fitz apologists

[Smashmouth]

because your stupid breakdown is pointless, has nothing to do with the fact that Geno was the starting QB until he was injured by a punch.  

I don't give a sh*t who was the starting QB before the punch, all I care about is that our current QB is 3-1 . Also I didn't know this thread was specifically about Getting handed the starting job before a snap was taken in the pre season , if it was I would have stayed on topic. If you have a topic you would like to start that makes any sense other than the crap you have been spewing all over the board about a QB who has produced garbage the past 2 years then go start one and stfu

 

 

[Super Bowles]

Too bad we don't have a decent QB, we could be 3-1!

[Jet Nut]

I don't give a sh*t who was the starting QB before the punch, all I care about is that our current QB is 3-1 . Also I didn't know this thread was specifically about Getting handed the starting job before a snap was taken in the pre season , if it was I would have stayed on topic. If you have a topic you would like to start that makes any sense other than the crap you have been spewing all over the board about a QB who has produced garbage the past 2 years then go start one and stfu

 

 

you really need to read what someone is discussing before jumping in.  And when they tell you you're on the wrong topic, read up and then either get involved and discuss that topic or not.  

The point is Geno was the starting QB, all your whining that it was too early, that you do t think he should have been named, blah, blah, blah is tiring and off base.  You Geno haters who think any comment about the situation or where he was at prior the the punch is a check on his side of the ledger and youre so afraid of his return that you'll out of your way trying to convince people the situation wasnt what it was.  We al want the team to win.  We're all happy the team is 3-1.  Stating that Geno was the starter before having to give up that role due to injury is to state fact.  Not a claim that he;s Brady like.  Forget it already, damn you're getting tiring,

[56mehl56]

Geno has shown us NOTHING SO FAR that merits any more consideration than Duck poo floating on/in (?) a pond.

talent be damned!!!!!! Nagle could throw it through 2 stacked panels of back to back 5/8" DRYWALL!!!!!!

 

doesnt mean he didn't $hït the bed facing the blitz resulting in a chuck & Duck!! Just like Geno.

Neither had MAWWWWBLES!!!!!!!

See and I  thought your were talking about a Fitzy pass there

[drdetroit]

Talk about a gay thread.

[SouthernJet]

Season has played out exactly as HC/GM/OC envisioned the day they signed a Vet who knew Chans system. The future will pan out based on what they did in 4th round.

[whodeawhodat]

you really need to read what someone is discussing before jumping in.  And when they tell you you're on the wrong topic, read up and then either get involved and discuss that topic or not.  

The point is Geno was the starting QB, all your whining that it was too early, that you do t think he should have been named, blah, blah, blah is tiring and off base.  You Geno haters who think any comment about the situation or where he was at prior the the punch is a check on his side of the ledger and youre so afraid of his return that you'll out of your way trying to convince people the situation wasnt what it was.  We al want the team to win.  We're all happy the team is 3-1.  Stating that Geno was the starter before having to give up that role due to injury is to state fact.  Not a claim that he;s Brady like.  Forget it already, damn you're getting tiring,

Technically, wasnt Fitzpatrick injured when he joined the team as well?  Would it be okay to name him the starter still recovering from a broken leg?

[Sperm Edwards]

Season has played out exactly as HC/GM/OC envisioned the day they signed a Vet who knew Chans system. The future will pan out based on what they did in 4th round.

Don't agree at all. Not even a little bit.

If they all truly envisioned Smith would be a failure and simply handed him the most important job on the team, then it speaks very poorly of all of them. More likely they saw what Smith could do physically and wanted to see if their coaching and a stud receiving corps led by Brandon Marshall (combined with 2 years' starting experience under his belt) could make something of him in a way the prior coaching regime was unable to do.

Assuming they wanted to see Geno fail at all, which is dubious anyway, the way they'd have "envisioned" it was for Smith to fail on the field, lest they potentially give up on someone good they haven't coached themselves, based on his performance under the coach that just got fired. Geno pre-empted that in a way no one could have predicted: he got knocked out of action off the field so there was no one left for the team to rally behind besides Fitzpatrick (or an obviously unready rookie, which wouldn't happen).

