Soft Gardner tweeting out his “stats” after an embarrassing loss again

[Charlie Brown]

2 hours ago, Creepy Lurker said:

I don’t blame him at all. He’s doing great on a TERRIBLE team and needs to worry about his best interests. Not one player on this team should “buy in” or put the team first until there is reason to do so. Self preservation and personal interests being priority is completely justified. 

Thank you... A young guy who is one of the best in the league, certainly one of the best on the Jets, says so, and some of us have a problem with it, calling him "soft" ....

Good Grief!  

[Yeetin It]

25 minutes ago, Maxman said:

A lot of fans have been saying, tank, lose them all. Tank for the draft pick, winning means nothing.

Well on paper losing gets you a better pick.

In reality losing also breaks things along the way. These stress fractures add up and then you end up having even more problems.

Winning is good.

I swear some people think that the only way to be a good football team is to constantly be rebuilding. If you don’t “blow it up” you never get better. 
 

It’s ok to consider that the defense is actually good and that they might just need a different coach or system.

[Matt39]

54 minutes ago, Maxman said:

I see what you are saying now. This is a statement more about them not using Sauce to his full capacity as a shut down man corner?

You don’t even know Sauce is on the field on this defense. The only thing we see him doing is escorting a player after he’s caught the ball because he doesn’t want to make the tackle. I don’t see how you can watch Sauve play and be encouraged by his effort with a huge part of the game. Deion turned the ball over and returned kicks for touchdowns. Sauce does neither. 

[Matt39]

32 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

Thank you... A young guy who is one of the best in the league, certainly one of the best on the Jets, says so, and some of us have a problem with it, calling him "soft" ....

Good Grief!  

He doesn’t tackle. Watch the games. 

[nj meadowlands]

LOL HE ACTUALLY POSTED A THREAD WITH THIS GARBAGE HAHAHHA

- a season ticket holder 

[Bugg]

2 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Unfortunately they always turn out to be correct. A man corner taken 4th overall to play zone, without the zone instincts to pick the ball off is a waste of a talent. The Jets pass defense is easily beatable by decent teams, and the AFC east teams have had zero issues passing the ball. If the staff is actually returning, he’s an obvious trade candidate. Sherman was what a 5th rounder? 

It isn't his fault he's a cover corner playing for a defense that minimizes his talent in zone. Rex Ryan, what ever else you could say about him, would be putting Sauce on the other team's top dog  WR every week. Super genius Bobby Salad plays his defense, no tweaks, no "Sauce Island". With Cooper out last night, jets still did nothing to stop Djoku, the most dangerous threat. Might be odd to put a corner on a TE, but he was the biggest threat. And he...RAN F___IN' WILD last night. Watch Belichick try to take Wilson and Hall away from the Jets offense next Sunday. Yeah, Bob doesn't do that. Does lose games in December and January; 2-14 late in the season. 

[Matt39]

58 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

I mean, I absolutely have a problem with it, but it is what it is. Top CBs are all wideout-level divas these days. Like you said, he’s a (minimum) top-3 player at a big-time position. The idea of trading him for “probably a 1” because the Eagles happened to sh*t their pants on a day he didn’t play is, uhhh,

Is he top 3? How do you even grade a CB anyways. With Revis it was straight forward because he played 1 on 1 and in his early seasons he was one of the better open field tacklers on football. Can anyone explain what value Sauce brings playing zone if he doesn’t turn the ball over (like Asante Samuel or Sherman excelled at)? I’m puzzled on this one. The marketing does a great job with the nickname and the cute #1 jerseys, but a guy who’s apparently this great asset could be turned around for picks if they’re going to continue to play Tampa 2. 

