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One quit...  and firing the other was a mistake.

I stand behind the hire of Adam Gase.

As for this throw the ball deep stuff tomorrow people keep posting? I think they might, MIGHT, hit one to Robby against a bad Philly secondary.

But you cant throw deep balls if the pocket collapses in under 2 seconds every other play. 

Think 40 yard dash.  Robby runs a 4.3.  He needs at least 4 seconds to get down the field... and that is without having to fight a jam at the LOS.

 

 

 

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One quit...  and firing the other was a mistake.
I stand behind the hire of Adam Gase.
As for this throw the ball deep stuff tomorrow people keep posting? I think they might, MIGHT, hit one to Robby against a bad Philly secondary.
But you cant throw deep balls if the pocket collapses in under 2 seconds every other play. 
Think 40 yard dash.  Robby runs a 4.3.  He needs at least 4 seconds to get down the field... and that is without having to fight a jam at the LOS.
 
 
 

We really only have one problem on offense. It’s the OL. Every other solution is moot until they can give a few seconds of real protection or open some legit holes. I hope the two weeks away from the field helped in some way because there is nothing else to discuss unless that’s fixed.
It has to be quick dinks and dunks otherwise.


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No matter what he is here at least a minimum of two more years after this one.

He got hired on a Tuesday and took total control of the organization on a Thursday.

He essentially hired the gm.

He has the injury excuse and the macs last draft excuse for this year.

He will have cleaning up macs 5 year mess the year after that.

Hiring an 'offensive' coach in an offensive league was the right thing to do but Gases' credentials were poor when he was hired.  He utterly  failed in miami to do what he is being asked to do here.

The offensive system and play calling has looked down right dreadful through three games, as in worse than other jag ocs over the last few years.

Head coach is a major concern, after only 4 weeks of an nfl season

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6 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

No matter what he is here at least a minimum of two more years after this one.

He got hired on a Tuesday and took total control of the organization on a Thursday.

He essentially hired the gm.

He has the injury excuse and the macs last draft excuse for this year.

He will have cleaning up macs 5 year mess the year after that.

Hiring an 'offensive' coach in an offensive league was the right thing to do but Gases' credentials were poor when he was hired.  He utterly  failed in miami to do what he is being asked to do here.

The offensive system and play calling has looked down right dreadful through three games, as in worse than other jag ocs over the last few years.

Head coach is a major concern, after only 4 weeks of an nfl season

Actually he did the exact thing people are clamoring for him to do. Made teams with backups/ terrible QBs competitive

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50 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Many people saw that Bowles and mac were awful after year one or two, was it knee jerk to say that or was it better to let these guys trundle on for 2 or three more years and slag the team?

No.

2 years in is ample time to show something.

10 months is not.

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18 minutes ago, JiF said:

Early returns are bad and I have zero confidence in Adam Gase but firing him after this disaster of a season is just a bad idea.  Give Douglas and Gase an off-season together.  What’s the harm?  The Jets suck again? 

Douglas will straighten all of this out, takes time. I have no doubt.

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The Jets kept Bowles because they wanted to give him a chance and not pull the plug too soon.  He should been fired a year earlier and replaced with Reich. 

Three years was respectable.  But I think the Jets were concerned that Bowles was not given good players and a fair chance.  But the fact that Mac lasted longer is also another mystery.  

The common denominator is the Johnsons.  Their meddling and requirement to play players based on what they are paid has clearly been a drag. 

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50 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

So, Todd Bowles is respected league-wide for his coaching ability and his class, etc, and the Jets hired him, then hung the worst personnel department in league history around his neck, and Bowles never once bitched about all the trash players Mike Maccagnan dropped on his doorstep. As thanks, Chris Johnson fired league-respected Todd Bowles and kept Mike Maccagnan, who lasted five more months in the job before getting shanked by fellow league-respected coach Adam Gase. 

Todd Bowles was unemployed for thirty seconds and is currently living his best life in Tampa, where he has rejuvenated the Bucs into an aggressive, attacking defense. Todd Bowles is now, once again, a hot head coaching candidate and will get copious interviews for jobs this offseason. This happens because the Jets franchise is, in fact, *not* respected around the league and the head coaching job is widely considered to be a career-killer.

And while Todd Bowles flourishes, the Jets remain a laughingstock team with an awful roster built by an historically terrible GM who was inexplicably allowed to survive as league-respected Todd Bowles was fired, and that GM subsequently put together what can only be described as a catastrophic offseason from tip to stern. The league isn’t blaming Adam Gase for this mess. They’re blaming this mess on The Jets being The Jets.

