Sam Darnold Should NOT Start

[MaxAF]

1 hour ago, Greenseed4 said:

I have the solution. Josh McCown was playing lights out last season...until the fourth qtr, when he gave away countless games. 

He’s our starter. Period.

Unless we’re playing from behind, in which case we insert Teddy.

And in the fourth qtr, and/or every high pressure redzone situation, we plug in Darnold. He’s our closer. 

I hope you’re joking. This isn’t baseball. You name a starter and stick with him until he gets hurt or stinks up the field.

[Warfish]

8 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

I hope you’re joking. This isn’t baseball. You name a starter and stick with him until he gets hurt or stinks up the field.

That's exactly what Baseball used to think.

It's an intriguing concept (situational specialist substitutions at QB and the misdirection that such a system could also accomplish), but hard to see the NFL, as ultra conservative as it is, ever going that route.

Would love to see someone try it tho.  

[Scoop24]

Start Darnold new era is now .. starting anyone else at this point is a waste of time .. let this kid go through his ups and down now so he is battle tested and ready to go for next season. 

 

3 games in 10 days is a ton experience he won’t be able to replicate while siting on the bench . 

[greenwichjetfan]

2 hours ago, Greenseed4 said:

I have the solution. Josh McCown was playing lights out last season...until the fourth qtr, when he gave away countless games. 

He’s our starter. Period.

Unless we’re playing from behind, in which case we insert Teddy.

And in the fourth qtr, and/or every high pressure redzone situation, we plug in Darnold. He’s our closer. 

 

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

That's exactly what Baseball used to think.

It's an intriguing concept (situational specialist substitutions at QB and the misdirection that such a system could also accomplish), but hard to see the NFL, as ultra conservative as it is, ever going that route.

Would love to see someone try it tho.  

I felt the same way when I was younger about Vinny and Chad. Let Chad start the games, keep it close or build a small lead, but if we were ever down more than 7 when you knew Chad wasn't ever going to bring us back, bring in Vinny T the closer.

People laughed at my idea.

 

[greenwichjetfan]

1 minute ago, Scoop24 said:

Start Darnold new era is now .. starting anyone else at this point is a waste of time .. let this kid go through his ups and down now so he is battle tested and ready to go for next season. 

 

3 games in 10 days is a ton experience he won’t be able to replicate while siting on the bench . 

"Battle tested" could also be "battle scarred". Not sure I want to risk that distinction in the first 11 days of our potential savior's career.

[Larz]

Is this really happening? 

We are really debating playing a player because it might be too hard or he might get hit? 

Smdh ******* embarrassing actually 

 

[Scoop24]

22 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

"Battle tested" could also be "battle scarred". Not sure I want to risk that distinction in the first 11 days of our potential savior's career.

Darnold has not shown himself to be weak mentally at any level .. dude literally plays his best ball after mistakes . So yeah I’m not worried about battle scarred at all ... 

[MaxAF]

9 minutes ago, Larz said:

Is this really happening? 

We are really debating playing a player because it might be too hard or he might get hit? 

Smdh ******* embarrassing actually 

 

2018. Unfortunately brother it’s the world we live in today. 

What I don’t see in Sam is what I did see in Hack and Petty. Grossly inaccurate passes, panic in the pocket, misreads of the Defense in pre snap sets and an overall sense of being lost out there on the field. This kid will have his ups and downs especially with a suspect O-line but every play and every game will make  Darnold better. I’m convinced of this. 

[Scoop24]

17 minutes ago, Larz said:

Is this really happening? 

We are really debating playing a player because it might be too hard or he might get hit? 

Smdh ******* embarrassing actually 

 

Lol I said it in game thread dude is former linebacker they acting like he is josh Rosen out here., 

plus with Beachum and Winters back he should have better protection anyway .

Darnold doesn’t need to be coddled . You can hear it in his interviews he lives for this . 

[Jetster]

Everyone acts like he'll somehow be better watching 3/4/5 games from the bench & then boom, "coach, I'm ready!"  Darnold should have the nickname Darnold Duck, everything rolls off his back. 

Sam has the right mentality for the game, it was his strength in college. He's a born leader, leaders never give up, and they don't lament sh*t that just happened. They learn from every situation & they more focused under pressure, unlike guys like Sanchez hanging his head or Geno blaming everything on everyone but himself. 

This franchise fans are QB deprived, we're so protective of this kid some don't even want him to play this year. Wentz tore his ACL & he's got a great line & did it running the ball. Sams an NFL QB, push him out there get him up to speed as quickly as possible.

 

[greenwichjetfan]

13 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Everyone acts like he'll somehow be better watching 3/4/5 games from the bench

That's not what everyone is acting as.

