jgb Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 The “he plays on a better team” is a cop out imho. If that “argument” was determinative, no players on different teams could ever be compared. Yet that’s what gm’s are paid to do: extrapolate college or NFL production to how the player will perform in their scheme/team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackhuntr Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 We just need to stop taking 1 year starters in the 1st round ( Q , Sanchez) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, jgb said: The “he plays on a better team” is a cop out imho. If that “argument” was determinative, no players on different teams could ever be compared. Yet that’s what gm’s are paid to do: extrapolate college or NFL production to how the player will perform in their scheme/team. A bad team is a bad team. Players are obviously going to be worse on a bad team. Do you think Anderson would have only 300 yards if he played for Seattle or Bell would have the worst number of his career if he was on another team? Do you think McCaffery would be leading the league in yards from scrimmage on the Jets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, New York Mick said: A bad team is a bad team. Players are obviously going to be worse on a bad team. Do you think Anderson would have only 300 yards if he played for Seattle or Bell would have the worst number of his career if he was on another team? Do you think McCaffery would be leading the league in yards from scrimmage on the Jets? This is a straw man. Elite players will get inflated stats on a good team but that’s what the eye test is for. Bell passes it, Robby doesn’t imho. PS neither does DK, yet. NFL GMs also use other metrics like the percentage of a team’s targets and total yardage players account for to identify good players on crappy teams. I miss Jason’s articles on nyjetscap.com they did a brilliant job explaining this process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Also....alot of people liked Metcalf and wanted us to draft him...some even in the first round. This guy is not some kind of deep sleeper you found he was a well known prospect.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, jgb said: This is a straw man. Elite players will get inflated stats on a good team but that’s what the eye test is for. Bell passes it, Robby doesn’t imho. PS neither does DK, yet. NFL GMs also use other metrics like the percentage of a team’s targets and total yardage players account for to identify good players on crappy teams. I miss Jason’s articles on nyjetscap.com they did a brilliant job explaining this process. I miss Mangold, Brick, Faneca, Woody etc. If they had that oline with this current team the Jets would make the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, New York Mick said: I miss Mangold, Brick, Faneca, Woody etc. If they had that oline with this current team the Jets would make the playoffs. And if we had Bill Belichick we would have asterisks next to our multiple championships 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 17 hours ago, choon328 said: Anybody with any football sense would have never compared Mercalf to Hill. It's a moronic analogy. Its awesome being this smart after the fact! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Reason #1 the Jets suck, both Williams’ look like mediocre run clogging DT’s good teams take in the 3rd round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, HessStation said: Reason #1 the Jets suck, both Williams’ look like mediocre run clogging DT’s good teams take in the 3rd round. Man Quinnen has been a massive disappointment. Did he even play yesterday? The undrafted dude seems ahead of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 48 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Man Quinnen has been a massive disappointment. Did he even play yesterday? The undrafted dude seems ahead of him. #98 Kyle Phillips UDFA playing good football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, CanadaSteve said: Its awesome being this smart after the fact! Except me and a bunch of others were ridiculed for suggesting drafting Metcalf at 3rd overall bca generational DT had to be the pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, choon328 said: Except me and a bunch of others were ridiculed for suggesting drafting Metcalf at 3rd overall bca generational DT had to be the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 19 hours ago, choon328 said: Anybody who criticized him as a workout warrior and someone who would never be good bc of a 3 cone time should have to register as a dimbass who doesn't know football. The registration starts now. I'll wait.... He had 3 catches for 13 yards against an awful secondary while playing with a HOF QB. Yeah, he had 2 TDs but at least one of them was Atlanta forgetting to cover him and Wilson soft tossed him a wide open pass in the back of the EZ. He's averaging about 2-4 catches a game. Let's not get carried away. He looks good but he hasn't looked like the second coming of Julio. If he was on the Jets or not playing with Wilson I am not sure people would be as in love with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, JoJoTownsell1 said: He had 3 catches for 13 yards against an awful secondary while playing with a HOF QB. Yeah, he had 2 TDs but at least one of them was Atlanta forgetting to cover him and Wilson soft tossed him a wide open pass in the back of the EZ. He's averaging about 2-4 catches a game. Let's not get carried away. He looks good but he hasn't looked like