Problem is still and always will be the Johnsons

[Bugg]

 

Pretty much since they day they took over, these 2 losers get in the room with the Next Big Time Coordinator. Said coordinator blows sunshine up their asses about toughness and their vision of Jets football as TOUGH. 

They hire GMs separately. We can hope Douglas is different. But mostly appears they have some convoluted ideal about "the best player available" as an ongoing draft philosophy. Which is how in 20167 the jets tooks 2 safeties while not having an offense. I cannot emphasize enough that when Maccagnan proposed this how, with Mahomes and Watson still available, taking Adams was arguably the single worst decision in a Jets draft history filled with such bad decisions . THERE HAS RARELY BEEN ANY SENSE OF POSITIONAL VALUE. 

This is idiocy. 

There appears to have been no discussions at all about how the NFL has become a scoring league. The rules as enforced by design mean defenses fail several times each game, no matter your personnel or your scheme. The only way out is to draft a serious offense-a great QB, a good OL, and great skill guys. because you HAVE TO SCORE POINTS. Being in a division with the Pats and Tom Brady for 2 decades as somehow still left these morons with the impression that they can win NFL games in 2020 13-10 every week.

As to defense, ideally you have a pass rush, and some corners who can cover. But you know going in even if you don't say it, the rest of your defense is going to come down to keeping opposing offenses honest and QB worried about getting sacked.

You also scheme and draft grasping these truths.

For example, your offense gets upfield by passing. Teams KNOW you are scoring 3-4 TDs every week like ringing a bell. You run to keep the defense guessing, to get a yard or 2, or to run clock late in the game if you're ahead. you don't spend tons of money on backs.If any future coach brings up "manageable" 3rd downs, they are asked to leave. 

I don't pretend to know if Darnold is damaged goods. But that decision needs to be made before the draft. 

As to coach, either you go with the big time proven coach looking for a massive payday. You need to call Bill Cowher and Urban Meyer. I suspect both will say no, mostly because they KNOW THE JOHNSONS ARE PATHETIC LOSERS. Suspect that comes down to Sean Payton or one of the Harbaughs., or if Doug Pederson shakes loose.  Because the Johnsons are cheap asS dumpster divers, they will not do this.In part because that means either Joe Douglas becomes a lesser entity, but really because they don't want to pay 2 GMs and possibly 2 coaches.

They will instead AGAIN go the to big coordinator. Suspect many of these guys may one day be very good NFL coaches(Bienemy and Roman look very good). But that has not worked here going on 3 decades. It hasn't worked in part because in very case the former coordinator viewed himself as coach of only half the team. Only exception really was Mangini, and that blew up because he was a bit too overbearing in dealing with players. Again-the coordinator route is almost certainly doomed to fail again. 

That means college coaches. There are such coaches who will one day be great NFL coaches. Jeff Monken of Army and Bob Chesney of Holy Cross are 2 guys that in a sane process merit consideration. But doubt either is in the Jets radar because they have no concept of being ahead of any curve. If by some miracle the Jets did hire such a guy, as with Rhule, they'd try to micromanage things into oblivion. 

 We have the most braindead ownership in the NFL, 2 lucky sperm club guys who have no idea what they're doing nor even what industry they are in. There is no indication they will now, today, suddenly realize, they don't know what they are doing. 

Simply this franchise is doomed until the Johnsons sell. There is no other way out. All the Hymie Elhais in the world won't change that. DOOMED!!!

[Philc1]

Agree 100%.  The Johnsons are as horrifically inept as Al Davis his last 10 years

[Spoot-Face]

[CanadienJetsFan]

Here, here!

[sciond]

Bellicheat knew....

[jgb]

9 hours ago, Bugg said:

 

Pretty much since they day they took over, these 2 losers get in the room with the Next Big Time Coordinator. Said coordinator blows sunshine up their asses about toughness and their vision of Jets football as TOUGH. 

They hire GMs separately. We can hope Douglas is different. But mostly appears they have some convoluted ideal about "the best player available" as an ongoing draft philosophy. Which is how in 20167 the jets tooks 2 safeties while not having an offense. I cannot emphasize enough that when Maccagnan proposed this how, with Mahomes and Watson still available, taking Adams was arguably the single worst decision in a Jets draft history filled with such bad decisions . THERE HAS RARELY BEEN ANY SENSE OF POSITIONAL VALUE. 

This is idiocy. 

There appears to have been no discussions at all about how the NFL has become a scoring league. The rules as enforced by design mean defenses fail several times each game, no matter your personnel or your scheme. The only way out is to draft a serious offense-a great QB, a good OL, and great skill guys. because you HAVE TO SCORE POINTS. Being in a division with the Pats and Tom Brady for 2 decades as somehow still left these morons with the impression that they can win NFL games in 2020 13-10 every week.

