The Crusher Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Just now, RutgersJetFan said: Not possible. I'd have to stop using saran wrap and sarcasm, and I wouldn't be able to listen to my favorite Jefferson Starship song. Yes but at least you can stop having nightmares about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 19 minutes ago, flgreen said: That's for Macc to decide Bowles does not report to Macc. Bowles was hired by Woody before Macc was hired. They both report to Woody. Macc puts together the roster, runs the draft and claims players. Woody runs football "operations." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 4 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Not possible. I'd have to stop using saran wrap and sarcasm, and I wouldn't be able to listen to my favorite Jefferson Starship song. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 3 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: Rex would have given them a pass. Bowles actually held them accountable. Belicheck would have traded them and then went to the SuperBowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSfaninNE Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, varjet said: Bowles does not report to Macc. Bowles was hired by Woody before Macc was hired. They both report to Woody. Macc puts together the roster, runs the draft and claims players. Woody runs football "operations." This is only partially true. Macc was hired first and attended the 2nd interview for Bowles. Bowles isnt' Macc's guy but he did have a say in the hire. But if you were Macc and just got your first GM job and your very first task is to quickly decide on Bowles or Dan Quinn, one which you aren't even going to get to talk to until the week before the Superbowl what do you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Just now, Integrity28 said: Belicheck would have traded them and then went to the SuperBowl. Having the greatest modern QB helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 3 hours ago, Dcat said: this is what Mehta was referring to when he tweeted that jets fans would be shocked at what some players get away with. THis was the culture under Rex and it continues similarly under Bowles. FML. Yea, that's what I thought of when I saw this snippet too... 3 hours ago, BroadwayJets said: Mo has now been benched twice. Seems like Mehta was actually right about him. Santonio 2.0 Ugh. 3 hours ago, nyjunc said: at least under rex the players played hard and were well coached. Sometimes, and not all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Integrity28 said: Belicheck would have traded them and then went to the SuperBowl. No doubt there. He stuck us with Revis like we were playing some NFL version of old maid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Having the greatest modern QB helps Has nothing to do with setting a standard for behavior and enforcing it. Nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 1 minute ago, Integrity28 said: Has nothing to do with setting a standard for behavior and enforcing it. Nothing at all. He can get away with it because of Brady. Mangini did the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 5 hours ago, section314 said: Jets version of Doc and Straw? Pfft, we wish they were that good. Doc and Straw can no show and do blow and I'm ok with it, with how they performed. All time greats. Mo and Sheldon, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 this is a side show If the d backs could cover, if the offense and specials were even decent, the story about the star D-linemen not showing to meetings would be more worry-some The D line is like the only good part of this team. For those saying this makes Bowles look bad, Bowles did bench the stars by the way even tho Mo went to the same school Temple university. That seems like high character HC not low character. Even though again these are the few difference makers on the roster. Other HCs don't bench their difference makers, Dez Bryant hasn't been to a team meeting since ever. It seems like discipline and possibly an effective one. The pros like to play in games. Bowles as a former player understands how that feels to be watching the action on gameday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: He can get away with it because of Brady. Mangini did the same thing. No, he gets away with running a tight ship, because it produces results. How often do you see the Patriots fail to capitalize on another team's mistake? Almost never. It's not just Brady, as we saw when he was suspended. This is just another naive objection in a long list of them, from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 5 hours ago, NYJ37/12 said: no surprise. This is why Wilk should have NOT been signed. Cant stand Sheldon. $90 million baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Good thing we got rid of Snacks. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Just now, Integrity28 said: No, he gets away with running a tight ship, because it produces results. How often do you see the Patriots fail to capitalize on another team's mistake? Almost never. It's not just Brady, as we saw when he was suspended. This is just another naive objection in a long list of them, from you. You misunderstand. If Belichick behaved this way and didnt win those Super Bowls, he would have been fired. Brady and the 2001 season bought him time to implement said system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 1 minute ago, SAR I said: Good thing we got rid of Snacks. SAR I Would you have paid him that money? At that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Bowles benches Mo and Sheldon for being late to meetings but doesn't bench Ryan Fitzpatrick for totally disrespecting the entire organization is a press conference. This is why Todd Brillo face Bowles must go he's a moron who selectively enforces team rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 22 minutes ago, varjet said: Bowles does not report to Macc. Bowles was hired by Woody before Macc was hired. They both report to Woody. Macc puts together the roster, runs the draft and claims players. Woody runs football "operations." Scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: this is a side show If the d backs could cover, if the offense and specials were even decent, the story about the star D-linemen not showing to meetings would be more worry-some The D line is like the only good part of this team. For those saying this makes Bowles look bad, Bowles did bench the stars by the way even tho Mo went to the same school Temple university. That seems like high character HC not low character. Even though again these are the few difference makers on the roster. Other HCs don't bench their difference makers, Dez Bryant hasn't been to a team meeting since ever. It seems like discipline and possibly an effective one. The pros like to play in games. Bowles as a former player understands how that feels to be watching the action on gameday. The D Line isn't all that good either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Just now, bitonti said: this is a side show If the d backs could cover, if the offense and specials were even decent, the story about the star D-linemen not showing to meetings would be more worry-some The D line is like the only good part of this team. For those saying this