1JD & Hard Knocks

[JiFtheOracle]

8 hours ago, rtnelson said:

Came here to say this.  That wasn't very rahrah cheerleader coaching.

He's put this stuff to rest every time it's starts to surface, which is inevitably right around this time because of bunch of tough cool guy posters who used to play Football barefoot in the snow w/ out helmets, doesnt care for his slogans (they all have them) or because he gave the guys a day of extra rest.  Remember last year at this time, how "Charmin soft" he was and the team would be on Sundays and then they took the field and it was all put to bed very quickly.  Rinse repeat, just like overreacting to preseason, just like overreacting to week 1...it's just the comfort zone for some people.  

 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

6 hours ago, Maxman said:

Good episode. This defense, they laugh and are loose but I have no doubt they will be serious and keep putting in the work needed.

Q is amazing. His daughter is smiling when he signs the contract, he says i'd be smiling too.

I was told that Michael Carter is the funniest Jet. Q though, he can't be far behind.

Quickly becoming one of my favorite all time players.  He's just like a big lovable goofball who is an absolute beast, DPOY type caliber player.  The Panthers literally couldnt block him, at all, no matter which way he went, not sure if you know but he thinks he had like 10 sacks...hahaha....and then got 11.  Such a cutie pie. The Jets definitely have some characters on this team, for sure.

The thing about Carter too w/ this whole Cook issue and who is the odd man out...it's almost like he's a glue guy on the team.  He just seems to be a favorite in the building.  When he takes them out, his line is "family".  For a team that is as big as they are on "vibes", I cant imagine them getting rid of Carter.  He's too much of a culture enhancer. 

 

[JiFtheOracle]

4 hours ago, PS17 said:

My biggest takeaway. He showed me something ripping into the o-line. I’ve always thought of Saleh as kind of soft so it was good to see him play bad cop and then have the line respond and play well. 

Rodgers oozes charisma and leadership, which we know. I sat there with a sh*t eating grin the whole episode. The little moment with Becton was priceless. “Let’s get lunch.“ f*ck yeah

Will McDonald is legit. Loved seeing the Carolina linemen already impressed and complimenting him. Also like the dude’s unique style and mindset. He just has a good energy about him.

Hard Knocks has mostly bored me in recent years. Obviously I’m biased because I’m geeking out with the Jets content but this feels like objectively great TV; a compelling team with personality. Really loving this.

 

Will McDonald has a great story and is a pure freak and I love watching him, that man fits that uniform so well, very hawt.   We can obviously see he's got some crazy pass rush moves but I think what impresses me the most is, I'm not sure I've seen a player disengage blocks and run for the ball carrier when the play isnt coming his way faster and w/ more urgency in my life.  The only player who comes to mind is the comparison I made last week, Javon Kearse, the Freak and they have some very similar attributes, though I think the Freak played w/ a little more weight.  Either way, what a special dude....him and JJ are going to be a handful for a long time.

And he was giving me some Dennis Rodman vibes in that piercing shop...., a clean, well mannered Rodman that is....

[JiFtheOracle]

36 minutes ago, Wolfe Jet said:

‘I get up in there more than other guys..’   🥹  The battle for Center continues…

 

The envy I have for every player who gets to snap the ball to Aaron Rodgers under center is unnatural.  

[y2k8]

9 minutes ago, JiF said:

Quickly becoming one of my favorite all time players.  He's just like a big lovable goofball who is an absolute beast, DPOY type caliber player.  The Panthers literally couldnt block him, at all, no matter which way he went, not sure if you know but he thinks he had like 10 sacks...hahaha....and then got 11.  Such a cutie pie. The Jets definitely have some characters on this team, for sure.

 

The revelation of this episode was seeing Q switch from lovable teddybear to intensely competitive, trash talking force of nature on the field.

We've never seen that side of him. He always seemed too "nice" to be as good as he is. Now we know he really has that edge. Loved it.

[T0mShane]

Has to be a little worrisome considering the OL immediately went out and put up their worst day of camp. The downside of the PVO life is that it’s hard to turn around and say “we’re going to be tough and mean now, in this specific area.” 