As to defense, ideally you have a pass rush, and some corners who can cover. But you know going in even if you don't say it, the rest of your defense is going to come down to keeping opposing offenses honest and QB worried about getting sacked.

You also scheme and draft grasping these truths.

For example, your offense gets upfield by passing. Teams KNOW you are scoring 3-4 TDs every week like ringing a bell. You run to keep the defense guessing, to get a yard or 2, or to run clock late in the game if you're ahead. you don't spend tons of money on backs.If any future coach brings up "manageable" 3rd downs, they are asked to leave. 

I don't pretend to know if Darnold is damaged goods. But that decision needs to be made before the draft. 

As to coach, either you go with the big time proven coach looking for a massive payday. You need to call Bill Cowher and Urban Meyer. I suspect both will say no, mostly because they KNOW THE JOHNSONS ARE PATHETIC LOSERS. Suspect that comes down to Sean Payton or one of the Harbaughs., or if Doug Pederson shakes loose.  Because the Johnsons are cheap asS dumpster divers, they will not do this.In part because that means either Joe Douglas becomes a lesser entity, but really because they don't want to pay 2 GMs and possibly 2 coaches.

They will instead AGAIN go the to big coordinator. Suspect many of these guys may one day be very good NFL coaches(Bienemy and Roman look very good). But that has not worked here going on 3 decades. It hasn't worked in part because in very case the former coordinator viewed himself as coach of only half the team. Only exception really was Mangini, and that blew up because he was a bit too overbearing in dealing with players. Again-the coordinator route is almost certainly doomed to fail again. 

That means college coaches. There are such coaches who will one day be great NFL coaches. Jeff Monken of Army and Bob Chesney of Holy Cross are 2 guys that in a sane process merit consideration. But doubt either is in the Jets radar because they have no concept of being ahead of any curve. If by some miracle the Jets did hire such a guy, as with Rhule, they'd try to micromanage things into oblivion. 

 We have the most braindead ownership in the NFL, 2 lucky sperm club guys who have no idea what they're doing nor even what industry they are in. There is no indication they will now, today, suddenly realize, they don't know what they are doing. 

Simply this franchise is doomed until the Johnsons sell. There is no other way out. All the Hymie Elhais in the world won't change that. DOOMED!!!

Now that is how you rant. Take notes, young fellas.

11 minutes ago, sciond said:

Bellicheat knew....

He was in a room with Woody for seven seconds and thought “oh fugg no.”

[johnnysd]

They live in an elitist corporate world. While a football team certainly exists in that world as a for profit company, the actual football management does not fit into a corporate environment. In the corporate world image, appearance, being well spoken, being political and manipulative (what one boss called "polish") are all in many ways more important than actual competence. Managing a football team is an autocratic meritocracy. The Johnsons do not get that. They hire football people using corporate criteria, so the choose the HC and GM and football football on how well they interview and the "polish" they have rather than just how good they are at football. Gase when he is talking football sounds brilliant, but he can't coach at all, it's all theory and blather and no actual results.  Unfortunately even when Gase is gone they will continue this process.

[varjet]

We need Trevor Lawrence to stand up for himself and his future.

The NFL would love for Trevor to be a Jet.  Trevor should start making noise that he refuses to play for them.  

[HessStation]

7 hours ago, sciond said:

Bellicheat knew....

I used to hate him for it but now i understand

[Scott Dierking]

11 minutes ago, varjet said:

We need Trevor Lawrence to stand up for himself and his future.

The NFL would love for Trevor to be a Jet.  Trevor should start making noise that he refuses to play for them.  

Daniel Snyder has been allowed to own his team through allegations of blatant sexual harassment and refusing for years to change a racist team name. The NFL allows Snyder to continue to be an owner.

The Davis family continually sues the NFL (and wins) and thumbs their nose at all commissioners. They are allowed to continue to own the team.

Jerry Jones goes outside the NFL doctrine in "sharing the revenue" and strikes his own deals and is allowed to continue to own a team.

You believe that managerial ineptitude will force the league to make the Johnson's sell? Hardly.

[bitonti]

The Jets are the 6th most valuable franchise despite having the worst actual roster


This is bigger than the owners. It's a league that allows incompetence without consequence. The jets could not win another game for the rest of the worlds history and the owners get paid for the effort

Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app

[HessStation]

Instead of the Michigan Governor the Johnsons should be the next target. Who wants to form a militia with me and take care of it ourselves? Nobody will ever know unless one of you guys is an informant. 