 

[Sperm Edwards]

If it was their true goal to have the pecking order go Fitzpatrick '15 --> Petty '16, then they'd have gone about it in that fashion and Smith would have been backing up Fitzpatrick from the get go, with the hope that Petty would leapfrog Smith in practice over the course of the 2015 season. Or at a minimum, they would have said it's an open competition off the bat, or that they'd wait until Fitz was healed to award the job to either one, and that whoever plays the best will start. That isn't what they did. Far from it. Bowles and Gailey each and separately announced Smith is the starter until or unless Fitz played so much better over the summer to take the job away by his own merit (which he didn't do), or Smith screwed up on the field badly independent of anything Fitzpatrick did (which didn't happen). If they envisioned sooner or later it would play out exactly as it happened with a locker-room rift Geno was directly involved in, and knowingly handed such an immature+awful player the most important job on the team after spending all this money elsewhere on an otherwise win-now roster, then they're terrible leaders and team managers.

Usually what's in front of your face is what is in front of your face rather than a mirage. They wanted Smith to succeed but weren't so dumb as to put all their eggs in the Smith basket: they smartly brought in (actually traded a conditional 7th round pick for) a known quantity veteran in Fitzpatrick. Fitz could both serve as a mentor if things started going well with Smith, and to doubly serve as Smith's immediate replacement in case he was no better than before. But they clearly wanted the former to happen, which is why they handed Smith the job with no competition and even with some grumblings in the locker room (like Colon, who publicly inferred what he thought of Geno), they said there would be no competition, speaking highly of Smith right until the point he got his face smashed in. And even then Bowles wouldn't then say it's totally Fitzpatrick's job to keep unless they started out like 7-0 or something (however he phrased it). He didn't announce that the job is securely Fitzpatrick's, even when Geno returns from injury, until the team was 2-1 after the Eagles loss.

[Jet Nut]

 

Technically, wasnt Fitzpatrick injured when he joined the team as well?  Would it be okay to name him the starter still recovering from a broken leg?

He was recovering when he signed, yes.  He was held out of OTA's, participated in camp.  Which has what to do with Geno was the starter at the time he was punched out?

 

[Jet Nut]

Season has played out exactly as HC/GM/OC envisioned the day they signed a Vet who knew Chans system. The future will pan out based on what they did in 4th round.

Not a chance.  Fitz was told he would be the backup when he was signed and Geno was the starter here from the first day Fitz was signed.  Gailey named Geno the starter at the very begining of camp, looked shocked that anyone would question it.  Bowles did try to downplay it to keep the every position has competition story alive, basically saying it was his job to lose.  What about that makes you think they wanted Fitz to start.  They would have just said they signed Fitz to start, no one would have questioned it given Genos struggles

[Jet Nut]

Talk about a gay thread.

Works well with the gay SOAP avatar?

[#27TheDominator]

He was recovering when he signed, yes.  He was held out of OTA's, participated in camp.  Which has what to do with Geno was the starter at the time he was punched out?

 

Are you still ******* going with this? 

Camp opened July 29.  Geno got punched in the face August 11.  That is less than 2 weeks.  Stop acting like he had some kind of stranglehold on the job. Preferred starter yes, "winning" a competition?  Where?

[john461167]

If it was their true goal to have the pecking order go Fitzpatrick '15 --> Petty '16, then they'd have gone about it in that fashion and Smith would have been backing up Fitzpatrick from the get go, with the hope that Petty would leapfrog Smith in practice over the course of the 2015 season. Or at a minimum, they would have said it's an open competition off the bat, or that they'd wait until Fitz was healed to award the job to either one, and that whoever plays the best will start. That isn't what they did. Far from it. Bowles and Gailey each and separately announced Smith is the starter until or unless Fitz played so much better over the summer to take the job away by his own merit (which he didn't do), or Smith screwed up on the field badly independent of anything Fitzpatrick did (which didn't happen). If they envisioned sooner or later it would play out exactly as it happened with a locker-room rift Geno was directly involved in, and knowingly handed such an immature+awful player the most important job on the team after spending all this money elsewhere on an otherwise win-now roster, then they're terrible leaders and team managers.

