Karam H Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Read this and thought I'd share. Bryce may overtake Geno as the #2 Jets Notes: Bryce Petty Beating Out Geno Smith + Training Camp Standouts Every year in the NFL we are reminded that roster spots are earned on the field and not in scouting meetings or on draft day. The famous Jerry Glanville quote, “the NFL stands for not for long,” is spot on when it comes to players earning a place on the final roster. Who would have thought that Karlos Williams of the Bills (over 5.5 yards per carry/7 TDs in 2015 as a rookie) would be cut before the second preseason game. Yet it happens again and again; players who get too comfortable in their position get passed for playing time like a old truck on the autobahn by hungrier players. Bryce Petty came into this year with a target on his back; the kind of target that has your agent calling teams to see if they have open spots on their practice squads. He didn’t take a single regular season snap in 2015 after being drafted in the 4th round from a team that didn’t even huddle on offense. Coming from spread offense where the coach signaled the plays in from the sideline, even NFL verbiage was a struggle for Bryce. Absorbing the Jets playbook was akin to learning to write in a foreign language, in cursive, with your left hand (if you’re a righty). Understanding the nuances of the game were impossible for a player just trying to understand how to call a play. Jets GM Mike Maccagnan decided to draft (or overdrafted) Christian Hackenberg from Penn st in the second round; a player I had as a 6th round talent and Pro Football Focus had as undraftable. With Ryan Fitzpatrick as the entrenched starter (as soon as the Jets signed him), former 2nd round pick Geno Smith already on the roster; the writing was on the wall for Petty. With one foot in the grave and the other standing on a banana peel, Petty had to either step up his game monumentally or find another team to give him a shot. Bryce Petty has all the desired measurables to be a starter in the NFL. He is 6’3 230 with a strong arm, good movement skills, and is said to be a very intelligent hard working kid. Problem is he came from a system so different from any NFL style offense so his learning curve was off the charts. Added was the fact that unlike the past (10-15 years ago) no team is going to stash you on the roster and give you 3 years to catch up (ala Aaron Rogers) so this year was sink or swim time. Petty has responded with a solid camp to go along with stellar play in the first two preseason games. He is 23/40 for 335 yards and 2 TDs with 0 INTs and a 101 QBR, all while playing with second and third string players. Added to the fact is the Jets o-line depth is abysmal (Petty has been sacked 5 times) so he is accomplishing all this under duress, which makes this even more of amazing. If he can keep up the production and lack of mistakes going in the last two games, the Jets will be forced to move him up to the the 2nd spot behind Fitzpatrick. The Jets know what they have (or don’t have) in Geno Smith and he is having a typical mediocre camp and preseason 14/27 126 yards 1 TD, 1 INT 61.7 QBR. Recently in practice Smith had a 4 INT and a fumble day which frustrated him and the Jets management team. The Jets know what they have in Smith, which is a replacement level player who can have an occasional quality game but would struggle to get the team to even a .500 record. Also, Smith was a poor draft decision by the previous regime (GM John Idzik) so keeping Petty over Smith is very plausible. Christian Hackenberg is a distant fourth on the depth chart (which is understandable for a rookie) but has been even worse than you might expect. Hackenberg will have to have a Petty type transformation next year or fingers may be pointed at GM Maccagnan about his ability to discern talent in the draft. Jet Bits: Players who are making hay in training camp –Leonard Williams is showing why he was considered the top talent in the draft last year; after a quality rookie year, Williams is showing the strength and agility that could lead to a monster year. Deon Simon 6’4 332 (7th rd pick in 2015 #223) is a NT who is turning heads and drawing comparisons to former Jet Damon Harrison. Simon had a huge game Friday with 4 stuffed run plays (one on 4th down) and drawing a holding penalty in the end zone (causing a safety). With Mohammad Wilkerson back with a new contract and Sheldon Richardson (after his one game suspension) the Jets are poised to have one of the best D-lines in the NFL. –Robby Anderson WR Temple (UDFA in 2015) 6’3 190 4.36/40 This is a player I highlighted before the draft who could shine in the right situation as a undrafted rookie. He had a great game against the ‘Skins 7 rec/138 yards/1TD and if he can continue to show in the next two games, will force the Jets to give him a roster spot. He is in a great spot with the Jets where he can learn from Eric Decker and Brandon Marshall for the next couple of years. Anderson is a player to watch for the future and could (with his 4.36/40 speed) be a game changer; it also helps he is from his coach’s (Todd Bowles) alma mater – Temple U. –Cherone Peake WR Clemson (7th rd pick 2105 #241) 6’2 209 4.45/40 Peake is having a good camp, not spectacular 8 rec/ 77 yards/1TD, but has the size-speed ratio that offensive coaches covet. He has a good chance to make the squad because Devin Smith (PUP list knee) will probably miss the first six games, Quincy Enunwa may be moved to TE on a permanent basis and Kenbrell Thompkins may be cut for salary cap reasons. The Jets are currently less than $ 1.4 million under the salary cap with 51 players. They have to add two players to that and have money for their practice squad players (up to 10); Thompkins has a $1.67 million non-guaranteed salary, whereas Peake would make $450,000; saving the team over $1.2 million. The Jets have a thin window for success in 2016 (everything needs to go right) and any problems they have will not be on the defensive side of the ball; where they should be stellar. On offense, things hinge on Fitzpatrick, Marshall, Decker, Forte and a aging leaky offensive line. If Petty could somehow become a Blake Bortles type talent (high upside yet to be realized) and with receivers like Peake and Anderson, the Jets may have a future worth watching. 