Testing the Market Should Go Both Ways

[JohnnyLV]

Fitz wanted to test the market and is finding that no one wants him. Well now the Jets know that too. No reason for them to keep their orginal $7 million rumored offer. Offer him a one year contract just like last year if anything, No reason to compete against yourself.

[ylekram]

12 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Fitz wanted to test the market and is finding that no one wants him. Well now the Jets know that too. No reason for them to keep their orginal $7 million rumored offer. Offer him a one year contract just like last year if anything, No reason to compete against yourself.

there is a big difference between nobody wants him and nobody wants him at his asking price. i think we can all agree that 15m is too much for fitz. to say that there is no interest for a qb who just threw for nearly 4,000 yards, 31 td's and 15 int., at any price is just silly.

[NJ]

Reports: Ryan Fitzpatrick's demands irk Jets, too steep for Broncos

By Will Brinson | NFL Writer

 

March 13, 2016 10:28 am ET

Ryan Fitzpatrick is, somehow, one of the top free-agent quarterbacks out there. But teams are reportedly getting annoyed by his contract demands.

The New York Jets, who Fitzpatrick nearly helped to the playoffs in 2015, are the really obvious landing spot for him. Chan Gailey's offense is a perfect fit for Fitz, who's had his most success working with the Jets offensive coordinator. Acting like he'll play well wherever he goes is folly.

But the Jets, according to Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports, are getting frustrated by Fitz attempting to play free-agency chicken.

They believe correctly! When Brock Osweiler signed a $72 million contract this offseason to join the Houston Texans, it created a game of musical chairs with quarterbacks, primarily centered around the Broncos, Browns, 49ers and Jets.

San Francisco holds the big piece to the puzzle with Colin Kaepernick. His fate will determine the next set of dominos to fall. The Browns are likely to dabble in the draft if they don't land Kap. Neither feels like a landing spot for Fitz.

Denver had an opening created with Osweiler's move and has been tied to the former Harvard quarterback.

The Broncos have had discussions with Fitz' representation, but according to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Broncos are "currently unwilling to pay the salary" Fitzpatrick wants.

In other words, the long and short of it for Fitzpatrick is this: he wants to get Sam Bradfordmoney (a.k.a. $18 million a year or somewhere in the range). But teams see him as successful in Gailey's system and, at 33 years old, a bridge quarterback at absolute best.

Signing Fitzpatrick to a 3-year, $45 million deal is the type of move that will end up making you regret about $40 million of the contract.

The Jets recently brought in Robert Griffin III for a visit, but reports indicate it's only as leverage against Fitzpatrick.

Kaepernick's mostly been connected to Cleveland and Denver, although ultimately he has to go wherever the 49ers decide to send him.

At this point it appears the Jets prefer Fitz at the right price, Kaepernick through trade and while maybe hoping Gailey fixes RG3.

If all else fails they're just going to pull the rip cord and sign Brian Hoyer. Someone is going to lose in this game and lose big.

[section314]

If the jets end up with Hoyer, we know who the big time loser is!

[Maxman]

20 minutes ago, section314 said:

If the jets end up with Hoyer, we know who the big time loser is!

The rest of the AFC East?

[BowlesMovement]

I think we should teach Fitz a lesson and start Geno Smith, then we can go 4-12, and say, take that Fitz

[Raideraholic]

52 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

Fitz wanted to test the market and is finding that no one wants him. Well now the Jets know that too. No reason for them to keep their orginal $7 million rumored offer. Offer him a one year contract just like last year if anything, No reason to compete against yourself.

The Jets  can do exactly that, and there is a good chance he sits out hoping some team loses there starting Qb.   The Jets are coming off a successful 10-6 season season , and the fans expectations are raised.

Ryan Fitzpatrick replacement with the Jets gets off to a slow start, the pressure isn't going to mount on the Jets front office to do something.( especially with Fitzpatrick still out there).

The Jets shouldn't pay him anything close to what he wants, but should give him a little more than they offered .( both parties need each other- can't make it personal these contract talks).