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, Bugg said:

It isn't his fault he's a cover corner playing for a defense that minimizes his talent in zone. Rex Ryan, what ever else you could say about him, would be putting Sauce on the other team's top dog  WR every week. Super genius Bobby Salad plays his defense, no tweaks, no "Sauce Island". With Cooper out last night, jets still did nothing to stop Djoku, the most dangerous threat. Might be odd to put a corner on a TE, but he was the biggest threat. And he...RAN F___IN' WILD last night. Watch Belichick try to take Wilson and Hall away from the Jets offense next Sunday. Yeah, Bob doesn't do that. Does lose games in December and January; 2-14 late in the season. 

I’m not saying it’s his fault. But his value(especially if he’s as good as he thinks he is) is completely diminished playing Tampa 2. He’s not a zone corner who has the ability to bait QBs. He just doesn’t have that skillset. Revis wasn’t that guy either but his job was to follow the #1 to the bathroom if he went there. And watching guys not tackle like Gardner does will always drive me crazy.

[rex-n-effect]

Sauce is good but he hasn't been great this year. He's not good at tackling and usually gives up a few YAC if he's anywhere near the reception. He had two interceptions last year and zero this year. 

He's being misused in zone coverage, same as when Tampa used Revis in zone. It's stupid to have him stuck on one side and not covering the WR1 always. QBs might avoid throwing in his direction but offenses can also put a weaker receiver over there and create mismatches all over the field. 

It's not his fault how he's used but when he has an opportunity he's not making the most of it. Would he have better stats if used competently? Probably.

 

[neckdemon]

3 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Jermaine Johnson is part of the solution. Sauce is not. There, some positivity. 

really? kid is young and one of, if not the best cb in the league. he is part of the solution for any team

[nj meadowlands]

1 minute ago, neckdemon said:

really? kid is young and one of, if not the best cb in the league. he is part of the solution for any team

Don’t bother lol 

[Long Island Leprechaun]

3 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Trading him or him asking for a trade would be good. You can actually get assets for him and you’re not losing much from a production/leadership standpoint. The Jets need offense more than a corner. Echols and Carter could easily fill the void opposite Reed. The Jets are the same team with or without Gardner on the roster. I’d argue the Eagles game could indicate they may be better.

Because...because... interceptions! This may be the dumbest take I've seen in quite a while. But then it would be what I'd expect.

[jeremy2020]

I'm gonna be really annoyed by this when he's a patriot.

[Matt39]

6 minutes ago, Long Island Leprechaun said:

Because...because... interceptions! This may be the dumbest take I've seen in quite a while. But then it would be what I'd expect.

It’s more than that. But Jets fans coping to the point where they believe interceptions don’t matter (for the 4th overall pick who’s playing zone) is peak Jets fan. 

[Matt39]

22 minutes ago, rex-n-effect said:

Sauce is good but he hasn't been great this year. He's not good at tackling and usually gives up a few YAC if he's anywhere near the reception. He had two interceptions last year and zero this year. 

He's being misused in zone coverage, same as when Tampa used Revis in zone. It's stupid to have him stuck on one side and not covering the WR1 always. QBs might avoid throwing in his direction but offenses can also put a weaker receiver over there and create mismatches all over the field. 

It's not his fault how he's used but when he has an opportunity he's not making the most of it. Would he have better stats if used competently? Probably.

 

Sauce is playing the flat. Playing zone on one side of the field. He rarely trails guys. If this is intentional to keep the belief alive that he’s the next Revis IDK. He gives up a ton of YAC if he’s around the ball because he doesn’t tackle. Im not sure if this is counted against him but the Shakir play was a glimpse into the him not playing the flat for once  Gets beat and then refuses to tackle. 

It’s ok to push back against the narrative. Garrett Wilson is an awesome talent. Jermaine Johnson plays with his hair on fire. Breece Hall is a once in a generation player for the Jets. Sauce getting propped into something he’s not doesn’t help anyone. 

[Aussie Jet]

Gardner is a very good cornerback being overrated by many Jets fans because we have precious little talent on this disaster of a roster.