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Has to be a little worrisome considering the OL immediately went out and put up their worst day of camp. The downside of the PVO life is that it’s hard to turn around and say “we’re going to be tough and mean now, in this specific area.” 

 

[Scott Dierking]

5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Has to be a little worrisome considering the OL immediately went out and put up their worst day of camp. The downside of the PVO life is that it’s hard to turn around and say “we’re going to be tough and mean now, in this specific area.” 

Nice to see a little bit of fire, rather than some inspirational rhetoric. Small baby step forward for leadership. Now see how they respond in total. 

[TuscanyTile2]

 

I guess Zach Kuntz ran the wrong route on the TD?  "Run the wrong route, get the ball".  Hilarious!  (though concerning)

 

[JiFtheOracle]

12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Has to be a little worrisome considering the OL immediately went out and put up their worst day of camp. The downside of the PVO life is that it’s hard to turn around and say “we’re going to be tough and mean now, in this specific area.” 

Clearly it's a concern or Saleh wouldnt have got in there ass but I'd be more "worried" if this was your starting 5 out there, getting beat, not getting it right, and week 1, was a a week out, etc.but it's not and clearly, they're still working things out a bit/waiting for the return of their LT.  Rodgers is having to explain how he wants the ball snapped to him as they rotate through getting different looks at Center...that in itself is something you have to think about in addition to what now after the ball is snapped.

The OL went out and had a very strong outing in the preseason game, put some really good tape on film, letting up 1 sack/1 QB hit and the first unit was especially strong run blocking.  

[JiFtheOracle]

26 minutes ago, y2k8 said:

The revelation of this episode was seeing Q switch from lovable teddybear to intensely competitive, trash talking force of nature on the field.

We've never seen that side of him. He always seemed too "nice" to be as good as he is. Now we know he really has that edge. Loved it.

I loved it when he busted through on a would be sack and he's just screaming "I'm a ******* BEAST!!!!"  loved it

[TuscanyTile2]

The best under-the-radar moment of episode 2 was AR telling Becton he wanted to meet with him for lunch during the week.  I get the sense that he sees the potential in Becton and is making him a special project of his.

I enjoyed the parts with IV a lot as well.

Plus it's crazy how much AR seems like he's the HC of the NYJ.  I think it's a good thing, btw.

[Scott Dierking]

3 minutes ago, JiF said:

Clearly it's a concern or Saleh wouldnt have got in there ass but I'd be more "worried" if this was your starting 5 out there, getting beat, not getting it right, and week 1, was a a week out, etc.but it's not and clearly, they're still working things out a bit/waiting for the return of their LT.  Rodgers is having to explain how he wants the ball snapped to him as they rotate through getting different looks at Center...that in itself is something you have to think about in addition to what now after the ball is snapped.

The OL went out and had a very strong outing in the preseason game, put some really good tape on film, letting up 1 sack/1 QB hit and the first unit was especially strong run blocking.  

They went back to basics and worked a short passing game getting the ball out quickly. They blocked that well (as they should). see if they go more drop back this week.

[Dunnie]

They went back to basics and worked a short passing game getting the ball out quickly. They blocked that well (as they should). see if they go more drop back this week.

Was thinking the same thing. Have to be able to block for more than 2.5 seconds.

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[JiFtheOracle]

2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

They went back to basics and worked a short passing game getting the ball out quickly. They blocked that well (as they should). see if they go more drop back this week.

True but Hackett said yesterday, they're rotating guys around a lot on the OL.  He wants them to be versatile and know assignments for multiple positions incase the season starts, injuries happens and they have to do some shifting.  He said "we are still trying to find our best 5", which tells me, they havent picked their starting 5 yet...which I guess you could look at as "concerning or worrisome" but also could explain some of the woes they're facing as they figure it out.

[Dunnie]

Has to be a little worrisome considering the OL immediately went out and put up their worst day of camp. The downside of the PVO life is that it’s hard to turn around and say “we’re going to be tough and mean now, in this specific area.” 