makes Bowles look bad, Bowles did bench the stars by the way even tho Mo went to the same school Temple university. That seems like high character HC not low character. Even though again these are the few difference makers on the roster. Other HCs don't bench their difference makers, Dez Bryant hasn't been to a team meeting since ever. It seems like discipline and possibly an effective one. The pros like to play in games. Bowles as a former player understands how that feels to be watching the action on gameday. It does make Bowles look bad, because discipline or not, these clowns had the audacity to disrespect the program to begin with. These guys are major contributors to the overall attitude of the team. Similar to how Faneca, Tony Richardson and other veterans have helped augment our coaches in the past years, guys like this undermine them... like Holmes and Plax. This type of crap has a huge ripple effect. Bowles has very little command over the moral and commitment of this team. It's very alarming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Would you have paid him that money? Knowing what we know now, perhaps. Character and work ethic means a lot in the NFL. Damon Harrison appears to be a good teammate and a hard worker in East Rutherford, what we've got in Florham Park leaves little to be desired. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: You misunderstand. If Belichick behaved this way and didnt win those Super Bowls, he would have been fired. Brady and the 2001 season bought him time to implement said system lol, nope... as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Just now, SAR I said: Knowing what we know now, perhaps. Character and work ethic means a lot in the NFL. Damon Harrison appears to be a good teammate and a hard worker in East Rutherford, what we've got in Florham Park leaves little to be desired. SAR I No hindsight allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Bowles benches Mo and Sheldon for being late to meetings but doesn't bench Ryan Fitzpatrick for totally disrespecting the entire organization is a press conference. This is why Todd Brillo face Bowles must go he's a moron who selectively enforces team rules. Bowles doesn't know what he is doing. He should have benched Fitz for that, or at least reprimanded him for being a child. And he should have benched him for his pathetic play on the field. I used to get so mad when Fitz played like Fitz.. now I just laugh. Legit laugh. Bowles allows it, and I guess Woody does too. The 31 other teams in the league would have went to their backup a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 1 minute ago, Integrity28 said: lol, nope... as usual. You can't prove me wrong. Unless of course you know the man. He would still be in Cleveland if that system worked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Just now, pointman said: Bowles doesn't know what he is doing. He should have bench Fitz for that, or at least reprimanded him for being a child. And he should have benched him for his pathetic play on the field. I used to get so mad when Fitz played like Fitz.. now I just laugh. Legit laugh. Bowles allows it, and I guess Woody does too. The 31 other teams in the league would have went to their backup a long time ago. I laugh too it keeps me sane. The thought that this organization is so bad that we are relying on the worst QB in the NFL to win us games is truly pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: I laugh too it keeps me sane. The thought that this organization is so bad that we are relying on the worst QB in the NFL to win us games is truly pathetic. I just don't get it, man. I don't. Its like the cycle never ends and we don't do the most basic things right. Look at the stats, Fitz is terrible. He shouldn't even be in the league. He is a poor man's Pennington minus the ability to manage a game.. so basically, he has a noodle arm and nothing else. How we keep marching that buffoon out there under center every week is just mind boggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Speaking of which, that is a fear to firing Bowles. Dumped Pete Carroll after a year and Cleveland dumps Bill Belichick..... Holy crap we are the Browns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, pointman said: Bowles doesn't know what he is doing. He should have bench Fitz for that, or at least reprimanded him for being a child. And he should have benched him for his pathetic play on the field. I used to get so mad when Fitz played like Fitz.. now I just laugh. Legit laugh. Bowles allows it, and I guess Woody does too. The 31 other teams in the league would have went to their backup a long time ago. Bench a player for being frustrated and saying some things to the press? Come on. That is nowhere near the same as not putting in the time or work. You can clearly see Mo and Sheldon are not putting in the work just by how they play. Fitz's performance may suck ass but at least the guy is trying every down. Sometimes I wish he wouldn't but FFS the guy is making an effort every down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: You can't prove me wrong. Unless of course you know the man. He would still be in Cleveland if that system worked You can't prove yourself right. To suggest that "having Brady" is the only way a zero-tolerance policy on detractors works is both naive, and short-sighted. Typical of your posts. There are no-nonsense coaches all over the league. Many of them would have done more than bench these guys for a 1/4 after repeatedly being undermined by them. Bowles doing something now is on par with the Dad who tries to put his kid in timeout, after laughing at the trouble he's been causing. Bowles gave away his power by tolerating. This has absolutely nothing to do with Tom Brady. It's the basic tenets of psychology and discipline. I have met Bill, by the way. He's no bullsh*t. It's why Parcells hired him, and wanted him as his heir. Also nothing to do with Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Speaking of which, that is a fear to firing Bowles. Dumped Pete Carroll after a year and Cleveland dumps Bill Belichick..... Holy crap we are the Browns lol. Bowles is NOT Pete or Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Speaking of which, that is a fear to firing Bowles. Dumped Pete Carroll after a year and Cleveland dumps Bill Belichick..... Holy crap we are the Browns Is there anything you plan on writing that isn't completely inane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 4 hours ago, kmnj said: bowles should have stated why they were sat for the first quarter-none of this coachs choice b.s when you dont hold the inmates accountable they run the joint parcells would have blasted these guys in the media and shamed them something awful, fined them their game checks and sat their asses You mean the same Bill Parcells who let LT show up to practices and games high as a kite on drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shevys Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 4 hours ago, C Mart said: No. The players then need to go. So you allow 2-3 players that are lazy idiots dictate how you run the team? Seriously?!? Yes. Let's continue to enable Mo & Sheldon Why can't we get rid of all three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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