the second coming of Julio. If he was on the Jets or not playing with Wilson I am not sure people would be as in love with him. He looks better than any of our WR's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: He looks better than any of our WR's. Being better than an UDFA, decent slot WR and a washed up vet isn't exactly a big deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Being better than an UDFA, decent slot WR and a washed up vet isn't exactly a big deal. He's better regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 20 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said: I literally said back in April, "**** it, take him at 3". And I stand by it. Quinnen is a heartless ghost. I don't remember anyone else but you and @joewilly12 saying it by April. A few guys liked him very early in the process, but come April, you two were the only one still asking for him. In fact, you guys were taking crap for it. Good job by you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Metcalf at 3 would have been mornic even with his utterly unimpressive start to his career. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: I don't remember anyone else but you and @joewilly12 saying it by April. A few guys liked him very early in the process, but come April, you two were the only one still asking for him. In fact, you guys were taking crap for it. Good job by you. I think i literally started a thread call DK at 3... not saying i was all about it, but it was a discussion worth having Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, JiF said: Metcalf at 3 would have been mornic even with his utterly unimpressive start to his career. More realistic scenario would have been trading Leo and a mid round pick for a 2nd then drafting Metcalf But Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Paradis said: I think i literally started a thread call DK at 3 And the Seahawks started a thread called DK at 64 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Philc1 said: And the Seahawks started a thread called DK at 64 the day you have a clue, is the day Margo Robbie shows up in a 2 piece at my front door. #CantWait 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Paradis said: the day you have a clue, is the day Margo Robbie shows up in a 2 piece at my front door. #CantWait It’s spelled Margot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Philc1 said: It’s spelled Margot I'll let her correct me when i see her. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, Philc1 said: More realistic scenario would have been trading Leo and a mid round pick for a 2nd then drafting Metcalf But Mac Or just take Darius Slayton in the 5th since they’re the same player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 20 hours ago, Obrien2Toon said: The 3 cone line seems like it came from tomshane Well, what color were the cones? Like little orange cones or were they fluorescent yellow, something else? This matters to wide receivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, 14 in Green said: I don't remember anyone else but you and @joewilly12 saying it by April. A few guys liked him very early in the process, but come April, you two were the only one still asking for him. In fact, you guys were taking crap for it. Good job by you. Now I'm questioning my judgment.....lol. J/K JW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 the day you have a clue, is the day Margo Robbie shows up in a 2 piece at my front door. #CantWaitPics or GTFO!Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 10:43 AM, JiF said: Or just take Darius Slayton in the 5th since they’re the same player. Or we could have had Isabella in round 2 if Mac had just down the smart obvious thing an traded Leo last April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Lmao the dude runs like 3 routes. Acting like he has been lighting the league up because hr has scored some tds. Russell wilson is the reason for that.I wish RA ran that many...Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 10:14 AM, choon328 said: Except me and a bunch of others were ridiculed for suggesting drafting Metcalf at 3rd overall bca generational DT had to be the pick. He would of been a good second or third round pick not 3rd overall. He’s a one dimensional player. Basically he’s a worse offensive version of DE Josh Allen. Does one thing well, flashes big plays then disappears during the game. Metcalf as I said before is Anderson with muscles on a better team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Just now, New York Mick said: He would of been a good second or third round pick not 3rd overall. He’s a one dimensional player. Basically he’s a worse offensive version of DE Josh Allen. Does one thing well, flashes big plays then disappears during the game. Metcalf as I said before is Anderson with muscles on a better team. Metcalf is what Stephen Hill was supposed to be I think the rap on him only running 2 routes is a little overblown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Philc1 said: Metcalf is what Stephen Hill was supposed to be I think the rap on him only running 2 routes is a little overblown I had such high hopes for Hill. I thought he was going to be the Jet’s Stanley Morgan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Just now, New York Mick said: I had such high hopes for Hill. I thought he was going to be the Jet’s Stanley Morgan. You know things are bad when Rex calls you a bust immediately after Tanny drafts you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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