joewilly12 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 8 hours ago, Maxman said: LOL!!!!!! Please name them. We have the worst QB situation here. Despite what Frank Sinatra may have said, if you can make it in New York, you might not be able to make it anywhere. 49ers,Browns,Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 9 hours ago, Larz said: I think with this line we may see 3 or more QBs play this year. I just don't see the point in pretending Petty is a an answer to anything McCown is not a starting QB. Hackenberg, at the very least, is not ready. Petty should be getting an extended look. He's the one player in that room with the potential to surprise people with solid play this season. They should see for themselves, in games that count, what he is or isn't. That's all. He may not be the answer, but we know for certain that McCown isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pointdexter Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 To be clear, I did NOT call him Steve Young nor did anyone else. As a matter of fact I don't think Petty will ever be a top level starting qb in this league. My point is twofold: 1) saying "you are what you are at 26" is inaccurate. I gave 3 high profile examples but I could give dozens more if needed. 2) This year, ON THIS ROSTER, clearly Petty is our best option and it's the pinnacle of stupidity that he's sitting behind a 38 year old "nice guy" and a qb who's a trainwreck every time he takes the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 the mistake was signing mccown now that he is on the roster, you can't play the kids week 2, you just can't all the other positions the veterans were sent packing, or the kids earned the playing time. Not at QB, it is what it is you can't have a coaches decision this early it may not be a long wait, it may be only 4 more weeks, or it could be an injury today you don't get anywhere playing the 2nd or 3rd best player at a position week 2. its just not reality and you guys need to deal with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Pointdexter said: To be clear, I did NOT call him Steve Young nor did anyone else. As a matter of fact I don't think Petty will ever be a top level starting qb in this league. My point is twofold: 1) saying "you are what you are at 26" is inaccurate. I gave 3 high profile examples but I could give dozens more if needed. 2) This year, ON THIS ROSTER, clearly Petty is our best option and it's the pinnacle of stupidity that he's sitting behind a 38 year old "nice guy" and a qb who's a trainwreck every time he takes the field. wishful thinking statistically speaking, most of the players are already out of the league by age 26. you guys can't win this argument with a handful of exceptions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, Larz said: the mistake was signing mccown now that he is on the roster, you can't play the kids week 2, you just can't all the other positions the veterans were sent packing, or the kids earned the playing time. Not at QB, it is what it is you can't have a coaches decision this early it may not be a long wait, it may be only 4 more weeks, or it could be an injury today you don't get anywhere playing the 2nd or 3rd best player at a position week 2. its just not reality and you guys need to deal with it Josh McCown is 18-43 lifetime in the NFL as of late 2-23 please do tell what benefit it is to play him when we are supposedly rebuilding. We don't know what Petty can do or what Hackenberg can do Josh McCown is not in anyones long-term plan but Petty and Hackenberg might be. There is no valid reason to play Josh McCown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I stand corrected. As far as the NFL is concerned, you are what you are at age 25 Tuesday March 1st, 2016 The average NFL career has shortened in length by about two and a half years, according to the Wall Street Journal’s analysis of data from 2008 to 2014. The quarterback position has seen the most change from about six years to 3 years and one month. The average career across all positions fell from 4.99 years to 2.66, according the Pro-Football-Reference data observed by the WSJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 for the record, I really like Petty I am about 1% native american and I think its really cool he is part of the Chicksaw nation. Seems like a good kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 some of my best friends are black? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 20 minutes ago, Larz said: for the record, I really like Petty I am about 1% native american and I think its really cool he is part of the Chicksaw nation. Seems like a good kid. I'm 1% Asian but I don't want Jackie Chan anywhere near the field for my team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicg4360 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I was not a Bryce fan last year but he played with a lot of heart in a very crappy situation... especially to get your first shot. I wonder how many other good QB's in the first year starting would have looked much better on the '16 jets. In all likelihood all of you who don't like petty will be thoroughly justified because all QB's have been set up to fail on this offence. All I ask is to wonder what Petty would look like getting the benefits of what a Prescott has in Dallas with that line and offence. If that were the case here he would probably be in discussions to be a valid starter. Sent from my Moto Z using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 5 hours ago, glenn31 said: I never said you called him Steve Young, others in this thread did. What you asked is based on the things that come out of Bryce Petty's mouth, how can one not like him. Last I checked athletes gain respect and love from their physical ability to put on a good show and help your team win. Two things Bryce Petty, Josh McCown, and the 3rd QB have proven incapable of doing/ being. Ask any Knicks fan during the Ewing era: talk from athletes is extremely cheap. Go out there and at least play like 2002 Pennington, spark some legit hope & encouragement against REAL competition, and then we can talk about how much we like the guy. Everyone in charge of building this team not name McCagnan has to believe that the future at QB isn't on the roster (and even he has to be at least somewhat skeptical about Hack at this point). I chopped out that part of your post because that can be applied to our entire abysmal QB depth chart, since there isn't 1 bona fide NFL starter at QB here in 2017, and one can EASILY argue that we haven't had 1 since 2008. And that is why I bring up the old names going back to Troy Taylor. Jet fans LOVE to overrate our mostly scrub QBs and make excuse en masse for them. I've said it before & I'll say it again, I just know in some seedy LI bar back in the day, 2 Jet fans watched a game where O'Brien couldn't get the offense going despite having Walker, Toon, Shuler, McNeil, & Hector and they probably reached the conclusion that O'Brien and the Jets lost due to a lack of weapons. It's what y'all do. And have continued to do over the years. It might as well be genetic at this point. You my friend are conflating arguments and doubling down on meaningless non-issues. You responded to my post brought up Stevie Young whom I never referenced and then sought to hold me to a position I have never had taken. All I am saying if you have players whom you really don't believe can play or develop cut or trade them for players you do believe in. It is why when the Jets went to the AFC Championship game with Sanchez I said either get him better talent or trade him now!! See I would have procured a player or draft picks for Sanchez rather than believing he was going to elevate his game. If the Jets can, as it is rumored, to be able to get a reasonable draft pick for Petty that means something better than his fourth round grade then why not trade him? The idea that McCown should have been brought in here so that Petty or anyone you have a modicum of faith in should sit on the bench is preposterous. I repeat for you we are not taking about Ken O'Brien or any other prior Jets situation , we are talking about now and if you are ok with McCown starting and so best. I am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 How is Josh McCown still a starting quarterback in the NFL? McCown's 18 career wins are apparently still enticing for some. NFLBy Adam Patrick on September 6, 2017 6 Shares Fifteeen years after the 2002 NFL Draft, just two players from that class are still preparing to play in the upcoming 2017 football season. One is future Hall of Fame defensive end Julius Peppers, who is back with the Carolina Panthers (the team that drafted him in 2002) after spending the last three seasons with the Green Bay Packers. The other remaining member of the 2002 draft class is a quarterback by the name of Josh McCown. ADVERTISING At 38 years old, McCown will be playing for the New York Jets this season, the eighth team of his professional football career. Not only is McCown still on an actual NFL roster in 2017, the Jets have even named him as their starter for their upcoming Week 1 match-up against the Buffalo Bills. (Photo Source: Twitter) With just 18 career wins during his 14 seasons in the league, how does McCown continue to land starting jobs in the NFL? Are teams desperate or is McCown just smart when it comes to the teams he signs with? The quarterback has never led a franchise to the playoffs and he has started nine games or less in all but two of his 14 NFL seasons. Among his single-season career-highs are 2,511 passing yards, 13 touchdowns, and 14 interceptions. Yet the Jets saw enough from McCown this offseason to make him their starting quarterback. They opted to go with the continuously unsuccessful veteran signal-caller, rather than one who stands up for basic human rights and donates hundreds of thousands of dollars to various charities across the United States. (This guy also had a 90.7 QB rating in 2016.) SPONSORED CONTENT Watch A 10-Year-Old Girl Humble Brooks Koepka In Golf Challenge BY GOLF DIGEST (Photo by Jonathan Daniel/Getty Images) If not for McCown’s performance during a four-game stretch with the Chicago Bears in 2013, his career may already be over. From Week 10 to 13 in the 2013 season, McCown led the Bears to a 2-2 record while completing 70 percent of this