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Lizard King Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Boomer was just saying this also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Curious, how did you come across that website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I thought Petty looked very good in wk 2 Preseason game. He is going against #2 & #3 defense but also working with #2 & #3 Offense. He actually looked better than Geno and Fitz IMO. Defense was awful. Flat with too many missed tackles. I don't think we'll see much of Hack if any. Petty is being looked at for #2. Geno who I thought would be much improved is much of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Even if this is true (dubious source) still might be worth hanging onto Geno maybe a team gets desperate with an injury before trade deadline and gives up a 5th rounder for him. also i still trust him more than petty as a backup. Just no substitute for experience once the lights come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, Lizard King said: Boomer was just saying this also He have anything direct? Sometimes he'll give you useful nuggets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkajet01 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I agree gino still looks like rookie! Locks on his receivers, can't read defenses! If I wasn't a jets fan & watched petty on tape, I'd say he was decisive, cannon for arm, on 2 Td's he threw he was hammered after releasing ball! Jets just might have their franchise qb! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 minute ago, mkajet01 said: I agree gino still looks like rookie! Locks on his receivers, can't read defenses! If I wasn't a jets fan & watched petty on tape, I'd say he was decisive, cannon for arm, on 2 Td's he threw he was hammered after releasing ball! Jets just might have their franchise qb! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk But Geno has horrible weapons in 2013! give the kid a chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkajet01 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Are you talking about gino? If u are, you're nuts! He sucks! Petty is better! Why would u want gino? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 minute ago, mkajet01 said: Are you talking about gino? If u are, you're nuts! He sucks! Petty is better! Why would u want gino? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk nah just lack of weaponz. until petty goes back to 2013 and wins 8 games throwing to kerley as a #1, he can never leapfrog Geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 9 minutes ago, jgb said: Even if this is true (dubious source) still might be worth hanging onto Geno maybe a team gets desperate with an injury before trade deadline and gives up a 5th rounder for him. also i still trust him more than petty as a backup. Just no substitute for experience once the lights come on. I think Bowles may be getting very close to deciding that the light is never gonna come on for Geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkajet01 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Lol I won't respond to that, gino will get cut. I'm listening to Boomer & carton they both love petty, think gino will get traded or released! If geno is so Friggin good why did jets resign him & not have open competition for starting qb job? Fitz not that good! & geno not even considered to be starter! He's sh*t! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, section314 said: I think Bowles may be getting very close to deciding that the light is never gonna come on for Geno. I would agree were jets not in win-now mode where a fill in for a week or two very well might determine whether jets get into the playoffs or not. he is cheap so if no trade offer is forthcoming i see jets hanging onto him. of course if he's being a punk behind the scenes (NO evidence) then yeah could cut him. 1 minute ago, mkajet01 said: Lol I won't respond to that, gino will get cut. I'm listening to Boomer & carton they both love petty, think gino will get traded or released! If geno is so Friggin good why did jets resign him & not have open competition for starting qb job? Fitz not that good! & geno not even considered to be starter! He's sh*t! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk IK should be indicted for felonious career destruction geno was reported to be awesome in camp last year he was definitely going to join the 4000 passing/1000 rushing club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 If this guy says it in the 7th blog of his illustrious career at 24/7 news it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Pac said: If this guy says it in the 7th blog of his illustrious career at 24/7 news it must be true. Pretty sure we all know who the author is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, section314 said: I think Bowles may be getting very close to deciding that the light is never gonna come on for Geno. I'm thinking the same exact thing. It's Geno vs. Petty the next two weeks. While fitz is not going to relinquish #1, I'm hoping Petty keeps showing improvement and stakes his claim for the #1 spot in 2017 or 2018. It would be nice to have a guy that can make all the throws, as opposed to the inaccurate deep passes that fitz can't seem to correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkajet01 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 