Jets get a call from commissioners office for poor ticket sales

[Bugg]

21 hours ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

As someone who had season tickets from 1981 until this season, I can tell you the biggest reason for the attendance issues is the stadium and not the team.  The Jets had the second largest waiting list in the NFL when they played in Giants Stadium from 84-2009j even though they had a horrendous period from 87-96.  The new stadium is not built for watching football. It is built purely to maximize revenue through club seats and double the normal amount of luxury boxes, lounges with leather chairs and TVs and carving meats.  Every seat in Giants Stadium was good for watching the game. Most of the seats in MetLife are too far from the field and the upper deck of Met Life is so high that it is just not worth going to games there. That's about 1/3 or more of seats in MetLife providing unwatchable views of the game.  That is why the stadium is empty and lifeless.  The place just stinks for watching the game.  I never missed a play I went to the games in Giants Stadium and when the Jets were good and the games competitive, the place was electric.  MetLife is built for non-fans and the atmosphere for every game, even the good ones back in 2010, is dull.  

In Giants Stadium, the people in my section were the same for every game and we all knew each other well. In MetLife, the people around me were different every game and I knew nobody.  In Giants Stadium, the crowd was loud, but nobody - and I mean nobody stood up during the game. In MetLife, the crowd is quiet, but fans insist on standing for plays and on third downs - even though the team can't tell if the fans sit or stand. It is unpleasant.    

 

Then you have the recent development of Stub Hub and most NFL Stadiums are  filled 1/3 or more with fans of the opposing teams.  That takes away from the fun and excitement.  In Shea, I would say about 1-2% of the crowd was rooting for the visitors.  Giants Stadium had about 5-10% tops (mostly in visitor sections in the upper corner).  Now they are everywhere.  

 

Throw in the awful parking situation and the traffic and the game experience has become terrible in MetLife.  That is the main reason why the place is not selling.  The stadium stinks.

Roughly the same situation.

Gave up our tickets around 2 years in to the new stadium, walking awy from the PSL. To be fair, kids in sports and other family considerations played a role. Have since had more than my fill of live high school and D2 football. But meant I had no desire to go to another game in a  given fall weekend. 

The stadium is designed to cater to the luxury box crowd. But the last few games I attended, looked like many boxes were empty. Math-wise, getting another 20K plebe customers is going to generate a pile of revenue, and looks like the Jets and GiaNts never understood that. The concourses, entrances and exists are very poorly designed for everyone else. There are too few mens rooms. Unlike new Yankee and new Shea or The Rock or Barclays or new MSG, the place has no crowd flow. Feels like nobody considered the bottlenecks built into the design, because f___ the little people. Takes forever to get anywhere. unlike Giants, you cannot walk around. That's really stupid. 

Asthetically it's an ugly place. When you are in your seat, does have some good sight lines closer to the field. Catch yourself watching the jumbotron rather than the field; even seen ball carriers in the midst of a long run do that. But in the upper deck, you are miles from the field. Would note I've been to some concerts there where they didn't bother to sell those tickets. When we were purchasing tickets , quickly decided the upper deck was totally pointless. That has not changed. 

Some of the issues-traveling visting fans, for example-are a NFL-wide thing. Problem is once the idea became bleeding fans white, don't be shocked when the fans decide to make a few bucks on their own by selling tickets. Friend who is Vegas resident figured out immediately that getting a mess of Raiders tickets and selling most of them to visistors was a potential gold mine. 

One thing that's less obvious but has become clearer; driving around NY/NJ is a complete pain in the ass. It gets worse every day. And if you are driving from NY, worse than that. Driving to and from is an ordeal. The PATH train form Penn is okay going, but akin to "Shindler's List" outtakes on the way home. I always thought the WSS was a pipe dream and a bad idea. But in retrospect, a center city location with a crowd conditioned to take the subway, PATH and LIRR  probably would have made a lot more sense. Would have lost tailgating, but you would have had a slew of midtown bars and restaurants take up the slack, no problem. The WSS failure was a huge missed opportunity. And failing in that, gettings something done near new Shea (easy access by subway or LIRR)could have worked too, and that would have added a tailgate element. All things considered another example of ownership that has been totally clueless forever. 

