Mangold calling out the Oline

[FactsOnly]

Yet you got casuals blaming Zach Wilson for taking sacks with 1 second to throw

[jetstream23]

They blew.

[Jet2020]

7 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

Yet you got casuals blaming Zach Wilson for taking sacks with 1 second to throw

If you had any common sense, you’d know that the QB doesn’t have a lot of time and he can’t be protected beyond 4 seconds, so why run around like a hooker trying to find a guy on third down and then take a stupid ass sack, pushing you out of FG range?

[JOJOTOWNSELL]

😝 

[FactsOnly]

1 minute ago, Jet2020 said:

If you had any common sense, you’d know that the QB doesn’t have a mouth time and he can’t be protected beyond 4 seconds, so why run around like a hooker trying to find a guy on third down and then take a stupid ass sack, pushing you out of FG range?

Come again?

are you saying future hall of famed and Jet legend Nick Mangold is wrong?

[PS17]

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[Jet2020]

5 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

Come again?

are you saying future hall of famed and Jet legend Nick Mangold is wrong?

Did you miss the part where I mentioned Zach doesn’t have a lot of time? Or shall I write it again? We all know how much time Zach has, except Zachary the MILF hunter himself. 

[FactsOnly]

Let me guess Nick Mangold is a ‘truther’ also

[PS17]

26 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

They blew.

Zach takes horrendous sacks. And Breece has a stacked box every play because of the inept QB. Good QBs make the OL look okay. How’s CJ Stroud doing?

 

[BornJetsFan1983]

31 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

Yet you got casuals blaming Zach Wilson for taking sacks with 1 second to throw

Yeah well I think that's coaching 

[PS17]

People are trying to turn this into David Carr 2002 Texans and it’s not remotely comparable.

[bitonti]

27 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

Yet you got casuals blaming Zach Wilson for taking sacks with 1 second to throw

so I agree with the idea that the right side of the OL tonight was very poor 

as was Laken, another "amazing" JD signing 

they are by any measure a bottom 5 line in the league I think PFF even had them in last place last week 

but the other part of the story Zach leads the league in time to throw 

he can't make decisions because of his crippling ADHD but he's getting some time  

27 minutes ago, FactsOnly said:

If you had any common sense, you’d know that the QB doesn’t have a lot of time and he can’t be protected beyond 4 seconds

Industry standard for NFL qbs is 2.5 seconds. They give them these helmets with buzzers in them that go off after 2.5 seconds 

again yes Billy Turner is worthless (another amazing JD signing) and they have to fix the OL but a half decent QB doesn't take 8 sacks tonight 

and in general more time shouldn't be the goal, opening rushing lanes, picking up basic stunts not getting beat 1-on-1 that's what you can expect from good offensive lines

You don't want a line to give Zach 8 seconds usually the longer a play takes to execute in the NFL the worse the outcome 

[jetstream23]

1 minute ago, PS17 said:

People are trying to turn this into David Carr 2002 Texans and it’s not remotely comparable.

One of those people are Nick Mangold. 

[PS17]

Just now, jetstream23 said:

One of those people are Nick Mangold. 

And he’s hilariously wrong

[Rich Thornburgh]

Chris Simms daily everyone but Zach’s fault thread

[Rich Thornburgh]

29 minutes ago, PS17 said:

People are trying to turn this into David Carr 2002 Texans and it’s not remotely comparable.

Didn’t Zach Wilson once sack himself in a game?

 

 

oh wait he did 

 

 

[oatmeal]

The team is giving up on the terrible QB, guys are tired of risking themselves when the qb does nothing but put on hospital ball clinics 🙄

[Flashlite80]

Ridiulous!!!!!     The fact is the line is the most embarrassing in football.  They cannot pass protect or run block but they make up for it by routinely taking stupid penalties because they can't line up, not move until ball is snapped  and not illegally shift.

When you put a QB like Zach behind that, you get what you saw. 

Should you expect stellar QB play in the middle of that chaos?  Consider the struggles of Mahomes, Allen, Hurt and Hebert, behind stellar protection, against our defensive line? Quality QB play occurs behind solid protection.  Cut the 2.5 second baloney.  How many top QB's wait for their receiver to come all the way across the field or 35 yards down the field?

Put a decent line in front of Zach and you'd get much better QB who needs more time in his reads and still misses open receivers.  He has a long way to go but is getting better.  The speed of his improvement is retarded by the miserable line play.

[BigRy56]

Come on down and start snapping to Zach then Nicky

[BurntDice]

15 hours ago, Jet2020 said:

Did you miss the part where I mentioned Zach doesn’t have a lot of time? Or shall I write it again? We all know how much time Zach has, except Zachary the MILF hunter himself. 

Zachs average time to throw yesterday was 3.7 seconds which is well above what’s needed. We’re there a few quick sacks on the OL sure there were, but that is only half of them. The offense as a whole is in shambles. QB, WR, OL, OC 

[DoubleDown]

That is calling out the OL?  I was expecting something with a bit more oomph.

Everyone knows that the OL is not performing well right now.  Not really sure what is to be expected as the unit has been decimated by injuries.  They are literally playing the 8th and 9th players on the depth chart right now.

With all that said, Zach is doing them no favors.  He's holding onto the ball way too long and taking unnecessary sacks.  Defenses are keying in on the run, and Zach's slow processing speed is not allowing the Jets to keep them honest.