[Joe W. Namath]

Fitz is doing the right thing.  His value will never be higher then it is right now.  I hope he gets what hes looking for.  If not, and we still have a spot for him, he can take the 7 mil and game on.

[pointman]

8 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

I think we should teach Fitz a lesson and start Geno Smith, then we can go 4-12, and say, take that Fitz

The gap between Geno and Fitz is not that big. And Geno sucks.

[BowlesMovement]

Just now, pointman said:

The gap between Geno and Fitz is not that big. And Geno sucks.

I guess you haven't watched Geno play football that much?

[pointman]

1 minute ago, BowlesMovement said:

I guess you haven't watched Geno play football that much?

I have. I have also watched Fitz play. Fitz is better, but that isn't saying much. 

[JETSfaninNE]

Fitz or Hoyer, honestly is there really a difference between the 2 QBs?  Give me Hoyer in Gaileys system for the same price we paid Fitz last year.  He might have a slightly better arm as well?

[The Crusher]

11 minutes ago, pointman said:

The gap between Geno and Fitz is not that big. And Geno sucks.

We wish.  

[cant wait]

24 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

I think we should teach Fitz a lesson and start Geno Smith, then we can go 4-12, and say, take that Fitz

Whining about geno smith still doesn't make fitz worth more than backup money, but knock yourself out buddy

[Mike135]

Signing Fitzpatrick to a 3-year, $45 million deal is the type of move that will end up making you regret about $40 million of the contract.

Ha, awesome!  And very true.

[jetfan39]

48 minutes ago, BowlesMovement said:

I think we should teach Fitz a lesson and start Geno Smith, then we can go 4-12, and say, take that Fitz

with next years schedule probably 2-14 and 1st pick in the draft

[jgb]

Fitz wanted to test the market and is finding that no one wants him. Well now the Jets know that too. No reason for them to keep their orginal $7 million rumored offer. Offer him a one year contract just like last year if anything, No reason to compete against yourself.

Terrible idea. It's a small community agent represent multiple players. If a team gets a reputation as not being good faith negotiators it has a negative ripple effect. Come up a quarter million bucks make the agent look good and let him save face with his client and get the deal done. At this point it will be seen like a godsend to the player and agent.

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[afosomf]

1 hour ago, jetfan39 said:

with next years schedule probably 2-14 and 1st pick in the draft

and what would be wrong about that?  jets acquire a franchise QB that I predict will be better than Cam

[Mainejet]

6 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Fitz wanted to test the market and is finding that no one wants him. Well now the Jets know that too. No reason for them to keep their orginal $7 million rumored offer. Offer him a one year contract just like last year if anything, No reason to compete against yourself.

That's absurd. Ryan Fitzpatrick still had an exceptional season and is definitely deserving of a raise. Definitely NOT what he's demanding, but still deserving of a raise.

In fact, if anything I think the Jets should sweeten their offer to Fitzpatrick like incentives that could earn him more money, like individual passing achievements, playoff bonus, roster bonus.

It's time for the Jets to put this QB problem to bed. Fitz is the Jets best and only guy and Mac should know that. Fitz found out the hard way that he's asking for too much. IMO, they both learned their lessons and now it's time to revisit getting Fitz to sign.

[jgb]

4 hours ago, afosomf said:

and what would be wrong about that?  jets acquire a franchise QB that I predict will be better than Cam

Until Watson decides to stay in school for another year because what stud QB would want to play for this ungrateful fanbase. Jets will need #1 pick two years in a row to trap his ass.

[Spoot-Face]

4 hours ago, afosomf said:

and what would be wrong about that?  jets acquire a franchise QB that I predict will be better than Cam

[Spoot-Face]

15 minutes ago, jgb said:

Until Watson decides to stay in school for another year because what stud QB would want to play for this ungrateful fanbase. Jets will need #1 pick two years in a row to trap his ass.

Unless we tell him he can bang Kate Upton.