passes for 1,271 yards, nine touchdowns, and just one interception. His play during that string of games led to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers signing the quarterback to a two-year, $10 million deal. But McCown could not even last in Tampa Bay for the entire length of his short contract. He won just one game in 11 starts for the Buccaneers and the team decided to release him during the 2015 offseason. (Photo by Gregory Shamus/Getty Images) Despite his performance with Tampa Bay, McCown was still able to land a three-year contract (three years!?) with the lowly Cleveland Browns just weeks after the Buccaneers let him go. In his two seasons with the Browns, the quarterback managed to lead the team to one win in his 11 starts. Put another way, in his last 22 starts as an NFL quarterback, McCown’s team has been on the losing end 20 times. Why do teams keep wasting their money on this guy? He has proven time and time again that he is not capable of leading an offense to any type of success, yet here we are and McCown is still a starting quarterback in the NFL. Perhaps it has to do with the types of teams that end up signing him? Look at the last three teams that have given McCown actual American money. In 2014, Tampa Bay had a new head coach in Lovie Smith and they were coming off of a 4-12 season. Their other option at quarterback was Mike Glennon (let’s not get started on this guy). so McCown basically seemed like the second coming of Joe Montana to them. When Cleveland added him to their roster in 2015, they had just finished their 12th straight year without a trip to the playoffs and were desperate to find another quarterback not named Johnny Manziel. That brings us to McCown’s arrival in New York. The Jets finished 5-11 in 2016and a quarterback group featuring Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg would leave any team scrambling for someone with working eyes and limbs. From his last three NFL contracts, one could make the assumption that McCown has been able to keep his career going by joining the team with the absolute worst quarterback situation in the league at the time. If that is actually the case, good for Josh McCown. He has successfully found a way to extend a completely unimpressive career in the NFL and make over $30 million doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I just don't understand why any fan (not talking about players or coaches) would WANT McCown to be starting right now. Even if you are 99% convinced Petty has no upside, isn't that still better and probably more interesting than watching a guy who has proven over the course of something like 15 seasons that he has no upside? Where's the win other than being unable to back down from a position you probably don't even agree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I think Petty is injury prone, and this OL is no help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Actually, Bryce Petty's first chance will come whenever the Jets mercifully trade him to a professional football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Just now, T0mShane said: Actually, Bryce Petty's first chance will come whenever the Jets mercifully trade him to a professional football team. Where he will turn into the next Kirk Cousins and we will still be watching 'never-were' veterans starting with Hack still on the bench in his 5th season as backup. Good times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 11 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: We get it, you don't like Petty. But on a team that starts the worst starting QB in the NFL (McCown) Petty can get a shot just like anybody else He can't do any worse than 2-19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, nycdan said: Where he will turn into the next Kirk Cousins and we will still be watching 'never-were' veterans starting with Hack still on the bench in his 5th season as backup. Good times! Look at the bright side: Hack's footwork will look a lot better in five years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Most QB's in this league need a couple years of playing, "as a starter" to determine if they are legit. Some successful QB's have the privilege of riding the pine until they are ready (Aaron Rodgers) and many others. I can't write Perry off yet and even if he gets his shot this year he will struggle since the O-line is weak. If a QB of Payton or Brady caliber doesnt have time they suck. He has potential, many positive attributes and could be a starter in this league. He could be a career backup as well. There's just not enough info to determine that yet. That's why he should get some playing time now. Even If he struggles and shows progress it's better than watching McCown lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 43 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Actually, Bryce Petty's first chance will come whenever the Jets mercifully trade him to a professional football team. How many phone calls do you have to make to get to petty in a trade ? 28 ? 