New York Mick Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Unfortunately he’s not worth the money that he’ll want and this team isn’t one player away from being a contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 You guys realize Mike Maccagnan isn't the GM of this team anymore, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: Clowney will want closer to $20m (just like Leo will demand next year) and the Jets should not spend that much more on D without some type of offset - over $55m on the DL alone Trading Leo clears almost $15m and Clowney probably helps the DL more but it's a crap shot, both have disappointed compared to draft position, who knows maybe a fresh start would help? 2 reasons not to trade Leo. Contract year. He’ll be playing harder than ever....and what will he do in a Greg Williams Defense with additional weapons Q. Williams and Mosley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 We absolutely need Clowney getting him will instantly upgrade our defense same way Khalil Mack upgraded the Bears D last year and helped them make the playoffs Offer Leo and next year’s first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, sourceworx said: You guys realize Mike Maccagnan isn't the GM of this team anymore, right? So that means we might actually get an edge rusher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Trade for clowney, sign Byron Jones next offseason and draft ALL offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, MaxAF said: 2 reasons not to trade Leo. Contract year. He’ll be playing harder than ever....and what will he do in a Greg Williams Defense with additional weapons Q. Williams and Mosley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, MaxAF said: 2 reasons not to trade Leo. Contract year. He’ll be playing harder than ever....and what will he do in a Greg Williams Defense with additional weapons Q. Williams and Mosley. Then let another team pay him. To me, moving Leo now makes sense because this is likely his last year on the Jets, and the roster is too deficient this year to make the playoffs regardless of its other strengths. I don’t know whether JD agrees. I would rather see Leo converted to a resource (cap space, draft pick, player) who could help the Jets in 2020+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 21 minutes ago, MaxAF said: 2 reasons not to trade Leo. Contract year. He’ll be playing harder than ever....and what will he do in a Greg Williams Defense with additional weapons Q. Williams and Mosley. good reasons to keep him, Leo should be playing hard and smart for the first time in his NFL career, kacy is the only DC he knows Even if he has a monster year (we agree it's possible) do you trust him enough for the $100m contract (Mo was great in his contract year too) Leo is one of the reasons I did not like the pick at #3 - I think it forces the Jets hand with Leo when he may need another year with an actual NFL DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, varjet said: Then let another team pay him. To me, moving Leo now makes sense because this is likely his last year on the Jets, and the roster is too deficient this year to make the playoffs regardless of its other strengths. I don’t know whether JD agrees. I would rather see Leo converter to a resource (cap space, draft pick, player) who could help the Jets in 2020+. Not so fast, Let's see what GW can get out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, jetspenguin said: Just say NO.... 1. He has never lived up to the hype. 2. He will want a boatload of money 3. We have much bigger needs 4. We already have players with the kind of production that he brings at a cheaper price And yet he’s a way better edge rusher than anyone we had since Abe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: good reasons to keep him, Leo should be playing hard and smart for the first time in his NFL career, kacy is the only DC he knows Even if he has a monster year (we agree it's possible) do you trust him enough for the $100m contract (Mo was great in his contract year too) Leo is one of the reasons I did not like the pick at #3 - I think it forces the Jets hand with Leo when he may need another year with an actual NFL DC Mac is gone. Leo won’t be getting that $100 million bs contract from the jets There is literally no logical reason why Leo should be here still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Mac is gone. Leo won’t be getting that $100 million bs contract from the jets There is literally no logical reason why Leo should be here still That was basically my point - with proper coaching, I still think Leo has potential but after selecting QW #3 Leo should have been traded but he is still a Jet so now would rather see him play then dump him - QW + LW in a luxury (that could be fun to watch) trade for Clowney could fill a need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, jetspenguin said: Just say NO.... 1. He has never lived up to the hype. 2. He will want a boatload of money 3. We have much bigger needs 4. We already have players with the kind of production that he brings at a cheaper price I tend to agree that we have bigger needs and shouldn't trade for him but he is a damn good player who lives in the back field. Would have loved to have added him if he went to