[jgb]

16 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The Jets are the 6th most valuable franchise despite having the worst actual roster


This is bigger than the owners. It's a league that allows incompetence without consequence. The jets could not win another game for the rest of the worlds history and the owners get paid for the effort

Sent from my Pixel 2 using JetNation.com mobile app
 

Each team got $280M last year from league revenue share. That money comes rain or shine, win or lose. If Jets hire a dunce to be HC for $3M, they make more profit than the Pats who pay Belly $10M. That's Johnsons' thought process.

[The Crusher]

40 minutes ago, varjet said:

We need Trevor Lawrence to stand up for himself and his future.

The NFL would love for Trevor to be a Jet.  Trevor should start making noise that he refuses to play for them.  

“ Never says Trevor “ billboards littering the streets of NY, NJ and London. 

[bitonti]

17 minutes ago, jgb said:

Each team got $280M last year from league revenue share. That money comes rain or shine, win or lose. If Jets hire a dunce to be HC for $3M, they make more profit than the Pats who pay Belly $10M. That's Johnsons' thought process.

The Johnsons have no experience in football and no acumen for the game

they originally bought the team as some kind of real estate play with West side Manhattan

they don't know how run a good football team, even if they wanted to  

they do know how to stay rich however 

[Jet Nut]

46 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Daniel Snyder has been allowed to own his team through allegations of blatant sexual harassment and refusing for years to change a racist team name. The NFL allows Snyder to continue to be an owner.

The Davis family continually sues the NFL (and wins) and thumbs their nose at all commissioners. They are allowed to continue to own the team.

Jerry Jones goes outside the NFL doctrine in "sharing the revenue" and strikes his own deals and is allowed to continue to own a team.

You believe that managerial ineptitude will force the league to make the Johnson's sell? Hardly.

You left out Kraft running an organization cheating the rest of its members and then embarrassing everyone getting a tugger.

[Jet Nut]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The Johnsons have no experience in football and no acumen for the game

Quick, name all the owners who have experience in football 

[Scott Dierking]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

Quick, name all the owners who have experience in football 

I guess Jerry Jones did, because he played at Arkansas. 

Hey, as a fan, you can't pick your owners.You only have to manage to co-exist with them.

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, bitonti said:

The Johnsons have no experience in football and no acumen for the game

they originally bought the team as some kind of real estate play with West side Manhattan

they don't know how run a good football team, even if they wanted to  

they do know how to stay rich however 

Wish there was some incentive to win. 20% of the league revenues reserved for playoffs teams, for example, with the rest distributed evenly. 

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Quick, name all the owners who have experience in football 

davis, jerry, hunts, browns, maras... if i thought more than 2 minutes could probably come up with more

[bitonti]

Just now, jgb said:

Wish there was some incentive to win. 20% of the league revenues reserved for playoffs teams, for example, with the rest distributed evenly. 

we should be thankful 

if the league had relegation we'd be like the people who root for Stoke City or Watford

they'd just fall out of the top league and never return 

"remember that one year, 10 years ago, we were in the NFL?!" 

[Jet Nut]

Just now, Scott Dierking said:

I guess Jerry Jones did, because he played at Arkansas. 

Hey, as a fan, you can't pick your owners.You only have to manage to co-exist with them.

And look at how shltty an owner is after he forced JJohnson out.  He came into the league, hired JJ who built that team into a SB winner, then dumped him.  After that talent faded the Cowboys have fewer playoff wins than our dopey owner has put up over the same time period.

So much for that theory 

[Bugg]

1 minute ago, bitonti said:

The Johnsons have no experience in football and no acumen for the game

they originally bought the team as some kind of real estate play with West side Manhattan

they don't know how run a good football team, even if they wanted to  

they do know how to stay rich however 

$280 million less debt service and depreciation over 27.5 years on half the stadium almost certainly means 1. the Johnsons get the prestige of owning an NFL team  2. get cash from said $280 million and 3. at the same time getting paper losses to offset that. The Jets are a perfect cash cow and tax dodge; totally legal. But it has nothing to do with running a successful football team.

The further you get from the day Bellichick "resigned" becomes clearer he saw the writing on the wall. And why Parcells ran out the door at 85 MPH. Remember; Parcells is still a New Jersey guy looking to stick it to the Giants forever. The Johnsons could have given him the keys and drifted into the background. Even throw him some equity in the franchise so he had a stake; they balked at that. The Johnsons were not going to let serious football people run this franchise. Joe Douglas appears to be a very sharp guy, which is why he will soon be gone.  

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

davis, jerry, hunts, browns, maras... if i thought more than 2 minutes could probably come up with more

Really, they came into ownership with experience in football.  

