ZachEY Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: No, No. it just seems that firing a guy after two years because of his drafts when they hardly had a chance to develop is weird. A Dr. Who obessession is "weird." Firing Idzik was the right move at the time, and proven correct by history. In fact, it would have been a huge mistake to keep Idzik. You're forgetting the circumstances. When he was hired, he was forced to keep Rex. After 2 years, they fired Rex, the correct move. If they kept Idzik, he hires a new coach... Now, what do you do if you are still unhappy with Idzik after year 3? Fire him and the new coach after 1 year, or fire him and force the next new GM to keep that coach, as you just did with Idzik/Rex? Or, risk a 4th year of Idzik drafting and then maybe you fire a coach after 2 seasons if it doesn't work? There was no choice. Which is exactly the reason why the GM job was less attractive when Idzik was hired. There was no margin for error. Not that his drafting put him close to that margin, if there were one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 14 minutes ago, #90 said: The Jets are going full steam ahead with The "Suck For Sam" campaign for 2017. Benji I. at LT SUUUUCKS. And Cutler is on his way! Next season New GM, New coach and New young star QB. Keep up the sucking Mikey. One year, in return for a clean slate and a young franchise QB... deal me in!! If Woody gave his blessing for the total breakdown/rebuild, then Mac isn't going to be replaced for a while. Perhaps the same for Bowles too unless he once again displays lack of adequate game preparation, inability to make adjustments during a game and lack of control over his clubhouse. Bowles is perfectly capable of displaying his ineptitude whether we have good players on the field or all rookies. He might be worthy of being fired even in the middle of a complete rebuild, he is that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 There is nothing stupid about what the Jets are not doing. The first day of the NFL calendar year is not a good shopping day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 32 minutes ago, Maxman said: Macc and Bowles will both be here in 2018. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: But the judgement was made too early. That's the point So you claim, but all of the evidence proves otherwise. The 2013 draft already looked like pure crap outside of Richardson, and the 2014 draft had 5 guys who didn't even make the team, another who was already the injury mess everyone knew he would be, and not a single other player from the draft having shown a damn thing. A 6th round pick in Enunwa eventually stepped up in year 3, the rest of it was absolute garbage. To have Idzik destroy another draft and be involved in the hiring of a HC would have been pure stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said: So you claim, but all of the evidence proves otherwise. The 2013 draft already looked like pure crap outside of Richardson, and the 2014 draft had 5 guys who didn't even make the team, another who was already the injury mess everyone knew he would be, and not a single other player from the draft having shown a damn thing. A 6th round pick in Enunwa eventually stepped up in year 3, the rest of it was absolute garbage. To have Idzik destroy another draft and be involved in the hiring of a HC would have been pure stupidity. Yup, and as I said, what do you do with the new coach after the Idzik's 3rd bad draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 32 minutes ago, JiF said: Why? They took a QB in the 1st round last year. Gotta give young QBs two redshirt years minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, gEYno said: Yup, and as I said, what do you do with the new coach after the Idzik's 3rd bad draft? If you keep repeating the same bad decisions, it will eventually work itself out, right? Isn't that a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, T0mShane said: Gotta give young QBs two redshirt years minimum. Lynch started 2 games last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, JiF said: Lynch started 2 games last year. He's probably ruined then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: He's probably ruined then. Totes. Makes that Lee pick look better and better every time he watches a play happen right in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, JiF said: Totes. Makes that Lee pick look better and better every time he watches a play happen right in front of him. Did you know that Darron Lee is a mere ten pounds lighter than Luke Keuchly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: Yes NOW you can say that. But two years ago, could you say that? I'm going to be brutally honest. Quincy Enunwa and McDougle were the only players I thought were ok picks. I loathed and despised almost every other pick from that draft. It was horrendous from the very first pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: But the judgement was made too early. That's the point No it wasn't. Idzik was an absolute sh*t show in every way, shape, and form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: No, No. it just seems that firing a guy after two years because of his drafts when they hardly had a chance to develop is weird. It has nothing to do with development. He said the team would be "quarterback obsessed," watched Geno bumble through a disaster of a rookie season, then sat on his hands while Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr were scooped up by teams that know their ass from a hole