4000 yd passing club & 1000 yd rushing club! If that was the case he would be starter, Fitz wouldn't have been resigned! Lol u must be smoking! Lmfao u have no clue Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Shadetree said: I'm thinking the same exact thing. It's Geno vs. Petty the next two weeks. While fitz is not going to relinquish #1, I'm hoping Petty keeps showing improvement and stakes his claim for the #1 spot in 2017 or 2018. It would be nice to have a guy that can make all the throws, as opposed to the inaccurate deep passes that fitz can't seem to correct. Wish we could have fitz ride on petty's back during games like yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, jgb said: Wish we could have fitz ride on petty's back during games like yoda lol its amazing how many QBs we have had over the years and, even the ones we've loved, always had 1 or 2 faults that leave us wanting more. One day in the future we might have a complete package QB that we know can get us to the promise land. God willing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadetree Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 7 minutes ago, mkajet01 said: 4000 yd passing club & 1000 yd rushing club! If that was the case he would be starter, Fitz wouldn't have been resigned! Lol u must be smoking! Lmfao u have no clue Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk You need to work on your sarcasm detector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 11 minutes ago, Shadetree said: I'm thinking the same exact thing. It's Geno vs. Petty the next two weeks. While fitz is not going to relinquish #1, I'm hoping Petty keeps showing improvement and stakes his claim for the #1 spot in 2017 or 2018. It would be nice to have a guy that can make all the throws, as opposed to the inaccurate deep passes that fitz can't seem to correct. If Petty gets some reps vs. Giants with our 1's against their 1's, there may be something to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NYs Stepchild Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, section314 said: If Petty gets some reps vs. Giants with our 1's against their 1's, there may be something to this. That's not going to happen in the 3rd game. I think he earned a shot as the #2 though. That will be telling, and then we'll see how he does. String 3 games together and show more improvement, and that will be the end of that. I don't think it's a mirage. The fact that he's in Fitz' back pocket, and discussing plays with the receivers constantly gives me a good feeling about him. The only 2 QBs I've seen act this way are Fitz, and Penny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 22 minutes ago, jgb said: I would agree were jets not in win-now mode where a fill in for a week or two very well might determine whether jets get into the playoffs or not. he is cheap so if no trade offer is forthcoming i see jets hanging onto him. of course if he's being a punk behind the scenes (NO evidence) then yeah could cut him. IK should be indicted for felonious career destruction geno was reported to be awesome in camp last year he was definitely going to join the 4000 passing/1000 rushing club. Geno is always awesome in camp with red shirt on but that is the difference bewteen Geno and (Fitz & Petty) - when tackling begins Geno rushes his throws and progressions and he cant hit the side of a barn...where as Fitz and Petty are not fazed by the thought of the 300lb+ defense player leveling them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 25 minutes ago, jgb said: I would agree were jets not in win-now mode where a fill in for a week or two very well might determine whether jets get into the playoffs or not. he is cheap so if no trade offer is forthcoming i see jets hanging onto him. of course if he's being a punk behind the scenes (NO evidence) then yeah could cut him. 1. The Jets are not a win-now team; they are a 4-12 John Idzik rebuilding team with some older free agents cashing out before they retire. 2. Geno Smith cannot win a game or two, he is a brutally bad quarterback. 3. If Ryan Fitzpatrick misses 2-3 games the season is over anyway so might as well have a young kid like Bryce Petty see some starting NFL action and see if he's got the goods for a season that will actually mean something, like 2017. Geno Smith has no place on the Jets roster. He cannot be counted on to play well as an emergency backup and he is not going to be part of our bright future. All he is doing is taking up practice reps from Petty and Hackenberg, that's counter to what we need. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Geno is always awesome in camp with red shirt on but that is the difference bewteen Geno and (Fitz & Petty) - when tackling begins Geno rushes his throws and progressions and he cant hit the side of a barn...where as Fitz and Petty are not fazed by the thought of the 300lb+ defense player leveling them. Higher ceiling stronger arm faster legs doesn't matter if he has slow brain disease Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 1. The Jets are not a win-now team; they are a 4-12 John Idzik rebuilding team with some older free agents cashing out before they retire. 2. Geno Smith cannot win a game or two, he is a brutally bad quarterback. 