I think a surprise cut or two will wake guys up. Don't even need to say anything ... Guys will be like .. oh sh*t ... He's gone ? No need to break a guy down in public during a team meeting if he's getting cut. It's just ... '.. if you're not here ... It wasn't good enough '

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[Bobby816]

For sure like Hard Knocks more than 1JD. Not that 1JD isn't good. Just Hard Knocks has been better through 2 shows.

[SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN]

Jets 31 49ers 21

[TuscanyTile2]

I also like the way the players from opposing teams encourage each other.

Adam Thielen told ZW after the game something like "keep grinding" and "nobody can write your story".  I know that's basically what Saleh says but it means more from another player, imo.

The OL from Carolina (I think #75) told IV something like "you're shifty, dog.  You're gonna be nice in this league".

AR thanked Brian Burns for not playing and told him he was a great player.   He also gave a lot of encouragement to Bryce Young.  That has to be so cool for a young player to be talked up by a HOF QB.

[Another Guy]

Hard Knocks is doing a fantastic job this year.  Aaron Rodgers’ authenticity and natural leadership had been revealed. 

[Larz]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Has to be a little worrisome considering the OL immediately went out and put up their worst day of camp. The downside of the PVO life is that it’s hard to turn around and say “we’re going to be tough and mean now, in this specific area.” 

Pretty sure they practiced on their own after that and more importantly he “suggested “ they run it in the game and the line responded.  

[Rob Moore]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

Quickly becoming one of my favorite all time players.  He's just like a big lovable goofball who is an absolute beast, DPOY type caliber player.  The Panthers literally couldnt block him, at all, no matter which way he went, not sure if you know but he thinks he had like 10 sacks...hahaha....and then got 11.  Such a cutie pie. The Jets definitely have some characters on this team, for sure.

The thing about Carter too w/ this whole Cook issue and who is the odd man out...it's almost like he's a glue guy on the team.  He just seems to be a favorite in the building.  When he takes them out, his line is "family".  For a team that is as big as they are on "vibes", I cant imagine them getting rid of Carter.  He's too much of a culture enhancer. 

 

I was discussing Carter with a few friends the other day after the Cook signing, and I used that same exact term to describe him….glue guy.  Teams need these types of guys.

[Jetkwondo]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

Will McDonald has a great story and is a pure freak and I love watching him, that man fits that uniform so well, very hawt.   We can obviously see he's got some crazy pass rush moves but I think what impresses me the most is, I'm not sure I've seen a player disengage blocks and run for the ball carrier when the play isnt coming his way faster and w/ more urgency in my life.  The only player who comes to mind is the comparison I made last week, Javon Kearse, the Freak and they have some very similar attributes, though I think the Freak played w/ a little more weight.  Either way, what a special dude....him and JJ are going to be a handful for a long time.

And he was giving me some Dennis Rodman vibes in that piercing shop...., a clean, well mannered Rodman that is....

All true, well said.

What I might add is his super chill, honest off field personality "it made me cry", and his on field "don't want to be normal" mindset. He's aiming for pure greatness!

[Jetkwondo]

49 minutes ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

Jets 31 49ers 21

Shhhhh....all he did there was plant a mental seed in all their heads, no guarantee. 

[Jetsfan80]

10 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said:

Carolina OL complimenting McDonald middle of the game??? What a stud. 

bUt wE cOuLdA dRaFtEd teh sLoT rEcEivEr

 

Another @Joe W. Namath error.

[Jet_Engine1]

9 hours ago, BloodGreen said:

Saleh came off much more head coach-like in my opinion.

 

7 hours ago, PS17 said:

My biggest takeaway. He showed me something ripping into the o-line. I’ve always thought of Saleh as kind of soft so it was good to see him play bad cop and then have the line respond and play well. 

Rodgers oozes charisma and leadership, which we know. I sat there with a sh*t eating grin the whole episode. The little moment with Becton was priceless. “Let’s get lunch.“ f*ck yeah

Will McDonald is legit. Loved seeing the Carolina linemen already impressed and complimenting him. Also like the dude’s unique style and mindset. He just has a good energy about him.