[Larz]

44 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

2018. Unfortunately brother it’s the world we live in today. 

What I don’t see in Sam is what I did see in Hack and Petty. Grossly inaccurate passes, panic in the pocket, misreads of the Defense in pre snap sets and an overall sense of being lost out there on the field. This kid will have his ups and downs especially with a suspect O-line but every play and every game will make  Darnold better. I’m convinced of this. 

I agree, if he has the offense down and the mental part of it put him in the forge crank the heat to 11

[Jetster]

3 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

That's not what everyone is acting as.

From what I've read here many more fans want him to watch from the bench for a while. Very few, I'm one of them think he should start 1st game.

[RoadFan]

Cimini thinks the Jets should wait too...

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/77014

[MDL_JET]

34 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

Cimini thinks the Jets should wait too...

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/77014

I don’t know. I think it’s stupid to wait just because they’re afraid it might be tough for him. 

If he was out there looking lost and not grasping the offense, then fine, that’s one thing. But that’s not the case and by the sound of everything, he seems to be the type that doesn’t go into a shell when things are going bad. 

 

[RoadFan]

17 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

I don’t know. I think it’s stupid to wait just because they’re afraid it might be tough for him. 

If he was out there looking lost and not grasping the offense, then fine, that’s one thing. But that’s not the case and by the sound of everything, he seems to be the type that doesn’t go into a shell when things are going bad. 

 

I agree.   He is a confident kid.

But 3 games in 10 days, essentially 6 days of prep for weeks 2 and 3... which includes fatigue, sore muscles and jet lag for the already lousy OL...followed by the best defense in the NFL Jaguars in 100 degree heat is not a normal situation.

You "start him" people aren't grasping the whole concept.  Starting him is stupid.

[Augustiniak]

16 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

I don’t know. I think it’s stupid to wait just because they’re afraid it might be tough for him. 

If he was out there looking lost and not grasping the offense, then fine, that’s one thing. But that’s not the case and by the sound of everything, he seems to be the type that doesn’t go into a shell when things are going bad. 

 

This really isn’t as complicated a decision.  His ability to avoid a sack and his situational awareness are already better than some nfl starters will ever be.  There’s no upside to sitting him if he can execute plays and isn’t making stupid mistakes.  The early schedule is irrelevant, he will learn a lot from preparing for it and they may even win a game or two.  The days of keeping your shiny new qbs in bubble wrap are over.  Unless darnold craps the bed next Saturday, he is the opening day starter, and then we’ll see how much bates schemes to protect him with rollouts, short passes, etc.  

[RoadFan]

21 hours ago, Larz said:

Is this really happening? 

We are really debating playing a player because it might be too hard or he might get hit? 

Smdh ******* embarrassing actually 

 

Again.  3 games in 10 day.

The already sh*tty OL having not practiced together due to training camp injuries, with little time to recuperate, little time to prepare, and jet lagged from travel... and then off to play the best defense in the league in 100 degree heat when they'll melt halfway through the 3rd quarter.

Sure... throw Darnold out there for no reason instead of waiting 5 or 6 weeks.

Great idea wiseass...

[Jetsplayer21]

On 8/17/2018 at 8:47 AM, j4jets said:

The game planning has been ultra conservative. We’ll see how he does in game 3. 

Todd Bowles said he wanted to be more hands on the offense this year. Todd Bowles is well known conservative coach. Especially with the offense. Nobody should be shocked. He had a big problem with Morton passing too much, and specially passing deep too much.. He told Morton more than once to dial it back. It is also known Morton really ignored Bowles request would really mad him not Morton.i think he did pretty well as OC considering what little he had to work with.

[RoadFan]

6 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

This really isn’t as complicated a decision.  His ability to avoid a sack and his situational awareness are already better than some nfl starters will ever be.  There’s no upside to sitting him if he can execute plays and isn’t making stupid mistakes.  The early schedule is irrelevant, he will learn a lot from preparing for it and they may even win a game or two.  The days of keeping your shiny new qbs in bubble wrap are over.  Unless darnold craps the bed next Saturday, he is the opening day starter, and then we’ll see how much bates schemes to protect him with rollouts, short passes, etc.  

This isn't just about Darnold.  It is about the OL players themselves too.  THEY AREN'T READY FOR THE SEASON.  Injured, not fit, haven't practiced together, and then going to ask them to play 3 games in 10 days to protect the franchise?

No.  Just no.

[Apache 51]

On 8/16/2018 at 10:00 PM, Ghost said:

We all know Sam is the future of this team. At this point, I even think he’s the best QB on the team. However, I hold my breath every single time this guy drops back. 

Our offensive line is absolutely atrocious. I think we need to start Bridgewater, let Sam learn as much as possible, and then invest heavily into offensive linemen in the off-season. On the other hand, Bridgewater is looking impressive. It’s not like we’re starting Brett Ratliff in the mean time. 

Throw Bridgewater to the wolves he's expendable, McNone is valuable at this point.