in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: It has nothing to do with development. He said the team would be "quarterback obsessed," watched Geno bumble through a disaster of a rookie season, then sat on his hands while Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr were scooped up by teams that know their ass from a hole in the ground. They went 8-8 in his rookie season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: They went 8-8 in his rookie season And he was 43rd in DYAR. There is no universe in which Geno's 2013 season should have convinced anyone to pass on any viable QB prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: And he was 43rd in DYAR. There is no universe in which Geno's 2013 season should have convinced anyone to pass on any viable QB prospect. The problem is that if you draft a QB that high and he leads the team to wins, you have to think positive about improvement. Doesn't mean that you can't draft a QB late, but again that high? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: The problem is that if you draft a QB that high and he leads the team to wins, you have to think positive about improvement. Doesn't mean that you can't draft a QB late, but again that high? Is this a serious question? Yes, that high. You draft one until you have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: Is this a serious question? Yes, that high. You draft one until you have one. Then why didn't we draft another QB after Sanchez's rookie season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Then why didn't we draft another QB after Sanchez's rookie season? In retrospect, that would have been a really good idea, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Did you know that Darron Lee is a mere ten pounds lighter than Luke Keuchly? And only 13 pounds lighter then Lawrence Taylor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, BurnleyJet said: And only 13 pounds lighter then Lawrence Taylor... Same guy practically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: In retrospect, that would have been a really good idea, no? But why wasn't it done? Because that's the way things are done. You can't immediately after one year give up on a guy. Can you think of any team that has spent multiple top picks in back to back years on QBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: But why wasn't it done? Because that's the way things are done. You can't immediately after one year give up on a guy. Because Mike Tannenbaum's a ******* moron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: Because Mike Tannenbaum's a ******* moron? Name me a team that has done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 If they fire Bowles and/or Macc, the next move will be to hire a respected full time team president otherwise no decent coach or GM candidate will even take Woody's call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Name me a team that has done it. Washington gave up a mint for RGIII and then took Kirk Cousins in the exact same draft, which has worked out pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just now, dbatesman said: Washington gave up a mint for RGIII and then took Kirk Cousins in the exact same draft, which has worked out pretty well. Has it? RGIII is gone and Kirk Cousins wants to be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Has it? RGIII is gone and Kirk Cousins wants to be traded. Ok, that does it. I had my doubts, but I am now 100% sure this is @T0mShane doing a bit, and no one can convince me otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Jimmy Clausen --> Cam Newton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I'll give you a hint . The GM, the player personal guy and the HC are all taking part in this thread . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 hours ago, JiF said: Why? They took a QB in the 1st round last year. okay, anyone think elllway really care if lnch doesn't work out? i don't think so. the guy has some serious job security from the superbowl win and he's not going to be afraid to darft a thrid qb until he gets one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 57 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: But why wasn't it done? Because that's the way things are done. You can't immediately after one year give up on a guy. Can you think of any team that has spent multiple top picks in back to back years on QBs? why would they have drafted a guy (at least use a high draft pick) after sanchez's first season considering they went to the afc championship game? they wouldn't. but teams do stockpile qb's. the patsies drafted garapolo with a 2nd or 3rd round pick and followed on two seasons later with brisset. the thing is, these guys can become assets and trading pieces even if they don't knock off the starting qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 50 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Has it? RGIII is gone and Kirk Cousins wants to be traded. Why don't you take a stab at answering my question? If you give Idzik another year, and he fails again, what do you do with your sophomore coach? Fire him or force him on the next GM? Or, do you let Idzik go for a 4th draft after failing 3? If so, are you willing to fire the HC after two seasons, or do you force him on the next GM? Of course you could give IdZik a 5th draft? Alternatively, you could acknowledge that your entire posting thesis for two years was based on a fundamentally insufficient understanding of the situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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