The coaching fraternity is small and insular. They know what jobs are good and which jobs are kamikaze missions. Guess where the Jets job ranks? 

So, please, go ahead and cry about Adam Gase and, sure, let’s fire him after one season. And then let’s act bewildered when second tier head coaching candidates don’t even pick up the phone when The Jets call for an interview. Maybe  The Jets can pick up whatever bottom-of-the-barrel candidate the Redskins eventually pass on. 

Or, maybe we give Joe Douglas and Adam Gase one (1) offseason to purge the roster and start the hard work of an actual rebuild? Maybe? I don’t know—it’s just a thought that maybe it’ll take more than <checks calendar> five months and/or three games to repair a roster that was twenty games under .500 over the last three seasons. 

This premise is entirely false.  All of the hot candidates were interested in the job last year.  These jobs are hard to find and when one comes available candidates go after them.

If Bowles and Gase, as you claim, are so highly respected league-wide then why did they take the Jets job?

The Jets are bad right now because Mac loved drafting defensive tackles (which virtually everyone on this board loved when it was done) and put close to ZERO priority into the offense in an offensive league.

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57 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

So, Todd Bowles is respected league-wide for his coaching ability and his class, etc, and the Jets hired him, then hung the worst personnel department in league history around his neck, and Bowles never once bitched about all the trash players Mike Maccagnan dropped on his doorstep. As thanks, Chris Johnson fired league-respected Todd Bowles and kept Mike Maccagnan, who lasted five more months in the job before getting shanked by fellow league-respected coach Adam Gase. 

Todd Bowles was unemployed for thirty seconds and is currently living his best life in Tampa, where he has rejuvenated the Bucs into an aggressive, attacking defense. Todd Bowles is now, once again, a hot head coaching candidate and will get copious interviews for jobs this offseason. This happens because the Jets franchise is, in fact, *not* respected around the league and the head coaching job is widely considered to be a career-killer.

And while Todd Bowles flourishes, the Jets remain a laughingstock team with an awful roster built by an historically terrible GM who was inexplicably allowed to survive as league-respected Todd Bowles was fired, and that GM subsequently put together what can only be described as a catastrophic offseason from tip to stern. The league isn’t blaming Adam Gase for this mess. They’re blaming this mess on The Jets being The Jets.

The coaching fraternity is small and insular. They know what jobs are good and which jobs are kamikaze missions. Guess where the Jets job ranks? 

So, please, go ahead and cry about Adam Gase and, sure, let’s fire him after one season. And then let’s act bewildered when second tier head coaching candidates don’t even pick up the phone when The Jets call for an interview. Maybe  The Jets can pick up whatever bottom-of-the-barrel candidate the Redskins eventually pass on. 

Or, maybe we give Joe Douglas and Adam Gase one (1) offseason to purge the roster and start the hard work of an actual rebuild? Maybe? I don’t know—it’s just a thought that maybe it’ll take more than <checks calendar> five months and/or three games to repair a roster that was twenty games under .500 over the last three seasons. 

TL:DR all

 Will you stop defending Todd as a HC? No one else wants him as their HC. That’s how much he’s respected. 

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

So, Todd Bowles is respected league-wide for his coaching ability and his class, etc, and the Jets hired him, then hung the worst personnel department in league history around his neck, and Bowles never once bitched about all the trash players Mike Maccagnan dropped on his doorstep. As thanks, Chris Johnson fired league-respected Todd Bowles and kept Mike Maccagnan, who lasted five more months in the job before getting shanked by fellow league-respected coach Adam Gase. 

Todd Bowles was unemployed for thirty seconds and is currently living his best life in Tampa, where he has rejuvenated the Bucs into an aggressive, attacking defense. Todd Bowles is now, once again, a hot head coaching candidate and will get copious interviews for jobs this offseason. This happens because the Jets franchise is, in fact, *not* respected around the league and the head coaching job is widely considered to be a career-killer.

And while Todd Bowles flourishes, the Jets remain a laughingstock team with an awful roster built by an historically terrible GM who was inexplicably allowed to survive as league-respected Todd Bowles was fired, and that GM subsequently put together what can only be described as a catastrophic offseason from tip to stern. The league isn’t blaming Adam Gase for this mess. They’re blaming this mess on The Jets being The Jets.