30 ? https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/09/04/ranking-nfl-backup-quarterback-situations-patriots-jimmy-garoppolo/629175001/ 30. New York Jets: Josh McCown has experience, solid physical tools and an unselfish approach when helping younger teammates — an ideal blend of traits for a backup. Unfortunately for the Jets, the 38-year-old journeyman is their starter because youngsters Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty couldn't rise to the occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Larz said: How many phone calls do you have to make to get to petty in a trade ? 28 ? 30 ? https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/09/04/ranking-nfl-backup-quarterback-situations-patriots-jimmy-garoppolo/629175001/ 30. New York Jets: Josh McCown has experience, solid physical tools and an unselfish approach when helping younger teammates — an ideal blend of traits for a backup. Unfortunately for the Jets, the 38-year-old journeyman is their starter because youngsters Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty couldn't rise to the occasion. So you've been reduced to quoting USA Today for supporting your argument that Petty isn't worth another shot? Dude...I know you are better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Larz said: How many phone calls do you have to make to get to petty in a trade ? 28 ? 30 ? https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/09/04/ranking-nfl-backup-quarterback-situations-patriots-jimmy-garoppolo/629175001/ 30. New York Jets: Josh McCown has experience, solid physical tools and an unselfish approach when helping younger teammates — an ideal blend of traits for a backup. Unfortunately for the Jets, the 38-year-old journeyman is their starter because youngsters Christian Hackenberg and Bryce Petty couldn't rise to the occasion. We traded up for Petty in the first place because other teams were looking to do the same, and two teams tried to trade for him this summer. http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2017/09/10/report-2-teams-asked-about-bryce-petty-jets-wouldnt-trade-him/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, T0mShane said: We traded up for Petty in the first place because other teams were looking to do the same, and two teams tried to trade for him this summer. http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2017/09/10/report-2-teams-asked-about-bryce-petty-jets-wouldnt-trade-him/ Backup QBs can often be polarizing on a bad team but I have never seen anything like the reality distortion going on regarding Petty this season. The emotional investment some posters have about insisting he has no chance to be even an average starter confounds me. Any facts presented to the contrary are dismissed as outliers but any article from any crap journalist from any rag that supports the argument is cited as supporting evidence. It's like a plague that seems to be spreading and infecting even normally sane posters. Weird. The difference between saying "I don't think he will be any good but we have nothing better to do so let's give it a shot" and "He has no chance to be any good and it's not even worth wasting time giving him a shot so let's keep playing McCown" is the great divide here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 27 minutes ago, T0mShane said: We traded up for Petty in the first place because other teams were looking to do the same, and two teams tried to trade for him this summer. http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2017/09/10/report-2-teams-asked-about-bryce-petty-jets-wouldnt-trade-him/ so the jets aren't going to mercifully trade him ? Do you follow this team o captain my captain ? Minny signed a UDFA after calling everybody. Know I feel better about Petty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 29 minutes ago, nycdan said: So you've been reduced to quoting USA Today for supporting your argument that Petty isn't worth another shot? Dude...I know you are better than that. reduced ? Just giving you guys clarity on how non-jets fans see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetgreen13 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 3 hours ago, slats said: McCown is not a starting QB. Hackenberg, at the very least, is not ready. Petty should be getting an extended look. He's the one player in that room with the potential to surprise people with solid play this season. They should see for themselves, in games that count, what he is or isn't. That's all. He may not be the answer, but we know for certain that McCown isn't. well, apparently everyone but bowles..