 

[jgb]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

Really, they came into ownership with experience in football.  

 

Well before football was invented, I guess no one had experience in football 

[Bugg]

5 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Quick, name all the owners who have experience in football 

Arguably, the Rooneys, the Maras, the Hunts, the Mccaskeys. Steelers, Giants, Chiefs and Bears, what ever missteps,  are all arguably better run than the Jets. And it isn't close. 

[SAR I]

If you don't like the owners find another team.

Players, GM's, and coaches come and go.  Owners don't.  Stop crying and do something.  Find another team.  There are 32 of them you know.

SAR I

[Jet Nut]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

Well before football was invented, I guess no one had experience in football 

There arent too many from before the game was invented 100 years ago.  So I would think we were talking all the owners with football experience who came on after its invention.   

So the answer is Jerry Jones, who has been a fool this century.  We all know that ownership requires deep pockets and that doesnt go hand in hand with football people buying teams its a filthy rich club

 

[Bugg]

1 hour ago, varjet said:

We need Trevor Lawrence to stand up for himself and his future.

The NFL would love for Trevor to be a Jet.  Trevor should start making noise that he refuses to play for them.  

Think the idea any pro sports league cares about where elite players end up is no longer true. The country has be homogenized. If Kevin Durant can become a marketing iocn in OKC or Peyton Manning in Indiana, it doesn't really matter. Sports is now about television, not live in person. In short, the NFL will market the living sheet out of Lawrence where ever he ends up. And remember arguably Sam Darnold was That Guy not log ago.

And having said all that if the Jets got a real coach who cut bait on Darnold and luckily picked Lawrence, great. I simply don't see that as reality under the Johnsons. 

[Jet Nut]

6 minutes ago, Bugg said:

Arguably, the Rooneys, the Maras, the Hunts, the Mccaskeys. Steelers, Giants, Chiefs and Bears, what ever missteps,  are all arguably better run than the Jets. And it isn't close. 

Better run isnt an owner who bought a team with football experience.  

Its all perspective.  The Hunts?  They went from a SB one year after the Jets SB until this team with fewer playoff appearances and wins that the Jets.  The Bears?  Fewer.  

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

There arent too many from before the game was invented 100 years ago.  So I would think we were talking all the owners with football experience who came on after its invention.   

So the answer is Jerry Jones, who has been a fool this century.  We all know that ownership requires deep pockets and that doesnt go hand in hand with football people buying teams its a filthy rich club

 

I wish our owners were as foolish at Jerry Jones

[BettyBoop]

The Johnsons are not selling the team.  It is their raison d'etre, their reason for living.  The one and only hope is that somehow the Johnsons finally understand that their meddling is hurting the team.  Perhaps the only way for that to happen is for Goodell to step in and whisper something in their ear(s).

Something like, 'look you morons, if you don't stop meddling I will rule against you in every dispute from now until the end of time.  And believe me there will be disputes'.  

[jgb]

Just now, Jet Nut said:

Better run isnt an owner who bought a team with football experience.  

Its all perspective.  The Hunts?  They went from a SB one year after the Jets SB until this team with fewer playoff appearances and wins that the Jets.  The Bears?  Fewer.  

The real problem isn't lack of football experience... it's that the Johnsons had no relevant experience whatsoever in building, maintaining, organizing a professional enterprise. The only thing they managed before buying the Jets was maid staff.

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, jgb said:

I wish our owners were as foolish at Jerry Jones

As I said he hired JJ and won.  But since the football genius of an owner crowned himself GM? 

Yeah, I wish we had those rings but what was that the 90s?

[bitonti]

19 minutes ago, jgb said:

davis, jerry, hunts, browns, maras... if i thought more than 2 minutes could probably come up with more

Mike Brown (bengals) started QB at Dartmouth

Bob Kraft (pats) played RB/S at Columbia (freshman team/JV) 

Jim Irsay (colts) walked on to SMU as a linebacker and broke his ankle 

Clark hunt (chiefs) played Soccer for SMU a different kind of football but div1 still 

Dean Spanos (chargers) lettered in HS, as did Steve Bisciotti (ravens) 

The Green Bay Packers are run by Mark Murphy a former NFL safety (1x All Pro, Washington R-skins) 

Jerry Richardson (Carolina, RIP) was the only league owner to also play in the league. Tepper the replacement hedge fund guy did play football in high school  

 

It should also be noted at least 6 franchises are owned by women. Virginia Halas CHI, Amy Adams Strunk TEN, Gayle Benson NO, Janice McNair HOU, Sheila Ford Hamp DET, Jody Allen SEA 

virginia halas is 97 i feel like she's forgotten more about football than the Johnsons ever knew