varjet Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 36 minutes ago, Jetster said: Other than Mo what veteran salaries is he stuck with large cap hits? Skrine & Forte will be gone. And he'd save 11 million cutting Mo with I believe an 8 million cap hit. So after trading Sheldon, and possibly cutting Kearse next offseason (5 million), Jets would be approximately 85/95 million dollars under the cap. McClendon, Skrine and Kerley were kept/signed for this year, and the Jets are on the hook for their salaries this year. Given what we saw on Sunday, we were better off without them and with the money, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 Pass on Mayfield. Just give me a top 3 pick I'd be fine with Darnold, Rosen or Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Pass on Mayfield. Just give me a top 3 pick I'd be fine with Darnold, Rosen or Allen. Don't think you're gonna have to worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 17, 2017 Author Share Posted September 17, 2017 Got absolutely no help in the early games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ZachEY Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 Lots of games to keep an eye on this week: Thursday Night: Rams at 49ers -- Either 9ers get their first win, or Rams jump up to two, and likely out of contention early on. Ravens at Jags -- Good that the Jags got one early win, but they're looking at 1-2 here. They do have a bunch of winnable games coming up though. Browns at Colts -- Someone gets their first win. Good news either way! Giants at Eagles -- Is it too soon to wonder if we need to start thinking about the Giants? Dolphins at Jets -- Obviously Broncos at Bills -- Bills likely to drop to 1-2 here Saints at Panthers -- Drew Brees should be able to get them some wins, but they could drop to 0-3 here Steelers at Bears -- Bears should drop to 0-3 here Bengals at Packers -- Bengals should drop to 0-3 here Chiefs at Chargers -- Chargers are my sleeper pick to stick around, and could go 0-3 here too Lots of teams looking at an 0-3 start to the year, I would not be at all surprised if there are 8 of them. The most likely to win actually may be the Jets. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Prediction: If four or more teams finish with 2 or less wins, we'll see a draft lottery by next season. And I think it could happen. A lot of teams are clearly not trying very hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, gEYno said: Lots of games to keep an eye on this week: Thursday Night: Rams at 49ers -- Either 9ers get their first win, or Rams jump up to two, and likely out of contention early on. Ravens at Jags -- Good that the Jags got one early win, but they're looking at 1-2 here. They do have a bunch of winnable games coming up though. Browns at Colts -- Someone gets their first win. Good news either way! Giants at Eagles -- Is it too soon to wonder if we need to start thinking about the Giants? Dolphins at Jets -- Obviously Broncos at Bills -- Bills likely to drop to 1-2 here Saints at Panthers -- Drew Brees should be able to get them some wins, but they could drop to 0-3 here Steelers at Bears -- Bears should drop to 0-3 here Bengals at Packers -- Bengals should drop to 0-3 here Chiefs at Chargers -- Chargers are my sleeper pick to stick around, and could go 0-3 here too Lots of teams looking at an 0-3 start to the year, I would not be at all surprised if there are 8 of them. The most likely to win actually may be the Jets. Thoughts? I don't know. Teams like the Giants, Saints, Bengals, and Chargers have to much talent to be discussed. They'll get their wins here and there. Bills are a wildcard. I think it's the Jets, 49ers, Browns, Bears and Colts unless Luck returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, gEYno said: Lots of games to keep an eye on this week: Thursday Night: Rams at 49ers -- Either 9ers get their first win, or Rams jump up to two, and likely out of contention early on. Ravens at Jags -- Good that the Jags got one early win, but they're looking at 1-2 here. They do have a bunch of winnable games coming up though. Browns at Colts -- Someone gets their first win. Good news either way! Giants at Eagles -- Is it too soon to wonder if we need to start thinking about the Giants? Dolphins at Jets -- Obviously Broncos at Bills -- Bills likely to drop to 1-2 here Saints at Panthers -- Drew Brees should be able to get them some wins, but they could drop to 0-3 here Steelers at Bears -- Bears should drop to 0-3 here Bengals at Packers -- Bengals should drop to 0-3 here Chiefs at Chargers -- Chargers are my sleeper pick to stick around, and could go 0-3 here too Lots of teams looking at an 0-3 start to the year, I would not be at all surprised if there are 8 of them. The most likely to win actually may be the Jets. Thoughts? Chargers are only 3 point underdogs and jags are only 4 point underdogs. So there is hope for those two teams to pull out wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 yeah... so how does the Jets winning this Sunday impact Tankapalooza? Cause hate to break it to you but we're beating the fins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 On 9/12/2017 at 2:43 PM, section314 said: Don't think you're gonna have to worry about it. Why do we think picking 3 is going to get us a QB in this draft? At minimum one of the top 2 teams will need a QB, and that leaves the other team open for business based on the 100% certainty that the Jets will take a QB if one is available at 3. The best move at that point, is to offer a package including one of our 2nd round picks, to move from 3 to 2 - even if it costs us "a lot". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Did anyone really think/hope we'd be the lone winless team (among the coalition of the lousy) after 2 weeks, and further believe it's indicative of anything by the time the season's ended? Even awful teams will often eke out 4-5 wins just from coin-toss wins vs. equally-futile teams, and lucky-timed injury matchups with better ones. The odds of only 1-2 teams ending up with 4 wins or fewer (the total that yielded the #1 pick in an outstanding 2004 draft class) is virtually nonexistent in any year. Almost any team finishing with 4 wins could have just as easily finished with 3 or 2 wins (or 5-6 wins) if the ball bounced a different way. So it's too early to suggest this is some special year of mass ineptitude, the likes of which the NFL has never seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 55 minutes ago, Pac said: yeah... so how does the Jets winning this Sunday impact Tankapalooza? Cause hate to break it to you but we're beating the fins. Maybe. But I wouldn't bet on it. Have we ever beaten Cutler? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 In 2004 Eli went #1 overall to (then) the Chargers. They finished a league-worst 4-12, as did 3 other teams (including the Giants). That is super-lucky; it really doesn't happen anymore as there's always a team with 1-3 wins (if not multiple such teams) every year of late. And any team that won 4 could have just as easily won only 3 (if not 2 or 1). So there are always plenty of terrible teams to make a top-3 pick very competitive. - In 2016 there were teams with 1, 2, and 3 wins (plus another with 4) = 4 teams 4-12 or worse. Without even tanking we lucked our way into getting as many as 5 wins and pre-combine hype aside, in the end the only QB we missed out on was Trubisky (hardly a sure thing anyway, who shot up late, and certainly not some consensus #1 type prospect regardless of how he ultimately turns out). - In 2015, a pair of 3-win teams and a pair of 4-win teams = 4 teams 4-12 or worse in the Goff/Wentz/Lynch draft, also hardly considered a class of the ages back then. For a while Goff was projected to go only 7th overall, and maybe Wentz would go #1 but only by lack of better prospects that year, and Lynch eventually projected as high as 7-9 maybe. Online sites touted as many as 5 different prospects could go in round 1, at one time or another (including Hackenberg and Cook). So far the most successful of the lot went late in round 4. - In 2014, a pair of 2, 3, and 4-win teams = 6 teams 4-12 or worse - In 2013, a 2-win and a 3-win team, but also five 4-win teams = 7 teams 4-12 or worse - In 2012, a pair of 2-win teams (with what would become a QB-less draft class) = 5 teams 4-12 or worse - In 2011, a pair of 2-win teams plus a 3-win team and two 4-win teams = 5 teams 4-12 or worse So 3 of the last 6 seasons saw a 2-win team fail to secure the #1 overall pick. A hapless, 3-win team would have only ended up with even the #2 pick twice in the last 6 years (one of those being the Manuel/Geno 2013 draft). So this year isn't so special in terms of bad teams. Besides, the whole thing with such a hyped/deep QB draft class is precisely that the QB talent isn't limited to just 1 or 2 prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, nycdan said: Prediction: If four or more teams finish with 2 or less wins, we'll see a draft lottery by next season. And I think it could happen. A lot of teams are clearly not trying very hard. They probably should do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, MDL_JET said: I don't know. Teams like the Giants, Saints, Bengals, and Chargers have to much talent to be discussed. They'll get their wins here and there. Bills are a wildcard. I think it's the Jets, 49ers, Browns, Bears and Colts unless Luck returns. They will probably all be gone, but for now, they're all looking at 0-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Pac said: yeah... so how does the Jets winning this Sunday impact Tankapalooza? Cause hate to break it to you but we're beating the fins. While I bet you also said that about the Bills, I think there's an okay chance we win. That said, they swept us last year, and we are undoubtedly not better than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 On 9/10/2017 at 5:07 PM, 20andOut said: I've been a critic of the "suck for sam" approach but after the last 24 hrs of football (Jets today, USC last night) I may be all in. welcome !.. grab a cold one & chill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Pac said: yeah... so how does the Jets winning this Sunday impact Tankapalooza? Cause hate to break it to you but we're beating the fins. BEFORE cutler.. possible...now,.. No chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: In 2004 Eli went #1 overall to (then) the Chargers. They finished a league-worst 4-12, as did 3 other teams (including the Giants). That is super-lucky; it really doesn't happen anymore as there's always a team with 1-3 wins (if not multiple such teams) every year of late. And any team that won 4 could have just as easily won only 3 (if not 2 or 1). So there are always plenty of terrible teams to make a top-3 pick very competitive. - In 2016 there were teams with 1, 2, and 3 wins (plus another with 4) = 4 teams 4-12 or worse. Without even tanking we lucked our way into getting as many as 5 wins and pre-combine hype aside, in the end the only QB we missed out on was Trubisky (hardly a sure thing anyway, who shot up late, and certainly not some consensus #1 type prospect regardless of how he ultimately turns out). - In 2015, a pair of 3-win teams and a pair of 4-win teams = 4 teams 4-12 or worse in the Goff/Wentz/Lynch draft, also hardly considered a class of the ages back then. For a while Goff was projected to go only 7th overall, and maybe Wentz would go #1 but only by lack of better prospects that year, and Lynch eventually projected as high as 7-9 maybe. Online sites touted as many as 5 different prospects could go in round 1, at one time or another (including Hackenberg and Cook). So far the most successful of the lot went late in round 4. - In 2014, a pair of 2, 3, and 4-win teams = 6 teams 4-12 or worse - In 2013, a 2-win and a 3-win team, but also five 4-win teams = 7 teams 4-12 or worse - In 2012, a pair of 2-win teams (with what would become a QB-less draft class) = 5 teams 4-12 or worse - In 2011, a pair of 2-win teams plus a 3-win team and two 4-win teams = 5 teams 4-12 or worse So 3 of the last 6 seasons saw a 2-win team fail to secure the #1 overall pick. A hapless, 3-win team would have only ended up with even the #2 pick twice in the last 6 years (one of those being the Manuel/Geno 2013 draft). So this year isn't so special in terms of bad teams. Besides, the whole thing with such a hyped/deep QB draft class is precisely that the QB talent isn't limited to just 1 or 2 prospects. A lot of these bad teams start playing each other soon. This week, we have two such match-ups. Next week, we play JAX, Bengals v. Browns, even 49ers vs. Cardinals could be relevant. Following week, we play the Browns, 49ers vs. Colts, Bills vs. Bengals, and Chargers vs. Giants. So, yeah, plenty of wins to be had out there for teams performing poorly right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Its all about the next 3 weeks for us. We have to lose those. The jaguars is our biggest potential win. We're home and they're coming back from a London game. But, just think how bad we'll really be once injuries start kicking into our team. We'll probably end up 2-14, but hopefully everyone else is a game better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 On 9/17/2017 at 7:09 PM, gEYno said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 On 9/12/2017 at 11:26 AM, EM31 said: Obviously the best best case is that we have the #1 and are coy about which of the QBs we favor. It might be possible in such a case to BOTH get our guy AND pick up some additional picks along the way.... One can only dream... fap fap fap No chance. Bowles will name one of them starter in January Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 If we want the top pick, we need to lost the next 3 games. There's no room for error here - there are a couple of really bad football teams ready to compete with us in SF and CHI. I don't see Cleveland and Jacksonville as competing for a top pick. They both have enough talent to squeak out 4-5 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, kelly said: the " Kelly Kave ".. i wish !... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, BCJet said: Why do we think picking 3 is going to get us a QB in this draft? At minimum one of the top 2 teams will need a QB, and that leaves the other team open for business based on the 100% certainty that the Jets will take a QB if one is available at 3. The best move at that point, is to offer a package including one of our 2nd round picks, to move from 3 to 2 - even if it costs us "a lot". We will not be picking 3. Think higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, section314 said: We will not be picking 3. Think higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 17 minutes ago, flgreen said: No chance. Bowles will name one of them starter in January Bowles won't be the coach of this team next year. The question is if they're dumb enough to let Macc stick around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, gEYno said: Bowles won't be the coach of this team next year. The question is if they're dumb enough to let Macc stick around. Just my opinion. Don't think Bowles deserves to be HC next year, but I think he might be. I think his fate is in Macc's hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 19, 2017 Author Share Posted September 19, 2017 Also of note - the San Francisco 49ers are putting on a tanking clinic right now. They have not scored a touchdown yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gangrene Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I doubt the first or second pick in the draft will be traded unless Rosen or Darnold go into a dive this season. We all agree, the 49'ers, the Jags, the Jets, the Bills are not trading out. Here are five more teams that will likely not trade out.... The Browns have too many extra draft picks...I expect them still to draft a QB if in the top two spots, I don't see Kizer's play convincing them that he is the guy. The Bengals will not trade out, given that Andy Dalton continues to take heat... I don't see them going all in on AJ McCarron. Arizona; Ariens has not stopped talking about how they need a future qb, Carson Palmer's stock is plummeting. The Colt's ; given Luck's injuries, do you really think they will turn down another golden goose QB opportunity? The Saints; if it happens, that somehow they plummet, they are not turning down an opportunity to draft Drew Brees's replacement. There are other surprise candidates to suck, eg the Giants or the Chargers that if somehow they ended up there I don't see them trading out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 The race to the bottom of the barrel is extraordinarily competitive this season. Jets have to be on their game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Fixed. Allen is gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PS17 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 3 hours ago, nycdan said: Prediction: If four or more teams finish with 2 or less wins, we'll see a draft lottery by next season. And I think it could happen. A lot of teams are clearly not trying very hard. 2 hours ago, gEYno said: They probably should do this. The lottery has done little to discourage tanking in the NBA. I think it would have a similar non-effect in the NFL. Also, this is the only year I can remember where teams actually look like they're trying to be terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Il Mostro said: The race to the bottom of the barrel is extraordinarily competitive this season. Jets have to be on their game. Bowles keeps putting an undrafted,FA from Holy Cross out to fumble punts. He's definitely on his game, totally dialed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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