[jetfan39]

4 hours ago, afosomf said:

and what would be wrong about that?  jets acquire a franchise QB that I predict will be better than Cam

that was what i was alluding to.  it would be a good thing

[Larz]

the browns have 40 million and if they lose the kaep sweepstakes need a veteran to mentor the rookie they will draft

he won't get $15 from the browns, but the jets can't offer him sh*t

don't forget he is sick of moving his family all over the country, a harvard guy probably invested wisely, he may just say **** it and go into banking

 

[j4jets]

8 hours ago, BowlesMovement said:

I think we should teach Fitz a lesson and start Geno Smith, then we can go 4-12, and say, take that Fitz

Or release Mo, sign Fitz n go 4-12  

[j4jets]

7 hours ago, JETSfaninNE said:

Fitz or Hoyer, honestly is there really a difference between the 2 QBs?  Give me Hoyer in Gaileys system for the same price we paid Fitz last year.  He might have a slightly better arm as well?

Fitz has peaked n his peak equals a below average season against some of the worst Ds last year. No thanks. He's a decent backup QB n that's what he's worth. 

[Sperm Edwards]

9 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Fitz wanted to test the market and is finding that no one wants him. Well now the Jets know that too. No reason for them to keep their orginal $7 million rumored offer. Offer him a one year contract just like last year if anything, No reason to compete against yourself.

No. Keep it the same and bump up the 3rd year money to $18M if he's started >8 games in each of the first 2 seasons (or whatever the incentive is). Now it's a 3 year $32M deal. Same money in years 1-2. Save face a little.

Or bump up year 2 to $16.5M, but none of it can be guaranteed. Year 1 $7M, years 2-3 $16.5M = 3 years $40M with $7M guaranteed.

If someone else is starting by year's end, or if we are hell-bent on someone else starting in 2017, he's cut. If we're still bringing him back as the starter in 2017 again, then we just suck it up.

If he doesn't take it he doesn't take it. We can't be on the hook for Fitz eating up that much cap space. We'll need an extra pro bowler to make up for him being the QB (if that alone even does the trick) so we'll need the extra space.

[JohnnyLV]

9 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

No. Keep it the same and bump up the 3rd year money to $18M if he's started >8 games in each of the first 2 seasons (or whatever the incentive is). Now it's a 3 year $32M deal. Same money in years 1-2. Save face a little.

Or bump up year 2 to $16.5M, but none of it can be guaranteed. Year 1 $7M, years 2-3 $16.5M = 3 years $40M with $7M guaranteed.

If someone else is starting by year's end, or if we are hell-bent on someone else starting in 2017, he's cut. If we're still bringing him back as the starter in 2017 again, then we just suck it up.

If he doesn't take it he doesn't take it. We can't be on the hook for Fitz eating up that much cap space. We'll need an extra pro bowler to make up for him being the QB (if that alone even does the trick) so we'll need the extra space.

Why. It cannot be said at this point that the Jets negotiated in bad faith so why in the hell should they make the deal sweeter? It's not that impoirtant to get him back and lose further cap space in the coming years.

[Sperm Edwards]

Just now, johnnysd said:

Why. It cannot be said at this point that the Jets negotiated in bad faith so why in the hell should they make the deal sweeter? It's not that impoirtant to get him back and lose further cap space in the coming years.

Because like it or not, if he's signed he is the QB, popular, and the de facto team leader; not a borderline starter at safety and not merely a line item on a ledger. $7M is cheap enough & we don't have to get too cute. Do that and it won't sit well with the rest of the team. It'll look spiteful and we'd be better off not bringing him in at all over that idea.

Also there's no evidence we could even get him for $7M. Or $8M. The reason he's unsigned is he's demanding much more than that. Could be Denver's line in the sand for him is $9.5M and he's still at or above $15M and that's the only reason he's still out there.

I only outlined what I did because it's a way for Mac to stick to his guns (if $7M this year is really the highest he will go) and pay him more the next year to get us to that point (or at least through the draft).

[jetrider]

8 hours ago, BowlesMovement said:

I think we should teach Fitz a lesson and start Geno Smith, then we can go 4-12, and say, take that Fitz

And pay Fitz according to Geno's stats. 