Hard Knocks has mostly bored me in recent years. Obviously I’m biased because I’m geeking out with the Jets content but this feels like objectively great TV; a compelling team with personality. Really loving this.

 

 

2 hours ago, Reasonable Jets Fan said:

But I keep hearing he is a soft cheerleader. 

 

Go to a Hard Core Military unit. The CG, the Colonel, the CO doesn't break bad and scream and yell at people, he doesn't want the guys overtrained, he wants morale high and doctrine understood and instilled. 

The Old Man has Captains and NCOs to handle the wall to wall counseling and screaming at the dumb privates. But on a rare occasion, the CO will personally correct an issue, and when he does, everyone takes note. 

 

Saleh worships the SEALs. His Bible is Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink. He's all about communication and instruction, as well as leading up and down the chain. 

 

Everything I've seen from Saleh fits that leadership model perfectly. Would we rather have a guy telling players they're stupid, screaming and yelling, and enforcing arbitrary and nonsensical rules? Who would you play harder for. Or look to escape?

[Reasonable Jets Fan]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Has to be a little worrisome considering the OL immediately went out and put up their worst day of camp. The downside of the PVO life is that it’s hard to turn around and say “we’re going to be tough and mean now, in this specific area.” 

No they didn't... They played well in the game... This was after the joint practice. 

[Barry McCockinner]

 

[Biggs]

2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

The best under-the-radar moment of episode 2 was AR telling Becton he wanted to meet with him for lunch during the week.  I get the sense that he sees the potential in Becton and is making him a special project of his.

I enjoyed the parts with IV a lot as well.

Plus it's crazy how much AR seems like he's the HC of the NYJ.  I think it's a good thing, btw.

It's going to be a big lunch for Rodgers.  

[slimjasi]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

bUt wE cOuLdA dRaFtEd teh sLoT rEcEivEr

 

Another @Joe W. Namath error.

Oh, Joe wasn't alone on that one. 

 

A LOT of people here were sh*tting on that McDonald pick. 

 

I remember all the names and there will be a time for retribution! 

 

 

 

[Barry McCockinner]

Just now, slimjasi said:

Oh, Joe wasn't alone on that one. 

 

A LOT of people here were sh*tting on that McDonald pick. 

 

I remember all the names and there will be a time for retribution! 

 

 

 

were?

[Jetkwondo]

Josh McCown sighting last night meeting Sauce. Loved that guy's leadership as our QB, was hoping he joined our coaching staff instead of Carolina. 

[Facts]

The OL ripping was the first time i've been proud of Saleh in a long time.

[C Mart]

1 hour ago, Facts said:

The OL ripping was the first time i've been proud of Saleh in a long time.

You won't see Saleh ripping players on the sideline during games..He has said countless times that isn't his style. Behind the scenes is another story....

[Bleedin Green]

Agree with everyone's takes on the Saleh stuff.  It definitely stood out and was great to see, and gives some more context to how things really operate behind the scenes.

The Rodgers stuff was of course all great, but it's interesting some of the little nuances you see in a legit QB.  While the whole Kuntz thing was hysterical, you also cannot ignore the fact that what led to that was the guy was sitting out the whole game, yet still paid attention to every play call and knew all the players' responsibilities, so immediately knew what had happened.  A lot of other guys who aren't in pads during preseason (not specific to the Jets, but throughout the league) you so often see just wandering around and BSing, not paying a ton attention to the game until a big play happens.

Additionally, you couldn't help but notice Rodgers repeatedly talking to the referees, both in practice and multiple times throughout the game.  This wasn't just arguing with them either, he clearly knew who these guys all were and was literally getting them to explain themselves to him.  This is the kind of stuff that I think only the top guys can get away with, and is what starts to subconsciously have refs taking more consideration into some of the things said when calling games.  From getting the refs to agree to wipe the balls down, to literally getting approached with an explaination to Rodgers why the free play was called dead, and him still asking for more info.  Those seem like little things, but all it takes is having it influence how one play gets called later, and it could be meaningful.