I think he has taken a step back in 2023 compared to his rookie year, but that's understandable because he set the bar so high for himself in his first year as a pro footballer.

Arguably Saleh is not making best use of his talents because he has a rigid system for defence that does not involve Gardner playing man on man against the opponent's best receiver.

He also doesn't get the opportunities other cornerbacks on more competently run teams get to pad his stats because our opponents more often than not are in clock chewing mode in the fourth quarter rather than playing catch up. Hard to get picks if the opponent's quarterback is handing it off 30 times a game.

One hopes that a league average offence makes the defence more imposing in 2024. But we are the Jets and we don't get nice things.

[neckdemon]

i just heard that sauce was supposedly going to be shadowing amari but he was hurt. did the coaching staff finally figure out that this is how you use a corner like sauce? just like it took them until a couple weeks ago to figure out breece needs to be on the field for like 80% of the snaps?? the solution isn't to trade away our best players. the solution is to fire the idiots who don't know how to use them

[Jimmy 2 Times]

What's wrong with letting people know you're better than the company you keep?

 

I hope I'm not judged by this site of malcontents.... 

[Matt39]

Just now, neckdemon said:

i just heard that sauce was supposedly going to be shadowing amari but he was hurt. did the coaching staff finally figure out that this is how you use a corner like sauce? just like it took them until a couple weeks ago to figure out breece needs to be on the field for like 80% of the snaps?? the solution isn't to trade away our best players. the solution is to fire the idiots who don't know how to use them

We already know Saleh is coming back. They’re not tweaking the defense. These guys aren’t brains like Belichick. I honestly don’t believe Saleh and Ulrixh have the capability of doing anything really beyond playing a Tampa 2. Sauce was likely a Woody pick anyways as he isn’t a scheme fit at 4 overall. 

[dbatesman]

47 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Is he top 3? How do you even grade a CB anyways. With Revis it was straight forward because he played 1 on 1 and in his early seasons he was one of the better open field tacklers on football. Can anyone explain what value Sauce brings playing zone if he doesn’t turn the ball over (like Asante Samuel or Sherman excelled at)? I’m puzzled on this one. The marketing does a great job with the nickname and the cute #1 jerseys, but a guy who’s apparently this great asset could be turned around for picks if they’re going to continue to play Tampa 2. 

This is a blunt instrument, and it‘s from a couple weeks ago, but still

[dbatesman]

This too. He’s just giving us numbers, not rankings (and I don’t subscribe to whatever site he’s on now), but he puts it into some level of context

 

 

[jamesr]

"One day, the Sauce Gardner type of player will no longer be on this team"

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[Matt39]

6 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

This too. He’s just giving us numbers, not rankings (and I don’t subscribe to whatever site he’s on now), but he puts it into some level of context

 

 

Sauce is generally covering a spot and not a man. Curious how he’s evaluating this. And do interceptions contribute to dvoa?

[dbatesman]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

Sauce is generally covering a spot and not a man. Curious how he’s evaluating this. And do interceptions contribute to dvoa?

No idea—sounds like it’s a new stat

[GreenFish]

Sauce wanting to play well for himself helps the team. Doesnt make a difference. It’s not like he’s playing undisciplined and trying to make splash plays outside the structure of the defense.

Jamal for example hurt the D despite good sack numbers because he was not disciplined. That’s not what Sauce is doing.

[Matt39]

Just now, GreenFish said:

Sauce wanting to play well for himself helps the team. Doesnt make a difference. It’s not like he’s playing undisciplined and trying to make splash plays.

He’s literally not tackling. 

[GangGreened]

Sauce is going to make 2 all pros in his first 2 seasons lol 

[RutgersJetFan]

26 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

This too. He’s just giving us numbers, not rankings (and I don’t subscribe to whatever site he’s on now), but he puts it into some level of context

 

 

Are these numbers certified fresh? Do they factor in the eye test? Do they count his giant chain? 