[GREENBEAN]

54,000 enough said, the Jets used to be top 3 even with sh*t teams. I think the fans have finally had enough.

It’s the parking price. I had to pay $110 for that f*ckin parking pass opening day. WTF is that????


Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

[SAR I]

15 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

If $4,000 you spent 13 years ago is something you miss, you've got no business thinking about tickets let alone commenting on them.  That's $25 a month.  You probably spend $100 a month on your dog, if you smoke a pack-a-day, that's $400 a month.

SAR I

[SAR I]

15 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

How many more times do you have to say that before you actually believe it?

How many more times do you have to read that before you actually believe it?

In the last 13 years, I've spent $195,000 sending my kids to summer camp.  Do you really think $4,000 for a 30 year PSL matters?

SAR I

[SAR I]

14 hours ago, TokyoJetsFan said:

The Jets don’t even have to win at this point for me. All I want is more than 3 and out on offense for the last decade+

"MAKE SOME NOISE!"

....says the PA announcer for the 30th time in 3 hours because the opposing offense has such a huge lead in time of possession that we're constantly facing 3rd downs.

It's the single most annoying facet of in-person Jets fandom.  They get no first downs, they score no points, and on every routine 3rd and 4 they bark orders at us at full volume.

SAR I

[SAR I]

4 hours ago, SoFlaJets said:

This is a team that has had only one winning season over the past decade-ONE!

It's our 3rd or 4th rebuild in the last 6 or 8 years.  Fans can buy into, maybe, 2 seasons of awful football where at the minimum you're seeing young players develop.  But we've been asked to do that with  Idzik/Geno, Maccagnan/Fitzpatrick, Maccagnan/Darnold, and Douglas/Wilson.  Just can't do this anymore. 

I hate college football yet I'm spending $5,000 a year to watch college kids suck.

Enough.

SAR I

[SAR I]

2 hours ago, BeaconJet said:

Sort by percentage of total capacity sold, and the Jets are bottom 5 at 88%. 73K in a 82.5K stadium.  Giants are not much better at 74K / 90%.  Might have built the stadium a little too big?

 

The size of the building doesn't matter.  It was built for a huge city and can accommodate overflow.  The fact that the Jets have consistently been Top 3 in the NFL and #1 in the AFC since MetLife was built is what counts.

But Jets fans, no matter how loyal, have their tipping points.  I cannot invest myself in Sanchez (mishandled), Smith (never should have been drafted), Fitzpatrick (never should have been extended), Petty (never should have been drafted), Darnold (bust), and Wilson (doubts).  

Sitting in a stadium knowing you're going to lose and watching players that you know aren't good and watching your stars trying to get out of town is just awful.  All the Jets have been selling us is hope, and it's hopeless.

SAR I

[sirlancemehlot]

22 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Imagine owning a PSL. lol

I was actually halfway through paying mine off when I had a revelation: "I'm giving my money to the New York Jets.  And getting literally nothing in return."  Cut my losses.  Still able to go to games for less than face value.  Now where's CTM to tell me what a fool I am?

[Dcat]

23 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

Maybe if there wasn’t a trash product on field every year ticket sales would be better

This!

[Warfish]

3 hours ago, SAR I said:

How many more times do you have to read that before you actually believe it?

In the last 13 years, I've spent $195,000 sending my kids to summer camp.  Do you really think $4,000 for a 30 year PSL matters?

SAR I

Oh look, SAR is bragging about his money again.  How new and unexpected.....

[Flea Flicking Frank]

3 hours ago, SAR I said:

If $4,000 you spent 13 years ago is something you miss, you've got no business thinking about tickets let alone commenting on them.  That's $25 a month.  You probably spend $100 a month on your dog, if you smoke a pack-a-day, that's $400 a month.

