incentives laced in there ?

 

They got what they wanted. There is no denying that. its a brilliant move on their part!

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In the end it'll come down to who the Jets pick or don't pick at 13 and if the Bucs win or not.

If the Bucs stink and the Jets draft a pro bowl player, the Jets get the better part of the deal. 

If the Bucs make the playoffs and the Jets trade down or draft some guy who can't even start,  then the Jets got screwed.

And in the long run, the Jets will be far worse screwed if they don't know how to draft good players that start.

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Thank God this is over.

 

It's time to move on.

 

Would have loved to get more, but in all honesty, I am kind of surprised they even got what they did for him. Facts are facts, he just had a serious surgery, Jets were not going to pay him anywhere near that kind of money, and should not. And just not any other teams interested.

 

This is better than the disaster it could have been had he walked next year after a 6-10 season and we get zero for him.

 

Lets take it and move on.

 

Hope to rebuild in this draft, and find a QB in the next two years.

 

Glad to be done with Revis' drama, not Revis the player.

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They should be trying to trade down both at 9 and 13. Who knows if they can though. 

 

  Why?  And if the draft is so bad that you need to trade down,  why would other teams trade up?   And give up a lot to do so?

Just because you trade down doesn't mean you wind up with studs either.   The Jets could pick pro bowl players at 9 & 13 or they could pick scrubs.

The Jets could trade down and get nothing because the guys they wanted were long gone.  Or they could trade down and get some extra picks.

 

 In a bad draft, trading down just to trade down does what?     I dont see many teams giving up the farm for 9 or 13 this year.  So they might trade down and get an extra pick somewhere that wouldn't do all that much anyway.

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Is it all guaranteed or are there some performance based incentives laced in there ?

 

No idea, but unless they cut him, it would appear they're paying him $16 million this year.  With no bonuses it sounds like its a series of 1-year contracts, each worth $16 million.  It's a good deal in that get to decide when the contract ends without penalty, it's a bad deal in terms of cap space.  If they ever want to sign Freeman to an extension, they will likely no longer be able to afford Revis.

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