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn31 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 19 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: You my friend are conflating arguments and doubling down on meaningless non-issues. You responded to my post brought up Stevie Young whom I never referenced and then sought to hold me to a position I have never had taken. All I am saying if you have players whom you really don't believe can play or develop cut or trade them for players you do believe in. It is why when the Jets went to the AFC Championship game with Sanchez I said either get him better talent or trade him now!! See I would have procured a player or draft picks for Sanchez rather than believing he was going to elevate his game. If the Jets can, as it is rumored, to be able to get a reasonable draft pick for Petty that means something better than his fourth round grade then why not trade him? The idea that McCown should have been brought in here so that Petty or anyone you have a modicum of faith in should sit on the bench is preposterous. I repeat for you we are not taking about Ken O'Brien or any other prior Jets situation , we are talking about now and if you are ok with McCown starting and so best. I am not. We clearly see the QB abilities of Bryce Petty along 2 different wavelengths and we simply won't reach a consensus until his play proves one of us wrong. Let's just agree to disagree and carry on with this miserable season produced by a miserable organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicg4360 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I get Petty did not show us the "it" factor we were looking for last year. The question I ask what were you expecting? When you throw a qb with no starting experience to the wolves your going to have a kill. He actually won a gamewhich shocked me regardless of the team. It was ugly but a win. He actually has a higher winning percentage than McCown right now. I'm not all in on Petty but I think last year should not be a way to grade him. Unless you are looking at "let's see how he does with no support from his receivers and a busted Oline and see if he survives" kinda test. His first game was ridiculous. He was completely handcuffed in what they allowed him to do so essentially there are really only 3 games to grade him. I get it ....it's a rant. But let him sink or swim. Take '16 off the books and just try and be more open minded with what is going on now because last year the offence was an abomination in all ways...not just qb. Sent from my Moto Z using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 hours ago, glenn31 said: We clearly see the QB abilities of Bryce Petty along 2 different wavelengths and we simply won't reach a consensus until his play proves one of us wrong. Let's just agree to disagree and carry on with this miserable season produced by a miserable organization. While I also disagree with you on Petty, this is a perfect statement. Hopefully Petty will either rise or fall and then we'll all have clarity and a common vision of what he is and/or can become. And this season and organization are, indeed, miserable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, nicg4360 said: I get Petty did not show us the "it" factor we were looking for last year. The question I ask what were you expecting? When you throw a qb with no starting experience to the wolves your going to have a kill. He actually won a gamewhich shocked me regardless of the team. It was ugly but a win. He actually has a higher winning percentage than McCown right now. I'm not all in on Petty but I think last year should not be a way to grade him. Unless you are looking at "let's see how he does with no support from his receivers and a busted Oline and see if he survives" kinda test. His first game was ridiculous. He was completely handcuffed in what they allowed him to do so essentially there are really only 3 games to grade him. I get it ....it's a rant. But let him sink or swim. Take '16 off the books and just try and be more open minded with what is going on now because last year the offence was an abomination in all ways...not just qb. Sent from my Moto Z using JetNation.com mobile app So just noodling this a bit. If last season was an abomination, what descriptor do we hang on this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I would like to see Petty get the next 14 games to prove himself, but I think it's a pipe dream to expect him to seize the moment (whenever it actually comes) and run away with the starting job. I think he's fighting for his life to stay in the NFL. If he starts multiple games in 2017 and performms as he did in 2016, he will be out of football in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 We do need to see Petty in real game action, against starters. This season should be used to figure out what we have with all the young players that we have to put on the field. That includes the WR's too. Live and Die with the kids. I don't want to see anymore Jeremy Kerley (unless fair catching a punt). Starters barring injury should be: QB- Petty RB- Powell WR- Anderson, Kearse, Stewart, Hansen TE- ASJ / TYE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady's a catcher Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 21 hours ago, nycdan said: So you've been reduced to quoting USA Today for supporting your argument that Petty isn't worth another shot? Dude...I know you are better than that. Hey, pre-internet the USA Today sports section was the sh*t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 On 9/16/2017 at 8:28 PM, Larz said: at 26 years old you are what you are he's a backup Backup for 30 other teams = capable starter for us. Josh McCown is also a backup, and Christian Hackenberg is a future CFL backup. What do we have to lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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