[DoubleDown]

2 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

Zachs average time to throw yesterday was 3.7 seconds.

Crazy if true.  That is an eternity in the NFL.

[Sperm Edwards]

15 hours ago, bitonti said:

Industry standard for NFL qbs is 2.5 seconds. They give them these helmets with buzzers in them that go off after 2.5 seconds 

 

I didn't know this was a thing. 

[Claymation]

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Talk about a bushel of clowns

[bitonti]

2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

I didn't know this was a thing. 

Alot of us who have watched football as long as Zach has been alive have internalized that clock 

Interestingly cimini just said Zach was averaging 2.54 seconds time to throw in the first half last night which would have been the best of the season for him had he maintained it for a whole game 

But average isn't a real useful stat in football. Besides Zach, The line was also terrible. Both of these things were true and both are Joe Douglas creations 

[Jetsfan80]

He's taken 97 sacks in 30 games.  We gonna blame the OL for 3 years worth of sacks?  

His sack rate in 2021-22 was 9.6 %.  The Mike White/Joe Flacco/Josh Johnson trio's sack rate was 5 % in that span.  I imagine even this year a non-Zach QB's sack rate would be about 6 % while Zach's has cleared 10 %.

The OL isn't good.  Zach still holds the ball way too long.  He's t-8th in the league in time to throw (2.94 sec).

But sure.  Keep making lame excuses and neg repping people.  You're doing great here.

[nj meadowlands]

Dude Zach has played 31 games.

[Jetsfan80]

16 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

Crazy if true.  That is an eternity in the NFL.

To be fair, his pocket time dropped to 2.0 sec on the season.  Last week he was at 2.1 and t-15th.  Before that he was in the top 10 in pocket time.  So the pocket IS indeed collapsing quicker than it was earlier in the season.

But we also saw him getting plenty of time the first 5-6 games of the season and still not doing anything positive minus 2 possessions of the KC game.  So how can anyone say the OL is the biggest problem with this offense?  He sucks even when he gets elite protection. 

[Barry McCockinner]

why is this guy allowed to constantly disrespect posters on here? Have we looked at his post history?

totally obnoxious behavior

[BurntDice]

19 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

Crazy if true.  That is an eternity in the NFL.

 

[T0mShane]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

To be fair, his pocket time dropped to 2.0 sec.  Last week he was at 2.1 and t-15th.  So the pocket IS indeed collapsing quicker than it was earlier in the season.

But we also saw him getting plenty of time the first 5-6 games of the season and still not doing anything positive minus the KC game.  So how can anyone say the OL is the biggest problem with this offense?  He sucks even when he gets elite protection. 

His TTT, pocket time, and associated stats all changed for the positive when the Chargers went into the prevent for the last eight minutes. He had 70 yards and a bunch of easy completions after the Chargers went up 14

[T0mShane]

11 minutes ago, BurntDice said:

 

Holy sh*t

[Sperm Edwards]

31 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Alot of us who have watched football as long as Zach has been alive have internalized that clock 

Interestingly cimini just said Zach was averaging 2.54 seconds time to throw in the first half last night which would have been the best of the season for him had he maintained it for a whole game 

But average isn't a real useful stat in football. Besides Zach, The line was also terrible. Both of these things were true and both are Joe Douglas creations 

I actually think it's a good idea, if it's allowed.

Give him a buzz at 2.5 seconds, another at 3 seconds, and a 1000-volt electric shock if it reaches 3.5.

[Jetsfan80]

27 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

why is this guy allowed to constantly disrespect posters on here? Have we looked at his post history?

totally obnoxious behavior

Here's some of his greatest hits!

 

18 hours ago, FactsOnly said:

That happens to every QB in every game you clueless shill

 

18 hours ago, FactsOnly said:

Such a dumbass thread from a CASUAL FAN

 

20 hours ago, FactsOnly said:

I call it how it is clown!!!

 

On 10/30/2023 at 10:58 AM, FactsOnly said:

Stats need context you dimwit 

 

On 10/16/2023 at 4:39 PM, FactsOnly said:

guarantee I played more football than you did 🤣

no grown man is dissecting whether or not another grown man forgot their name for a split second you've never been in a locker room 🤭

seek help mate

 

On 10/15/2023 at 7:25 PM, FactsOnly said:

Kid is a full blown idiot 🤣😭😂

cobb and Charles not beating man coverage 

 

On 10/15/2023 at 7:01 PM, FactsOnly said:

Explain how to throw it away in the pocket clown?

  

On 10/15/2023 at 6:59 PM, FactsOnly said:

THROW IT WHERE DOOFUS

 

On 10/15/2023 at 5:42 PM, FactsOnly said:

Who’s open you nitwit??

 

On 10/9/2023 at 8:54 PM, FactsOnly said:

The pass that went through his hands and hit him in his face you dimwit try and keep up

 

On 10/9/2023 at 3:49 PM, FactsOnly said:

high and late insinuates what then you nitwit? good?

 

And that's just from his posts in the last month.

Add in, of course, countless neg reps and instances of repeatedly calling the whole fan base "casuals".

[cat999]

43 minutes ago, DoubleDown said:

Crazy if true.  That is an eternity in the NFL.

Not true, Zach Rosenblatt posted that his average time to throw was 2.71, not 3.7.  When under pressure, and therefore sometimes scrambling to buy time, it was 3.37. Both are still too high