Usually what's in front of your face is what is in front of your face rather than a mirage. They wanted Smith to succeed but weren't so dumb as to put all their eggs in the Smith basket: they smartly brought in (actually traded a conditional 7th round pick for) a known quantity veteran in Fitzpatrick. Fitz could both serve as a mentor if things started going well with Smith, and to doubly serve as Smith's immediate replacement in case he was no better than before. But they clearly wanted the former to happen, which is why they handed Smith the job with no competition and even with some grumblings in the locker room (like Colon, who publicly inferred what he thought of Geno), they said there would be no competition, speaking highly of Smith right until the point he got his face smashed in. And even then Bowles wouldn't then say it's totally Fitzpatrick's job to keep unless they started out like 7-0 or something (however he phrased it). He didn't announce that the job is securely Fitzpatrick's, even when Geno returns from injury, until the team was 2-1 after the Eagles loss.

They said Geno was the starter because they were trying to talk up his value in the hopes of trading his useless ass.

Unfortunately, no one bit.

[Sperm Edwards]

They said Geno was the starter because they were trying to talk up his value in the hopes of trading his useless ass.

 

Unfortunately, no one bit.

There is zero evidence of any of this.

[john461167]

There is zero evidence of any of this.

Of course not.

Maccagnan is too smart to leave an evidence trail.

[JustInFudge]

 

 

Season has played out exactly as HC/GM/OC envisioned the day they signed a Vet who knew Chans system. The future will pan out based on what they did in 4th round.

Are you trying to say that the coaching staff envisioned their starting QB getting his jaw broken by another player on the team? 

[J-Diddy]

 

 

 

TOTAL QBR - YESTERDAYS GAME ONLY

 

Fitz wit a 90+ Total QBR.

 

Great Stat...  Takes into account WR mistakes that cause QB Ints and incompletions.  

 

 

 

 