The coaching fraternity is small and insular. They know what jobs are good and which jobs are kamikaze missions. Guess where the Jets job ranks? 

So, please, go ahead and cry about Adam Gase and, sure, let’s fire him after one season. And then let’s act bewildered when second tier head coaching candidates don’t even pick up the phone when The Jets call for an interview. Maybe  The Jets can pick up whatever bottom-of-the-barrel candidate the Redskins eventually pass on. 

Or, maybe we give Joe Douglas and Adam Gase one (1) offseason to purge the roster and start the hard work of an actual rebuild? Maybe? I don’t know—it’s just a thought that maybe it’ll take more than <checks calendar> five months and/or three games to repair a roster that was twenty games under .500 over the last three seasons. 

Gase and Douglas suck.  Enjoy the sh-tshow

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4 minutes ago, CurtMart said:

TL:DR all

 Will you stop defending Todd as a HC? No one else wants him as their HC. That’s how much he’s respected. 

And if it wasn’t for Arians Todd wouldn’t even have a defensive coordinator job in the nfl

 

I can’t wait for Manish to give him credit for Shaq Barrett tho

 

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6 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

This premise is entirely false.  All of the hot candidates were interested in the job last year.  These jobs are hard to find and when one comes available candidates go after them.

If Bowles and Gase, as you claim, are so highly respected league-wide then why did they take the Jets job?

The Jets are bad right now because Mac loved drafting defensive tackles (which virtually everyone on this board loved when it was done) and put close to ZERO priority into the offense in an offensive league.

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Mac sucked.  All of the moves Douglas has made so far (Vedvik, Thomas, Kalil) have been stinky

 

Again, I’m a broken record this is the real problem:

 

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

So, Todd Bowles is respected league-wide for his coaching ability and his class, etc, and the Jets hired him, then hung the worst personnel department in league history around his neck, and Bowles never once bitched about all the trash players Mike Maccagnan dropped on his doorstep. As thanks, Chris Johnson fired league-respected Todd Bowles and kept Mike Maccagnan, who lasted five more months in the job before getting shanked by fellow league-respected coach Adam Gase. 

Todd Bowles was unemployed for thirty seconds and is currently living his best life in Tampa, where he has rejuvenated the Bucs into an aggressive, attacking defense. Todd Bowles is now, once again, a hot head coaching candidate and will get copious interviews for jobs this offseason. This happens because the Jets franchise is, in fact, *not* respected around the league and the head coaching job is widely considered to be a career-killer.

And while Todd Bowles flourishes, the Jets remain a laughingstock team with an awful roster built by an historically terrible GM who was inexplicably allowed to survive as league-respected Todd Bowles was fired, and that GM subsequently put together what can only be described as a catastrophic offseason from tip to stern. The league isn’t blaming Adam Gase for this mess. They’re blaming this mess on The Jets being The Jets.

The coaching fraternity is small and insular. They know what jobs are good and which jobs are kamikaze missions. Guess where the Jets job ranks? 

So, please, go ahead and cry about Adam Gase and, sure, let’s fire him after one season. And then let’s act bewildered when second tier head coaching candidates don’t even pick up the phone when The Jets call for an interview. Maybe  The Jets can pick up whatever bottom-of-the-barrel candidate the Redskins eventually pass on. 

Or, maybe we give Joe Douglas and Adam Gase one (1) offseason to purge the roster and start the hard work of an actual rebuild? Maybe? I don’t know—it’s just a thought that maybe it’ll take more than <checks calendar> five months and/or three games to repair a roster that was twenty games under .500 over the last three seasons. 

Todd Bowles was a pussbag head coach the same way Adam Gase is. His defenses sucked ass here and so far Todd Gases offenses haven't even tried.

There are 32 NFL head coaching jobs in the world - the Jets are one of the worst because the owners suck, regardless of whether Todd Gase sticks around another second. Guys who are interested in NFL head coach jobs won't change their mind if the Jets get rid of a terrible one too soon rather than too late.

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

So, Todd Bowles is respected league-wide for his coaching ability and his class, etc, and the Jets hired him, then hung the worst personnel department in league history around his neck, and Bowles never once bitched about all the trash players Mike Maccagnan dropped on his doorstep. As thanks, Chris Johnson fired league-respected Todd Bowles and kept Mike Maccagnan, who lasted five more months in the job before getting shanked by fellow league-respected coach Adam Gase. 