SAR I

Next time you feeling throwing away $4,000, let me know, Ill take it and donate it to a valid cause.

[K Clue]

Does this mean there’s a chance that the league will step in and make the Johnson's sell the team?

 

 

[FloridaJetsFan]

He’s the f’cking commissioner. He should pass a rule that a team can only have a Top 5 quarterback for 3 years before he is mandatorily transferred to a needy team.
There aren’t enough great quarterbacks to go around and thus the league is unfair. He can solve that himself.
SAR I

I don’t know I’d take your advice about football matters …



Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

[T0mShane]

5 hours ago, Bugg said:

Roughly the same situation.

Gave up our tickets around 2 years in to the new stadium, walking awy from the PSL. To be fair, kids in sports and other family considerations played a role. Have since had more than my fill of live high school and D2 football. But meant I had no desire to go to another game in a  given fall weekend. 

The stadium is designed to cater to the luxury box crowd. But the last few games I attended, looked like many boxes were empty. Math-wise, getting another 20K plebe customers is going to generate a pile of revenue, and looks like the Jets and Giats never understood that. The concourses, entrances and exists are very poorly designed for everyone else. There are too few mens rooms. Unlike new Yankee and new Shea or The Rock or Barclays or new MSG, the place has no crowd flow. Feels like nobody considered the bottlenecks built into the design, because f___ the little people. Takes forever to get anywhere. unlike Giants, you cannot walk around. That's really stupid. 

Asthetically it's an ugly place. When you are in your seat, does have some good sight lines closer to the field. Catch yourself watching the jumbotron rather than the field; even seen ball carriers in the midst of a long run do that. But in the upper deck, you are miles from the field. Would note I've been to some concerts there where they didn't bother to sell those tickets. When we were purchasing tickets , quickly decided the upper deck was totally pointless. That has not changed. 

Some of the issues-traveling visting fans, for example-are a NFL-wide thing. Problem is once the idea became bleeding fans white, don't be shocked when the fans decide to make a few bucks on their own by selling tickets. Friend who is Vegas resident figured out immediately that getting a mess of Raiders tickets and selling most of them to visistors was a potential gold mine. 

One thing that's less obvious but has become clearer; driving around NY/NJ is a complete pain in the ass. It gets worse every day. And if you are driving from NY, worse than that. Driving to and from is an ordeal. The PATH train form Penn is okay going, but akin to "Shindler's List" outtakes on the way home. I always thought the WSS was a pipe dream and a bad idea. But in retrospect, a center city location with a crowd conditioned to take the subway, PATH and LIRR  probably would have made a lot more sense. Would have lost tailgating, but you would have had a slew of midtown bars and restaurants take up the slack, no problem. The WSS failure was a huge missed opportunity. And failing in that, gettings something done near new Shea (easy access by subway or LIRR)could have worked too, and that would have added a tailgate element. All things considered another example of ownership that has been totally clueless forever. 

Every so often a girlfriend will get me Jets tickets as a “gift” and I always treat it as my constitutional duty to take them to MetLife so they realize why Jets fandom is really just about internal struggle and misery. 

[JETSY14]

Not to mention that the Jets flood the secondary market with unsold tickets which in return drives the ticket price down.  This is another reason not to buy season tickets.  If you attend every game you will pay a little above face on maybe 2 of the games.  The rest of the games are well below face. Not to mention you don't have to buy preseason game which are worthless.

[Bugg]

1 hour ago, sirlancemehlot said:

I was actually halfway through paying mine off when I had a revelation: "I'm giving my money to the New York Jets.  And getting literally nothing in return."  Cut my losses.  Still able to go to games for less than face value.  Now where's CTM to tell me what a fool I am?