[MDL_JET]

Double post.

[MDL_JET]

23 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

I agree.   He is a confident kid.

But 3 games in 10 days, essentially 6 days of prep for weeks 2 and 3... which includes fatigue, sore muscles and jet lag for the already lousy OL...followed by the best defense in the NFL Jaguars in 100 degree heat is not a normal situation.

You "start him" people aren't grasping the whole concept.  Starting him is stupid.

What's the whole concept I'm missing? So you're just afraid of him getting hurt? Is that what this is? Or that he'll go into a shell and become gun shy?

[carlito1171]

My ONLY concern with Sam starting is the OL at this point. I think he can handle being an NFL starter from the head down right now. Sitting on the bench doesn’t really help him in that regard, a QB like him is only gonna learn by doing at this point, he needs to learn from the mistakes he would make as a year 1 starter. Not much to gain by watching Teddy or McCown he needs to go out there and learn from experience. However if the OL is gonna be this porous I wouldn’t mind sitting him through that tough 4 week stretch to start and let the OL gel a lil more with Teddy in there. But let’s see because we did have 2 starters out and I don’t remember this much complaints against ATL when we were at full strength(not saying this OL isn’t bad, but maybe not as bad as being claimed here)

[jgb]

I think it's funny that up until this year, Macc believed he cracked the code and could hit gold in the later rounds or with UDFAs at premium positions such as WR and Offensive Tackles but needed to burn huge draft capital on safeties, literally the easiest position to fill in FA.

The Macc-is-overmatched take: he horribly misread the Safety market and could've signed any number of average to above-average safeties this off season and used those high picks on other needs.

The Macc-Is-A-Secret-Genius Take: He picked Adams and Maye so his coach, who feels his mission is to Make Safeties Great Again, has enough rope to hang himself when the defense is still putrid this year, leaving Macc to handpick his next HC, and have that HC report to him rather than directly to owner.

Basically, Macc is either Hodor or Littlefinger.

[Creepy Lurker]

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

I think it's funny that up until this year, Macc believed he cracked the code and could hit gold in the later rounds or with UDFAs at premium positions such as WR and Offensive Tackles but needed to burn huge draft capital on safeties, literally the easiest position to fill in FA.

The easiest position to fill by far has been Safeties recently. Our formula should be simple going forward:

1st rd selection: goes to premium positions (QB,LT,Pass Rusher or second tier premiums like WR,CB)

2nd rd selection: With our terrible (cursed?) track record here, TRADE THIS MOFO and acquire more picks in rd. 3-5 range so we have more “chances” at hitting on some players. 

FA: target non premium positions, OL and veteran depth

That simple approach would be much better than what we have been doing in my opinion and this is NOT meant to be an in depth plan. Just a simple concept. I know there are many variables 

[RoadFan]

15 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

What's the whole concept I'm missing? So you're just afraid of him getting hurt? Is that what this is? Or that he'll go into a shell and become gun shy?

Maybe. Maybe. That's not the point.

When a company hires the hottest kid right out of school, most set the workplace up for the kid to succeed.  

Right now, the Jets setup is geared more towards failure. Failure as a whole is the point.  Sure, Darnold is capable of coming out on top anyway. But after 50 years of waiting for a QB... another 5 or 6 weeks for the OL to get their legs under them is nothing in the bigger picture.  Just wisdom.

If you can't see that, there is no point continuing this argument.

[Larz]

49 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

Again.  3 games in 10 day.

The already sh*tty OL having not practiced together due to training camp injuries, with little time to recuperate, little time to prepare, and jet lagged from travel... and then off to play the best defense in the league in 100 degree heat when they'll melt halfway through the 3rd quarter.

Sure... throw Darnold out there for no reason instead of waiting 5 or 6 weeks.

Great idea wiseass...

It's football not the western front 

My God 

What is everyone so afraid of? 

Have you read one single thing to lead you to believe that Sam is a pussy? 

If he is mentally ready and he knows the offense you play him 

 

[carlito1171]

10 minutes ago, Larz said:

It's football not the western front 

My God 

What is everyone so afraid of? 

Have you read one single thing to lead you to believe that Sam is a pussy? 

If he is mentally ready and he knows the offense you play him 

 

Yea why are we making Sammy out to be a b**** because WE are scared for him? Not every QB turns into Sanchez or David Carr. He handled pressure behind a Mediocre line at USC(had a case of the turnovers but he’s working on it now), maybe he’ll be fine here. He needs to learn by doing at this point. 

[Philc1]

10 hours ago, carlito1171 said:

Yea why are we making Sammy out to be a b**** because WE are scared for him? Not every QB turns into Sanchez or David Carr. He handled pressure behind a Mediocre line at USC(had a case of the turnovers but he’s working on it now), maybe he’ll be fine here. He needs to learn by doing at this point. 

David Carr would have stunk no matter what