1	Andy Dalton, CIN	W 36-21 vs KC in Wk 4	8.7	0.4	0.0	-0.4	8.7	32	9.6	7.1	95.3
2	Ryan Fitzpatrick, NYJ	W 27-14 @ MIA in Wk 4	4.8	3.0	0.0	0.0	7.8	43	10.9	7.5	91.4
3	Nick Foles, STL	W 24-22 @ ARI in Wk 4	6.4	0.0	-0.8	-0.3	5.4	29	5.6	3.2	81.9
4	Brandon Weeden, DAL	L 26-20 @ NO in Wk 4	6.9	-1.0	-1.5	1.9	6.3	35	6.5	3.7	80.9
5	Drew Brees, NO	W 26-20 vs DAL in Wk 4	9.6	0.0	-1.6	0.5	8.5	48	8.9	5.0	80.7
6	Aaron Rodgers, GB	W 17-3 @ SF in Wk 4	6.9	1.8	-1.2	-0.3	7.1	44	8.2	4.6	80.7
7	Brian Hoyer, HOU	L 48-21 @ ATL in Wk 4	1.7	0.0	-0.2	0.0	1.5	31	5.7	3.2	80.6
8	Kirk Cousins, WSH	W 23-20 vs PHI in Wk 4	8.6	-1.6	-0.2	1.5	8.3	53	9.0	4.7	76.9
9	Blake Bortles, JAX	L 16-13 @ IND in Wk 4	7.4	1.2	-0.7	0.9	8.8	59	9.1	4.4	73.2
10	Josh McCown, CLE	L 30-27 @ SD in Wk 4	9.4	0.0	-2.7	0.8	7.5	53	7.8	3.5	71.2
RK	PLAYER	RESULT	PASS EPA	RUN EPA	SACK EPA	PEN EPA	TOTAL EPA	ACT PLAYS	QB PAR	QB PAA	TOTAL QBR
11	Philip Rivers, SD	W 30-27 vs CLE in Wk 4	6.1	0.0	-0.9	1.2	6.3	47	6.5	2.8	69.0
12	Matt Ryan, ATL	W 48-21 vs HOU in Wk 4	3.9	0.0	-0.7	0.1	3.3	37	5.1	2.1	68.7
13	Teddy Bridgewater, MIN	L 23-20 @ DEN in Wk 4	8.0	2.2	-4.6	0.6	6.1	56	7.3	2.8	66.4
14	Matt Hasselbeck, IND	W 16-13 vs JAX in Wk 4	7.1	-0.1	-2.2	2.0	6.8	58	7.1	2.4	63.7
15	Sam Bradford, PHI	L 23-20 @ WSH in Wk 4	4.9	0.5	-1.6	0.1	3.9	40	4.6	1.4	61.8
16	Jay Cutler, CHI	W 22-20 vs OAK in Wk 4	6.3	-0.2	-1.3	0.5	5.4	51	5.7	1.6	60.3
17	Carson Palmer, ARI	L 24-22 vs STL in Wk 4	6.2	0.0	-3.4	1.5	4.3	53	4.6	0.3	51.9
18	Peyton Manning, DEN	W 23-20 vs MIN in Wk 4	2.4	0.0	-0.8	0.9	2.4	38	3.0	-0.0	49.9
19	Alex Smith, KC	L 36-21 @ CIN in Wk 4	5.5	0.6	-2.3	-0.8	3.1	60	4.3	-0.5	47.2
20	Derek Carr, OAK	L 22-20 @ CHI in Wk 4	3.2	-0.2	-0.8	0.2	2.4	37	2.6	-0.4	46.8
RK	PLAYER	RESULT	PASS EPA	RUN EPA	SACK EPA	PEN EPA	TOTAL EPA	ACT PLAYS	QB PAR	QB PAA	TOTAL QBR
21	Eli Manning, NYG	W 24-10 @ BUF in Wk 4	1.2	0.0	-0.2	-0.0	1.1	45	1.5	-2.1	34.6
22	Michael Vick, PIT	L 23-20 vs BAL in Wk 4	1.4	0.6	-2.2	0.0	-0.2	40	0.0	-3.2	25.1
23	Colin Kaepernick, SF	L 17-3 vs GB in Wk 4	1.7	0.8	-2.6	-0.7	-0.8	42	-0.9	-4.2	20.1
24	Cam Newton, CAR	W 37-23 @ TB in Wk 4	1.2	-1.7	-0.6	0.4	-0.7	34	-0.8	-3.5	19.7
25	Jameis Winston, TB	L 37-23 vs CAR in Wk 4	-1.0	1.0	-1.0	-0.2	-1.2	52	-1.6	-5.8	18.0
26	Tyrod Taylor, BUF	L 24-10 vs NYG in Wk 4	0.0	-1.5	-0.4	0.3	-1.6	58	-2.2	-6.9	16.6
27	Ryan Tannehill, MIA	L 27-14 vs NYJ in Wk 4	-1.5	0.1	-2.7	1.8	-2.3	55	-3.2	-7.7	13.0
28	Joe Flacco, BAL	W 23-20 @ PIT in Wk 4	3.3	-2.8	-3.9	0.0	-3.4	43	-3.3	-6.8	10.5
29	Ryan Mallett, HOU	L 48-21 @ ATL in Wk 4	-1.7	0.0	0.0	-0.0	-1.8	29	-3.7	-6.1	5.5

[The Crusher]

Talk about a gay thread.

www.jetnationmodlounge.com

[Jet Nut]

Are you still ******* going with this? 

Camp opened July 29.  Geno got punched in the face August 11.  That is less than 2 weeks.  Stop acting like he had some kind of stranglehold on the job. Preferred starter yes, "winning" a competition?  Where?

Why don't you give it up?  Its one thing to debate what a player is or isnt.  Whether Geno could take the next step etc.  But to actually believe you can come up with new and convincing reasons why the starter heading into the punch wasnt the starter, to actually think you know more than what was said is boring.  Geno was the starter, the only ones who argue this nonstop are 5 or so Geno haters.  Preferred starter?  Who makes this ******* shlt up?  What new phrase can you come up with that makes a starter you don't like a nonstarter?  The asinine excuse that he was named the starter after only two weeks, as if thats a compliment to how well Fitz looked, requires a person to be brain dead.  He was the starter mid way through camp?  So deal with it, stop making sklt up.  Your guy was beat out and if not for the punch would have been the QB on opening day.  

You wanted a competition and then when the guy you wanted to win job doesnt you whine about the competition.  

[Jet Nut]

They said Geno was the starter because they were trying to talk up his value in the hopes of trading his useless ass.

 

Unfortunately, no one bit.

Bit on what, this made up bit of nonsense?  Another attempt to make us believe that Fitz would have won the competition he lost?