My son is done with his playing D2 football fun. So for the first time in years, his fall weekends are free. His girlfriend, a very nice young lady,  got him tickets for the Bills. He's deeply in love, and...mildy annoyed she thought that was a good idea, rather than spending the afternoon on the couch watching Red Zone. Looking on line tickets to that game are ridiculously below face value. Expect a sheetload of  Bills Mafia types to make the trip down the Thruway. 

[SAR I]

4 hours ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

Next time you feeling throwing away $4,000, let me know, Ill take it and donate it to a valid cause.

$4,000 over 30 years is $133 per year or $11 per month.  That's lunch money.  That's literally a #1 with a 6pc McNugget at McDonalds.

The things you people worry about are truly silly.

SAR I

[SAR I]

4 hours ago, FloridaJetsFan said:

I don’t know I’d take your advice about football matters …

The Jets Illuminati is getting a bit antsy over being so wrong about Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh, I see.  Just you wait until October 31 when the Jets fall to 1-6 and the MetLife Stadium Insurrection begins.  Then maybe you'll understand how wrong you've been for the last decade.

SAR I

[SAR I]

4 hours ago, JETSY14 said:

Not to mention that the Jets flood the secondary market with unsold tickets which in return drives the ticket price down.  This is another reason not to buy season tickets.  If you attend every game you will pay a little above face on maybe 2 of the games.  The rest of the games are well below face. Not to mention you don't have to buy preseason game which are worthless.

Season ticket holders like the convenience of never having to buy tickets and they like sitting next to the same people.  Saving a few dollars isn't what's important.

SAR I

[T0mShane]

8 hours ago, SAR I said:

"MAKE SOME NOISE!"

....says the PA announcer for the 30th time in 3 hours because the opposing offense has such a huge lead in time of possession that we're constantly facing 3rd downs.

It's the single most annoying facet of in-person Jets fandom.  They get no first downs, they score no points, and on every routine 3rd and 4 they bark orders at us at full volume.

SAR I

For me, the most humiliating aspect of the PA call-and-response shtick is when they try to get the crowd to applaud for first downs. “And that’ll be a Jets…FIRST DOOOOOOOWWWNNNNN.” So fycking rinky-dink. 

[Lot K Tailgaters]

I’ve had tickets since 1991 when I was 11.  Still sit in the upper deck and for what I pay I’m fine.  I’ve considered dropping them at times though.  
 

It is a lot more work to attend games at the new stadium.  In the old stadium every seat had a good view.  There were also escalators that went straight to the lower level, mezzanine or upper deck.  There were also spiral ramps as well as multiple entrances.  Now most people enter through either the Verizon or Pepsi gates.  Takes a LOT more time.  
 

Covid also didn’t help.  Some people enjoyed being home last year.  There are people out there who aren’t comfortable being in a crowd with 82k fans.  
 

The biggest thing is how bad the Jets have been the past 10 years.  I used to rarely leave a game early.  I’ve found myself doing it quite a bit the past several years.  If they win fans will return.  

[JETSY14]

57 minutes ago, Lot K Tailgaters said:

I’ve had tickets since 1991 when I was 11.  Still sit in the upper deck and for what I pay I’m fine.  I’ve considered dropping them at times though.  
 

It is a lot more work to attend games at the new stadium.  In the old stadium every seat had a good view.  There were also escalators that went straight to the lower level, mezzanine or upper deck.  There were also spiral ramps as well as multiple entrances.  Now most people enter through either the Verizon or Pepsi gates.  Takes a LOT more time.  
 

Covid also didn’t help.  Some people enjoyed being home last year.  There are people out there who aren’t comfortable being in a crowd with 82k fans.  
 

The biggest thing is how bad the Jets have been the past 10 years.  I used to rarely leave a game early.  I’ve found myself doing it quite a bit the past several years.  If they win fans will return.  

Not sure if you looked at the secondary market but you can get lower level or mezz for the same price you pay for ur upper deck tickets. 