[Jimmy 2 Times]

7 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Are these numbers certified fresh? Do they factor in the eye test? Do they count his giant chain? 

yes.

[BCJet]

4 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I mean, ludicrous take.

What is a young elite defender on this team supposed to do? Hang his head in shame like he has anything to do with this mess?

We're lucky Sauce, GW, Breece, etc. aren't trying to get traded. How dare they point out that they've actually played extremely well?

Perfectly said!  I agree that its a complete shock that Sauce, Garrett etc dont walk off the field and tell JD to trade them.

They just lost to a Browns team that lost their top 3 OTs, an all-pro RB and their QB and they are going to the playoffs.  Yet the few elite players we have are forced to be part of an organization where the coaching staff is clueless and the team has no accountability.

 

[dbatesman]

19 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Are these numbers certified fresh? Do they factor in the eye test? Do they count his giant chain? 

No, no, and yes, respectively

[RoadFan]

Sauce is a more likeable guy and an exceptional cover corner.   That said, Revis was a great tackler.  Sauce occasionally doesn’t even attempt to make the tackle.

[Green Ghost]

3 hours ago, Hex said:

While we're at it, let's punt both QW brothers, Garrett Wilson, and Breece Hall.

Jerome Ford (another 2nd year RB who was supposed to back up Chubb, had the same if not better game as Breece Hall last night. Hall wouldn’t bring back much so you’re better off keeping him two more years.

Quincy is earning his money here as is QW, but if we could trade Sauce for a good young WR or get a pick that would allow us to get a WR we should do it and pair that guy with GW. Then we could take a QB or T with our own 1st.

@Matt39 is right. We drafted a man CB and put him in a zone scheme. How could you watch Waddle in the Fins game and the Browns TE go off last night and not think Sauce isn’t being utilized properly here? Sauce is finishing his 2nd season now.
As good as he is, can you name one signature play he’s made here? I watched Witherspoon make about 4 of them in a prime time game earlier this year.

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Jerome Ford (another 2nd year RB who was supposed to back up Chubb, had the same if not better game as Breece Hall last night. Hall wouldn’t bring back much so you’re better off keeping him two more years.

Quincy is earning his money here as is QW, but if we could trade Sauce for a good young WR or get a pick that would allow us to get one we should do it and pair that guy with GW.

@Matt39 is right. We drafted a man CB and put him in a zone scheme. How could you watch Waddle in the Fins game and the Browns TE go off last night and not think Sauce isn’t being utilized properly here? Sauce is finishing his 2nd season now.
As good as he is, can you name one signature play he’s made here? I watched Witherspoon make about 4 of them in a prime time game earlier this year.

I mean with Breers comments from earlier today, I get the sense this was a pick made by ownership. Eknowu is a bust, but that felt like the pick up until the day of the draft. I could be wrong but I remember Saleh saying in year 1 that he can find corners, it’s the dline that he wants to utilize premium resources on. At some point you expect the 4th pick in the draft to make a play. Look at Jermaine Johnson’s impact - blocked punts, strip sacks, ints for TDs. That’s the type of impact you want to see

[nj meadowlands]

11 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Jerome Ford (another 2nd year RB who was supposed to back up Chubb, had the same if not better game as Breece Hall last night. Hall wouldn’t bring back much so you’re better off keeping him two more years.

Quincy is earning his money here as is QW, but if we could trade Sauce for a good young WR or get a pick that would allow us to get a WR we should do it and pair that guy with GW. Then we could take a QB or T with our own 1st.

@Matt39 is right. We drafted a man CB and put him in a zone scheme. How could you watch Waddle in the Fins game and the Browns TE go off last night and not think Sauce isn’t being utilized properly here? Sauce is finishing his 2nd season now.
As good as he is, can you name one signature play he’s made here? I watched Witherspoon make about 4 of them in a prime time game earlier this year.

I think his point is actually that Sauce sucks and is soft.  It’s brilliant stuff.