Todd Bowles was unemployed for thirty seconds and is currently living his best life in Tampa, where he has rejuvenated the Bucs into an aggressive, attacking defense. Todd Bowles is now, once again, a hot head coaching candidate and will get copious interviews for jobs this offseason. This happens because the Jets franchise is, in fact, *not* respected around the league and the head coaching job is widely considered to be a career-killer.

And while Todd Bowles flourishes, the Jets remain a laughingstock team with an awful roster built by an historically terrible GM who was inexplicably allowed to survive as league-respected Todd Bowles was fired, and that GM subsequently put together what can only be described as a catastrophic offseason from tip to stern. The league isn’t blaming Adam Gase for this mess. They’re blaming this mess on The Jets being The Jets.

The coaching fraternity is small and insular. They know what jobs are good and which jobs are kamikaze missions. Guess where the Jets job ranks? 

So, please, go ahead and cry about Adam Gase and, sure, let’s fire him after one season. And then let’s act bewildered when second tier head coaching candidates don’t even pick up the phone when The Jets call for an interview. Maybe  The Jets can pick up whatever bottom-of-the-barrel candidate the Redskins eventually pass on. 

Or, maybe we give Joe Douglas and Adam Gase one (1) offseason to purge the roster and start the hard work of an actual rebuild? Maybe? I don’t know—it’s just a thought that maybe it’ll take more than <checks calendar> five months and/or three games to repair a roster that was twenty games under .500 over the last three seasons. 

By far your best post ever, and you've had some great ones. The Jets are the Rutgers of the NFL, the absolute worst job out there.

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2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Todd Bowles was a pussbag head coach the same way Adam Gase is. His defenses sucked ass here and so far Todd Gases offenses haven't even tried.

There are 32 NFL head coaching jobs in the world - the Jets are one of the worst because the owners suck, regardless of whether Todd Gase sticks around another second. Guys who are interested in NFL head coach jobs won't change their mind if the Jets get rid of a terrible one too soon rather than too late.

Todd Gase lol

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2 minutes ago, section314 said:

By far your best post ever, and you've had some great ones. The Jets are the Rutgers of the NFL, the absolute worst job out there.

The Johnsons are horrible owners but there is an obvious fix -  hire someone competent and stay the f-ck out of football decisions 

 

That’s what Hess did with Parcells.  Hopefully the Johnsons grow a brain and do the same with McCarthy or Harbaugh this coming offseason

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Just now, Philc1 said:

The Johnsons are horrible owners but there is an obvious fix -  hire someone competent and stay the f-ck out of football decisions 

 

That’s what Hess did with Parcells.  Hopefully the Johnsons grow a brain and do the same with McCarthy or Harbaugh this coming offseason

I don't think it's a coincidence that the franchise has gone into a complete death spiral since the Johnsons parted ways with the last remnants of the Parcells regime.

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46 minutes ago, JiF said:

Early returns are bad and I have zero confidence in Adam Gase but firing him after this disaster of a season is just a bad idea.  Give Douglas and Gase an off-season together.  What’s the harm?  The Jets suck again? 

I doubt they are firing him. This is an ownership that gave Mac like an additional three years too long to torpedo this franchise when you could probably pinpoint in five minutes he was in over his head. 

Think there is like a 20 percent chance Gase has a meltdown and goes off on Douglas or CJ and almost 80 percent chance they move on from Gregg Williams and we see stories immediately pop up in the press that they never got along and created a lot of tension blah blah blah. 

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7 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Mac sucked.  All of the moves Douglas has made so far (Vedvik, Thomas, Kalil) have been stinky

 

Again, I’m a broken record this is the real problem:

 

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I agree Woody Johnson is the problem.  

Mac was the worst GM we've ever seen (worse than Idzik by far) and yes, JD hasn't been good - not having more kickers in camp (when our kicker couldn't make a kick in pre-season) is truly mind boggling.

Ownership continues to do ridiculous things like force a DC on a HC or allow a GM to continue to draft DT's in the 1st round -

but regardless of all of that - there aren't these superstar HC's floating around that simply won't interview with the Jets because of Woody. Which was the point of my post.

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2 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

The Johnsons are horrible owners but there is an obvious fix -  hire someone competent and stay the f-ck out of football decisions 

 

That’s what Hess did with Parcells.  Hopefully the Johnsons grow a brain and do the same with McCarthy or Harbaugh this coming offseason

Why the fascination with this guy? He's has done the impossible....made Michigan an afterthought in the Big 10. His next job will be in the TV booth. Keep this loser as far away from the Jets as possible.

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