[JohnnyLV]

15 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Because like it or not, if he's signed he is the QB, popular, and the de facto team leader; not a borderline starter at safety and not merely a line item on a ledger. $7M is cheap enough & we don't have to get too cute. Do that and it won't sit well with the rest of the team. It'll look spiteful and we'd be better off not bringing him in at all over that idea.

Also there's no evidence we could even get him for $7M. Or $8M. The reason he's unsigned is he's demanding much more than that. Could be Denver's line in the sand for him is $9.5M and he's still at or above $15M and that's the only reason he's still out there.

I only outlined what I did because it's a way for Mac to stick to his guns (if $7M this year is really the highest he will go) and pay him more the next year to get us to that point (or at least through the draft).

He was popular with a couple outspoken people but no real evidence he was uniformly popular in fact there were reports recently that he was not all that popular at all. He got paid $3.5 million. Tripling that salary is absurd.

[jetrider]

Fitz wants the same pay Sexton got Bradford. $18M/per.

It's possible Denver offered Fitz the $15M deal made to Osweiler and Fitz declined.

Another thing, Philly offered Bradford 4 yrs $18M/per before last season, so it isn't anything out of the blue.

Since they both use Sexton, Fitz probably knew all about it and was salivating all season thinking he'd get the same deal.

 

[Sperm Edwards]

13 hours ago, johnnysd said:

He was popular with a couple outspoken people but no real evidence he was uniformly popular in fact there were reports recently that he was not all that popular at all. He got paid $3.5 million. Tripling that salary is absurd.

He got paid $3.5M because he was expected to be the backup with little chance of starting other than due to injury. On the Jets he is the starter until he gets injured or until someone else shows us he's worthy of being on the field in Fitz's place. Big difference. Also there's been salary inflation since then and there was a softer market for a QB like Fitz when he signed with Houston. And frankly we should have signed him back then, and maybe we would have if we weren't hamstrung with Sanchez's guaranteed contract.

$7M is not outrageous for (arguably) the game's best backup QB anymore, should we end up starting someone else. Houston didn't bring him in at $3.5M to be their starter, and they certainly didn't tell him they wanted him to be the starter before negotiating. Tripling the salary is only absurd if he's being brought in to fill the same role, under the same salary cap limit, and if he was returning to the same team, coming off a 31/15/3900 yard season when Houston signed him.

I didn't see any reports that say he was unpopular personally. I did see one rumor that not everyone wants him back as starter, but that's not the same thing. A guy can be the backup QB and still be popular and a team leader.

[JohnnyLV]

1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

He got paid $3.5M because he was expected to be the backup with little chance of starting other than due to injury. On the Jets he is the starter until he gets injured or until someone else shows us he's worthy of being on the field in Fitz's place. Big difference. Also there's been salary inflation since then and there was a softer market for a QB like Fitz. And frankly we should have signed him back then, and maybe we would have if we weren't hamstrung with Sanchez's guaranteed contract.

$7M is not outrageous for (arguably) the game's best backup QB anymore, should we end up starting someone else. Houston didn't bring him in at $3.5M to be their starter, and they certainly didn't tell him they wanted him to be the starter before negotiating. Tripling the salary is only absurd if he's being brought in to fill the same role, under the same salary cap limit, and if he was returning to the same team, coming off a 31/15/3900 yard season when Houston signed him.

I didn't see any reports that say he was unpopular personally. I did see one rumor that not everyone wants him back as starter, but that's not the same thing. A guy can be the backup QB and still be popular and a team leader.

His value does not change because he had a lifetime year. He is still a backup level player whether we decide to start him or not.

[BowlesMovement]

3 hours ago, johnnysd said:

His value does not change because he had a lifetime year. He is still a backup level player whether we decide to start him or not.

In typical jets fan binary fashion, everything is either black or white, no shades in between. He is either a backup worth 3.5, or a starter worth $18, nothing in between. Its kind of comical at this point. Just say it like you mean it, you don't want him back at all becasue you know he will start, so you want to offer him backup money which you know he won't take. This nonsense of offering him backup money when the team clearly wants to start him is pointless. Herm is spot on with everything he is saying, regardless of your personal feelings towards Fitz, which you have made clear for a while.