3. If Ryan Fitzpatrick misses 2-3 games the season is over anyway so might as well have a young kid like Bryce Petty see some starting NFL action and see if he's got the goods for a season that will actually mean something, like 2017. Geno Smith has no place on the Jets roster. He cannot be counted on to play well as an emergency backup and he is not going to be part of our bright future. All he is doing is taking up practice reps from Petty and Hackenberg, that's counter to what we need. SAR I Well you might not think jets are win now but their signing of forte, fitz and even Revis last year says THEY believe they are win now, which is the only thing that matters Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 minute ago, jgb said: Higher ceiling stronger arm faster legs doesn't matter if he has slow brain disease Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk lol I watched "Every Pass From denver Paxton in wk2" on NFL.COM and the guy looked to be light years behind Petty. It did not look to me he was making any Reads and just slinging it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, SickJetFan said: lol I watched "Every Pass From denver Paxton in wk2" on NFL.COM and the guy looked to be light years behind Petty. It did not look to me he was making any Reads and just slinging it. Goff too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 In all likelilhood Geno is gone in 2017. If the Jets keep 4 QBs, in all likelihood they will need to expose one of the rookie WR finds to the PS-Jalin Marshall or Robby Anderson, or Peake. If they end up being good, Macc will look pretty bad. On the flip side, if Fitz gets hurt and Petty is the backup QB, and he just bombs and blows the season, Macc is going to look pretty bad too. I think if Petty plays well for the rest of the PS, and hopefully he is given a chance to play against better competition, I think the fan base at least would support letting Geno go (hopefully trading him) and keeping the young WRs, who hopefully will be around in 2017 and beyond. Petty playing well against real preseason competition will help determine whether he is able to game manage during a Fitz injury. I don't think it is worth considering that either Petty or Geno could play more than 4 games and lead the Jets to a playoff spot, although crazier things have happened. Fitz has been playing 10+ years. He started playing late last year and ended up setting Jets QB records. He does not need an extra PS game. Geno should start the Snoopy bowl, and let Petty finish the 2nd quarter/3rd quarter against what should be a better Giants defense. Then let Hack play. Maybe one of them gets "hurt" and makes the situation a bit easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 22 minutes ago, section314 said: If Petty gets some reps vs. Giants with our 1's against their 1's, there may be something to this. Maybe, but if they're hoping to trade Geno they probably wouldn't alter the rotation. Want to be able to say in negotiations that they're trading their #2 rather than their #3. I could see them giving Petty a chance to play with some starters in the last game, even if it's just the starting OL for a series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 56 minutes ago, Matt39 said: He have anything direct? Sometimes he'll give you useful nuggets... Just that when he threw his td, he stayed in the pocket and got blasted by a linebacker but had the cajones to make the play first and sacrifice himself...went a long way with his credibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, varjet said: In all likelilhood Geno is gone in 2017. If the Jets keep 4 QBs, in all likelihood they will need to expose one of the rookie WR finds to the PS-Jalin Marshall or Robby Anderson, or Peake. If they end up being good, Macc will look pretty bad. On the flip side, if Fitz gets hurt and Petty is the backup QB, and he just bombs and blows the season, Macc is going to look pretty bad too. I think if Petty plays well for the rest of the PS, and hopefully he is given a chance to play against better competition, I think the fan base at least would support letting Geno go (hopefully trading him) and keeping the young WRs, who hopefully will be around in 2017 and beyond. Petty playing well against real preseason competition will help determine whether he is able to game manage during a Fitz injury. I don't think it is worth considering that either Petty or Geno could play more than 4 games and lead the Jets to a playoff spot, although crazier things have happened. Fitz has been playing 10+ years. He started playing late last year and ended up setting Jets QB records. He does not need an extra PS game. Geno should start the Snoopy bowl, and let Petty finish the 2nd quarter/3rd quarter against what should be a better Giants defense. Then let Hack play. Maybe one of them gets "hurt" and makes the situation a bit easier. I was in total agreement till your last paragraph. Fitz missed OTA and needs to shake off the rust. Perhaps something like Fitz get the 1st half and both Geno and Brice get 1 quarter each though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, varjet said: If the Jets keep 4 QBs, in all likelihood they will need to expose one of the rookie WR finds to the PS-Jalin Marshall or Robby Anderson, or Peake. If they end up being good, Macc will look pretty bad. On the flip side, if Fitz gets hurt and Petty is the backup QB, and he just bombs and blows the season, Macc is going to look pretty bad too. I don't think Mac is in too bad a place either way. Having found so much talent at WR that he has to cut a good one is a good problem to have. Key would be not to cut the one who's the best of the lot three years from now. And if he cuts Geno, I don't think the fanbase will be too torn up if Petty doesn't tear it up. Fans so couldn't wait for Sanchez to be shown the door that Geno's play as a rookie was generally forgiven. All Mac really needs is for Petty or Hack to start being a decent starter as soon as next year. Oh, and Fitz will play one half+ this week. He needs the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I know is itching for Football, so every little thing is amplified but holy sh*t. The overreactions around here are insane. Literally, insane. It's almost like the entire board just started watching Football and havent been informed the preseason means absolutely nothing, like, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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