[Beerfish]

- The Jets coach and GM knew that Geno Smith was very very iffy thus they went out and got a vet the oc liked and drafted a QB.

- Fitzpatrick was injured and not ready coming in so they did the smart thing and said Geno was the starter ... for now.

- Geno was probably going to be given the 1st shot as the started but with a leash a foot long.

- The coach and gm smartly declared that Fitz was now the starter and would be as long as the team was doing well.

We simply have a smart coach and front office, get a viable backup who can play a bit, draft a QB with some skills, let things play out.  The days of just handing the guy the job day one and going out of your way to provide no competition and coddling are gone.  I've said it before, I think Geno will get his shot at some point this year.  If he does not impress he'll be gone next year.

[#27TheDominator]

Why don't you give it up?  Its one thing to debate what a player is or isnt.  Whether Geno could take the next step etc.  But to actually believe you can come up with new and convincing reasons why the starter heading into the punch wasnt the starter, to actually think you know more than what was said is boring.  Geno was the starter, the only ones who argue this nonstop are 5 or so Geno haters.  Preferred starter?  Who makes this ******* shlt up?  What new phrase can you come up with that makes a starter you don't like a nonstarter?  The asinine excuse that he was named the starter after only two weeks, as if thats a compliment to how well Fitz looked, requires a person to be brain dead.  He was the starter mid way through camp?  So deal with it, stop making sklt up.  Your guy was beat out and if not for the punch would have been the QB on opening day.  

You wanted a competition and then when the guy you wanted to win job doesnt you whine about the competition.  

There was no competition.  That is the point.  You can make one up in your head all you want, but there wasn't.  Even if there was supposed to be, there wasn't.  If you are bored, can you imagine how the rest of us feel?  You are so tiresome even the Ape gave up playing with you.  You say Geno had the job?  Yes, the other guy couldn't practice.  You say they wanted Geno to start.  Yes, I have said that since the start of this nonsense. That is what preferred starter means.  You want to pretend Geno won a competition that didn't exist.

I don't have a ******* guy.  I am a Jets fan, I don't particularly like or dislike any of these QBs.  That includes Petty who I like okay as a prospect, but gets way too much love as the future around here.  I would have drafted Bridgewater.  Was that the right move?  I have no ******* idea.  I think he gets too much love as a franchise guy right now too.

[Smashmouth]

Why don't you give it up?  Its one thing to debate what a player is or isnt.  Whether Geno could take the next step etc.  But to actually believe you can come up with new and convincing reasons why the starter heading into the punch wasnt the starter, to actually think you know more than what was said is boring.  Geno was the starter, the only ones who argue this nonstop are 5 or so Geno haters.  Preferred starter?  Who makes this ******* shlt up?  What new phrase can you come up with that makes a starter you don't like a nonstarter?  The asinine excuse that he was named the starter after only two weeks, as if thats a compliment to how well Fitz looked, requires a person to be brain dead.  He was the starter mid way through camp?  So deal with it, stop making sklt up.  Your guy was beat out and if not for the punch would have been the QB on opening day.  

You wanted a competition and then when the guy you wanted to win job doesnt you whine about the competition.  

THERE WAS NO COMPETITION Not sure what's so difficult to understand about that. What this was about was Geno's last chance and I guarantee you it would have been a very short leash because this team was built over the last year to win NOW. If Geno would have put any of that in jeopardy he would have been yanked very quickly. There is a very good reason why when Geno came back from the broken Jaw he was not named the starter again and its because he didn't win anything it was handed to him and it was his last chance.  The Jets new GM and coach had a 2 year sample size of Geno Smith to evaluate, it was not all about training camp or beating anyone out. Maybe they figured they could get something out of Geno or change his game to some extent but the only fact that remains is Geno was a gamble no matter how you slice it.

Geno has a lot of flaws in his game, his strong arm and ability to run are traits a lot of failures at the QB position possessed.

I'm not a hater of Geno I'm a hater of his horribly stupid decisions, terrible release and inability to step up into the pocket. Stepping up into the pocket and having a feel for the pocket is one of the hardest things a QB has to master and Fitz does it very well Geno does not its probably the main reason Fitz is able to get away with some of his physical limitations. 