free agency. Clowney has consistently been towards the top of the league in tackles for loss over the last 3 years. He's a solid against the run and the pass. 2016: Tied 1st with 17 TFL 2017: 2nd with 21 TFL 2018: Tied 7th with 16 TFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 10 hours ago, CanadienJetsFan said: Who’s GMing over there in Houston? I think its Jeff Carson, rookie GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Clowney has never had 10 sacks in a season. Has had injury problems. Theres a reason the texans arent resigning him. Broadway Joe Douglas is waaaay to smart to fall for this. Clowney will not be a jet. And that's with playing opposite Watt his whole career. In contrast, Bradley Chubb playing in his first season opposite Von Miller had 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: We absolutely need Clowney getting him will instantly upgrade our defense same way Khalil Mack upgraded the Bears D last year and helped them make the playoffs Offer Leo and next year’s first Clowney is not Mack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, New York Mick said: Unfortunately he’s not worth the money that he’ll want and this team isn’t one player away from being a contender. If we can sign him to a long-term extension, he's exactly the kind of player to go after. He's only 26 and we need a 3-4 EDGE in the worst way, even if Polite works out. I get that he'll want more than he's worth, but he's had 18.5 sacks over the last 2 seasons, with 42 QB Hits, 37 TFL's, 3 FF, 6 FR and 2 TD's. We haven't had a pass rusher since 2005 after we traded away John Abraham. What am I missing here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 To add to my above point....now is the time to pay a heavy pricetag at premium positions. Spend, spend, spend until its time to pay Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 55 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: If we can sign him to a long-term extension, he's exactly the kind of player to go after. He's only 26 and we need a 3-4 EDGE in the worst way, even if Polite works out. I get that he'll want more than he's worth, but he's had 18.5 sacks over the last 2 seasons, with 42 QB Hits, 37 TFL's, 3 FF, 6 FR and 2 TD's. We haven't had a pass rusher since 2005 after we traded away John Abraham. What am I missing here? You’re missing the fact that Joe Douglas is here to build his own team. Not sign off injured guys whos own team does not want to sign him. Joe will find a pass rusher. But its not going to be a high priced free agent whos never cracked the 10 sack mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said: That was basically my point - with proper coaching, I still think Leo has potential but after selecting QW #3 Leo should have been traded but he is still a Jet so now would rather see him play then dump him - QW + LW in a luxury (that could be fun to watch) trade for Clowney could fill a need Unless Gregg wants to do a Bowles and move a 300lb interior DL to DB there’s no point in us NOT trading Leo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, chirorob said: Clowney is not Mack But he’s way better than any OLB we have had the past 15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 15 hours ago, Rsherman28 said: Well, it looks like Jadeveon Clowney has probably played his last game in a Texans uniform. According to Michael Lombardi, the Texans are shopping him in talks around the league. Lombardi added that the Texans trade demands for Clowney “will be reasonable” and “won’t be hard to solve.” The only issue the Texans have in the trade talks will be the kind of money Clowney is looking for in a long-term deal. The Texans applied the franchise tag to Clowney during the offseason, but he has yet to sign it, along with him skipping offseason program, training camp and the first preseason game so far. Clowney will have to sign that franchise tender in order to be traded. Teams that I think he'll land... Redskins, Colts, Jets or Eagles. I think the Skins would have the biggest advantage given that it's clear that Trent wont play for them and the Texans need Oline help at Tackle. Ive also heard that the Texans need some talent at DT, which could allow us to trade Leo. Not sure about cap space...just winging it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 35 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: You’re missing the fact that Joe Douglas is here to build his own team. Not sign off injured guys whos own team does not want to sign him. I'm sure he does, but we've also seen him aggressively go after some players on other rosters, including Alex Lewis (Baltimore castoff). Plus Houston isn't entirely in the same situation as we are. They're going to have to pay up for DeShaun Watson a year earlier than we'll have to pay Darnold. That makes a difference in who they opt to pay the big bucks to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: I'm sure he does, but we've also seen him aggressively go after some players who can help this season, including Alex Lewis (Baltimore castoff). Plus Houston isn't entirely in the same situation as we are. They're going to have to pay up for DeShaun Watson a year earlier than we'll have to pay Darnold. That makes a difference in who they opt to pay the big bucks to. Houston has a track record of letting edge fishers go they let Mario go for nothing in 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genot Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Copeland and Luvu rotating with each other produced one less sack, more tackles, more TFL, than Clowney. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 OL or CB that's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsherman28 Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 32 minutes ago, genot said: Copeland and Luvu rotating with each other produced one less sack, more tackles, more TFL, than Clowney. No thanks. Imagine rotating those 2 with Clowney/Jenkins on the other side and using Polite in different packages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 48 minutes ago, Philc1 said: But he’s way better than any OLB we have had the past 15 years He is, I am not arguing that. I wouldn't give up a 1st rounder, and then pay the player 20+ million a season. Right now they have cap room, but you can only give out a few of those contracts, and Clowney is not a guy I would give that to. Just my 2 cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Raideraholic said: Why give the Texans anything when they will probably just rescind the franchise tag at some point, and make him an unrestricted Fa. Nobody trading for Clowney ,and paying him a huge salary also. That doesn’t make sense, right? It’s not Gettleman releasing josh Norman from the panthers. Teams are literally trying to trade for Clowney right now. He has value but other teams may not want to pay the capital plus then there’s the matter of signing the player. So if that doesn’t happen I think the Texans keep him and force him to play the year out or pull a Le’Veon Bell which it’s unlikely another play does and gives up $14 mill. Make him play this year under the tag to help your team and worst case take the comp pick next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, chirorob said: He is, I am not arguing that. I wouldn't give up a 1st rounder, and then pay the player 20+ million a season. Right now they have cap room, but you can only give out a few of those contracts, and Clowney is not a guy I would give that to. Just my 2 cents Who said anything about a 1st round pick? Under the circumstances no NFL team should be ponying up a 1st for Clowney. The Texans have almost zero leverage in a trade. Any team looking to get Clowney might only be getting a rental for 1 season. The cost per season should an extension happen is another issue entirely. But like I said, paying big $$$ to a 26-year old pass rusher while your QB is in year 2 of his rookie deal is not the worst thing one can imagine happening. It would be huge for this franchise to have an EDGE that opposing offenses have to gameplan to stop for the first time in 14 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, David Harris said: to 1 hour ago, David Harris said: That doesn’t make sense, right? It’s not Gettleman releasing josh Norman from the panthers. Teams are literally trying to trade for Clowney right now. He has value but other teams may not want to pay the capital plus then there’s the matter of signing the player. So if that doesn’t happen I think the Texans keep him and force him to play the year out or pull a Le’Veon Bell which it’s unlikely another play does and gives up $14 mill. Make him play this year under the tag to help your team and worst case take the comp pick next year. How long has Clowney been on the trade block? If there was real interest by teams, I think a deal would have been done by now. The Texans don’t want to give him a long term contract tells you what? Another team going to give up draft capital , and sign him to a big contract?( how much you willing to see your team give him per year). Texans I think wish they would have let him leave in Fa. Would have received draft compensation , and freed up all that money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Why does everyone want to trade Leo so badly. I’m sure a 4th without Leo will do. Whoever takes Clowney is going to have to pay him. We still have about 13 million in cap this year to work with. Clowney would instantly add some outside pass rush to what should be a dominant front 7 I bet they get a first for clowney second plus more picks at the worst. The kid was a difference maker last season. Would not be surprised if the browns went after him to add another big name to their collection of superstars.Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, genot said: Copeland and Luvu rotating with each other produced one less sack, more tackles, more TFL, than Clowney. No thanks. Hey if you add half our roster last season together they had more sacks than Von Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, chirorob said: He is, I am not arguing that. I wouldn't give up a 1st rounder, and then pay the player 20+ million a season. Right now they have cap room, but you can only give out a few of those contracts, and Clowney is not a guy I would give that to. Just my 2 cents We got the cap room. We got the need. Our secondary is hideous and we have zero pass rush Our inability to defend the pass could cost us the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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