[Vader]

I don’t believe the Jets had a legit waiting list at Giants Stadium in the 80s/90s. 

[SAR I]

5 hours ago, Vader said:

I don’t believe the Jets had a legit waiting list at Giants Stadium in the 80s/90s. 

Not sure what you mean.  I was on it from 1988-2003 and every year I’d get a postcard from the Jets telling me how many people were still ahead of me.  At one point they asked us to send in a $50 deposit to validate our interest and remain on it.  

SAR I

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

17 hours ago, SAR I said:

The size of the building doesn't matter.  It was built for a huge city and can accommodate overflow.  The fact that the Jets have consistently been Top 3 in the NFL and #1 in the AFC since MetLife was built is what counts.

But Jets fans, no matter how loyal, have their tipping points.  I cannot invest myself in Sanchez (mishandled), Smith (never should have been drafted), Fitzpatrick (never should have been extended), Petty (never should have been drafted), Darnold (bust), and Wilson (doubts).  

Sitting in a stadium knowing you're going to lose and watching players that you know aren't good and watching your stars trying to get out of town is just awful.  All the Jets have been selling us is hope, and it's hopeless.

SAR I

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

17 hours ago, SAR I said:

It's our 3rd or 4th rebuild in the last 6 or 8 years.  Fans can buy into, maybe, 2 seasons of awful football where at the minimum you're seeing young players develop.  But we've been asked to do that with  Idzik/Geno, Maccagnan/Fitzpatrick, Maccagnan/Darnold, and Douglas/Wilson.  Just can't do this anymore. 

I hate college football yet I'm spending $5,000 a year to watch college kids suck.

Enough.

SAR I

http://www.chicagonow.com/an-agnostic-in-wheaton/files/2014/10/pardonme.jpg

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

http://www.chicagonow.com/an-agnostic-in-wheaton/files/2014/10/pardonme.jpg

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

18 hours ago, SAR I said:

How many more times do you have to read that before you actually believe it?

In the last 13 years, I've spent $195,000 sending my kids to summer camp.  Do you really think $4,000 for a 30 year PSL matters?

SAR I

[FloridaJetsFan]

11 hours ago, SAR I said:

The Jets Illuminati is getting a bit antsy over being so wrong about Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh, I see.  Just you wait until October 31 when the Jets fall to 1-6 and the MetLife Stadium Insurrection begins.  Then maybe you'll understand how wrong you've been for the last decade.

SAR I

Your trust in Hackenberg is simply the tip of the iceberg.

[hungry jackson]

On 10/22/2021 at 7:10 PM, T0mShane said:

Imagine owning a PSL. lol

chime in S A R 1 

[hungry jackson]

20 hours ago, GREENBEAN said:

It’s the parking price. I had to pay $110 for that f*ckin parking pass opening day. WTF is that????


Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

You could have paid 45 dollars by CC at the parking lot.

However that was nose bleed parking by the Izod Center lot # 27

[HighPitch]

On 10/22/2021 at 8:03 PM, jetscrazey said:

Who knew people don’t want to pay $100 for parking?

They have priced out the average fan and then whine when they can’t find enough people to pay up.

Seriously, if im given a ticket and drive to the stadium whats the parking cost?

[Bugg]

12 hours ago, Vader said:

I don’t believe the Jets had a legit waiting list at Giants Stadium in the 80s/90s. 

They did. The prices weren't stupid, and under Hess you weren't required to buy preseason games. 

[Bugg]

4 hours ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

http://www.chicagonow.com/an-agnostic-in-wheaton/files/2014/10/pardonme.jpg

Having been to a game at Soldier Field, the WSS would have been something like that. No tailgating but you would take mass transit and either go to a bar before or the stadium would have had tailgating stuff right there. Think the everyone driving to a stadium is going to be an issue going forward, because traffic and also drinking. 

[JETSY14]

After the beating we will receive today tickets will be even cheaper for next week.  Pats are making us look silly in the first 3 minutes