Fitz is here until we can groom a young QB to step in and Im thinking that guy is going to be Petty and could possibly be Geno depending on how he handles himself over the course of this season. If Petty is not the guy which I'm sure a year of practice will determine the Jets will probably target a QB in the draft.

[john461167]

Bit on what, this made up bit of nonsense?  Another attempt to make us believe that Fitz would have won the competition he lost?

Wow, so you're like the Grand Poobah of the Geno fan boy club.  Now I get it.

Do you guys have a secret handshake and stuff?

[Smashmouth]

[Jet Nut]

There was no competition.  That is the point.  You can make one up in your head all you want, but there wasn't.  Even if there was supposed to be, there wasn't.  If you are bored, can you imagine how the rest of us feel?  You are so tiresome even the Ape gave up playing with you.  You say Geno had the job?  Yes, the other guy couldn't practice.  You say they wanted Geno to start.  Yes, I have said that since the start of this nonsense. That is what preferred starter means.  You want to pretend Geno won a competition that didn't exist.

I don't have a ******* guy.  I am a Jets fan, I don't particularly like or dislike any of these QBs.  That includes Petty who I like okay as a prospect, but gets way too much love as the future around here.  I would have drafted Bridgewater.  Was that the right move?  I have no ******* idea.  I think he gets too much love as a franchise guy right now too.

Are you guys dense?  Who gives a shlt if you think it was too quick or not enough of a competition for you and the other 5 or so Geno haters who repeat over and over that Geno wasnt the starter until IK ended that.  Either find something that says otherwise or quit the nonsense that I don't know what I'm talking about and that I am the one whos tiring just because you cant face facts.  All the lame Fitz wasnt practicing talk is stupid.  I can see why you want to think this way but the daily reports of Genos good play, no INTs and the opposite from Fitz must have bothered you.  How about this, if Geno wasnt the starter, why was Bowles asked repeatedly if Geno would get his job back as the starting QB when he healed?  If he wasn't the starter why even ask?  

I havent said Fitz should be benched, haven't called for Geno to be put back in.  I'm stating fact.  Fitz was the backup and is only starting because Geno was punched out.  Deal with it, thats the way it happened.  If you find that tiring too bad.  For you

[Jet Nut]

THERE WAS NO COMPETITION Not sure what's so difficult to understand about that. What this was about was Geno's last chance and I guarantee you it would have been a very short leash because this team was built over the last year to win NOW. If Geno would have put any of that in jeopardy he would have been yanked very quickly. There is a very good reason why when Geno came back from the broken Jaw he was not named the starter again and its because he didn't win anything it was handed to him and it was his last chance.  The Jets new GM and coach had a 2 year sample size of Geno Smith to evaluate, it was not all about training camp or beating anyone out. Maybe they figured they could get something out of Geno or change his game to some extent but the only fact that remains is Geno was a gamble no matter how you slice it.

Geno has a lot of flaws in his game, his strong arm and ability to run are traits a lot of failures at the QB position possessed.

I'm not a hater of Geno I'm a hater of his horribly stupid decisions, terrible release and inability to step up into the pocket. Stepping up into the pocket and having a feel for the pocket is one of the hardest things a QB has to master and Fitz does it very well Geno does not its probably the main reason Fitz is able to get away with some of his physical limitations. 

Fitz is here until we can groom a young QB to step in and Im thinking that guy is going to be Petty and could possibly be Geno depending on how he handles himself over the course of this season. If Petty is not the guy which I'm sure a year of practice will determine the Jets will probably target a QB in the draft.

Then argue with the HC, GM and OC.  Because you and a few believe there wasnt enough of a competition then maybe they'll explain why they didnt even bother with enough of a competition to make you happy.  And again has nothing to do with the point that Geno was the starter.  You keep going into all the fluff why Geno sucks which has nothing to do with the point that he was the starter.  How many times can write 500 word essays that have nothing to do with who was the starter

[john461167]

Even if Geno was the starter at the beginning of camp, he would have lost that job once the coaches saw him in preseason against live competition.

Who knows, once they saw him play he may even have been cut and they may have kept Flynn as Fitzgerald's back up.

In an odd way, Geno having his jaw broken may be the only reason he has a spot on an NFL roster.

Weird the way things work out sometimes.

[shuler82]

Even if Geno was the starter at the beginning of camp, he would have lost that job once the coaches saw him in preseason against live competition.

Who knows, once they saw him play he may even have been cut and they may have kept Flynn as Fitzgerald's back up.

In an odd way, Geno having his jaw broken may be the only reason he has a spot on an NFL roster.

Weird the way things work out sometimes.

Because Gailey and Bowles didn't have two years of game tape on Geno.. Gailey knew Fitz, and he chose Geno - and not because Fitz was hurt. If they had wanted a QB competition, they would've had one. If they had wanted Fitz to start, they would've named him the starter.

And who knows what would've/could've/should've happened once the pre season games hit. All we know is what happened this summer - Geno had a good camp. Whether or not you like him as a person or as a football player,  the reports from everyone this summer had Geno as the better QB.

The revisionists like to pretend that Geno always had good camps, but that's not true. In 2013 he was neck and neck with Sanchez.. which isnt' saying much. In 2014 he was an INT machine in camp.. to the point where we thought Rex's defense might actually be pretty good. This year in Gailey's system, it seemed like he might be a different QB. Then again, maybe it would've been more of the same. Who knows.

I don't want to see Geno take the field in 2015 and I hope we can ride Fitz into the post season. But let's not pretend we would've known what would've happened if IK didn't land that punch.

 

 

[UnitedWhofans]

He's 11th in the NFL in total QBR, according to ESPN. 

[john461167]

Because Gailey and Bowles didn't have two years of game tape on Geno.. Gailey knew Fitz, and he chose Geno - and not because Fitz was hurt. If they had wanted a QB competition, they would've had one. If they had wanted Fitz to start, they would've named him the starter.

And who knows what would've/could've/should've happened once the pre season games hit. All we know is what happened this summer - Geno had a good camp. Whether or not you like him as a person or as a football player,  the reports from everyone this summer had Geno as the better QB.

The revisionists like to pretend that Geno always had good camps, but that's not true. In 2013 he was neck and neck with Sanchez.. which isnt' saying much. In 2014 he was an INT machine in camp.. to the point where we thought Rex's defense might actually be pretty good. This year in Gailey's system, it seemed like he might be a different QB. Then again, maybe it would've been more of the same. Who knows.

I don't want to see Geno take the field in 2015 and I hope we can ride Fitz into the post season. But let's not pretend we would've known what would've happened if IK didn't land that punch

Coaches watch tape on a player and they think they can "fix" guys.

I'm sure Gailey looked at a lot of tape on Geno and saw a guy who had some great physical tools.  He probably thought he could fix the mental mistakes with some coaching.

He probably felt the same way when he saw Geno throw in a pair of shorts to an unguarded receiver.

What he probably didn't realize is that Geno is dumber than a box of rocks and has the maturity level of a 12 year old.

Once that became apparent, Fitz was going to be the starter.  It was just a matter of time.

Luckily for us, the IK punch simply accelerated the process and we didn't have to watch the team get off to an 0-4 start.

[Smashmouth]

He's 11th in the NFL in total QBR, according to ESPN. 

terrible just terrible

[Smashmouth]

Coaches watch tape on a player and they think they can "fix" guys.

I'm sure Gailey looked at a lot of tape on Geno and saw a guy who had some great physical tools.  He probably thought he could fix the mental mistakes with some coaching.

He probably felt the same way when he saw Geno throw in a pair of shorts to an unguarded receiver.

What he probably didn't realize is that Geno is dumber than a box of rocks and has the maturity level of a 12 year old.

Once that became apparent, Fitz was going to be the starter.  It was just a matter of time.

Luckily for us, the IK punch simply accelerated the process and we didn't have to watch the team get off to an 0-4 start.

Rocks ? You're too generous

[UnitedWhofans]

What has helped Fitzpatrick with his QBR is that:

1. None of his picks have been pick-sixes. Most of them have been deep down field so little chance for a return

2. None of his picks, to the best of my knowledge, have led to points for the other team on the concurrent drive. They've limited our points but have not helped the other team score points

3. He's been sacked only 2 times this year, tied with Andy Dalton for fewest sacks amongst starters to have started all 4 games.

4. He has scrambled for yardage, especially yesterday.