Popular Post PaulHolmes1962 Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 Mahomes obviously has the rings, but clearly Mahomes has a big advantage being paired with Reid compared to Mike McCarthy. I still think I take Aaron over Mahomes. I don’t think KC wants any part of Aaron and the Jets next year. 1 1 2 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Just now, PaulHolmes1962 said: Mahomes obviously has the rings, but clearly Mahomes has a big advantage being paired with Reid compared to Mike McCarthy. I still think I take Aaron over Mahomes. I don’t think KC wants any part of Aaron and the Jets next year. Holmer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets and Redskins Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 I think if Rogers plays next year well, we add a Wr, and some oline this team could play with any team in league. They may not beat all of these teams but they can play with them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Biggs Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, PaulHolmes1962 said: Mahomes obviously has the rings, but clearly Mahomes has a big advantage being paired with Reid compared to Mike McCarthy. I still think I take Aaron over Mahomes. I don’t think KC wants any part of Aaron and the Jets next year. One of the best organizations in football couldn't wait to dump Rodgers so they could start Jordan Love and find out if he could play. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lupz27 Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 Looks like Aaron Rodgers has joined the board. 1 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Beerfish Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 Rodgers is an underachiever career wise re winning and is not even remotely in mahomes league for being a big game QB. It's not close. I'd take Mahomes over Rodgers at any and every stage of their career. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 It’s mahomes, montana, Brady no other QBs are in their class 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Rodgers is an underachiever career wise re winning and is not even remotely in mahomes league for being a big game QB. It's not close. I'd take Mahomes over Rodgers at any and every stage of their career. The truth hurts, but you are correct. As a hockey, you’ll appreciate this…. your post is the same argument that I use when my Ranger fan friends used to argue that Lundqvist was as good as Marty Brodeur.😁 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_O_Brien Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, Biggs said: One of the best organizations in football couldn't wait to dump Rodgers so they could start Jordan Love and find out if he could play. And the Packers duly went from 8-9 to 9-8. Easier to reset and compete in a weak NFC conference. The Jets don't have that luxury, they are trying to compete with the brilliance of Mahomes, and share a conference with other potentially great QBs like Allen, Burrows, Jackson, Herbert, Stroud, etc. It's an arms race in the AFC, with Mahomes as the yardstick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Paul...I like what you've brought to this forum so far. Keep it up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said: And the Packers duly went from 8-9 to 9-8. Easier to reset and compete in a weak NFC conference. The Jets don't have that luxury, they are trying to compete with the brilliance of Mahomes, and share a conference with other potentially great QBs like Allen, Burrows, Jackson, Herbert, Stroud, etc. It's an arms race in the AFC, with Mahomes as the yardstick. Yet GB beat both the Chiefs and the Chargers during the regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Yes, Mahomes is better. But watching yesterday does give a bit more forgiveness, at least for me, on the Rodgers trade. Of course when he got injured we all thought this was a disaster, but it does seem like there are so few quarterbacks actually capable of winning a Super Bowl, and Rodgers is at least one of those guys (perhaps on the fringe a la Stafford, Eli) - but still in there. Purdy is probably closer to Cousins/Dak, and hell they’re damn good players that deserve respect, but Mahomes just came alive in the fourth quarter (+ OT) and was unstoppable against a dope d-line, Fred Warner and with an objectively sub-par cast around him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 21 minutes ago, PaulHolmes1962 said: Mahomes obviously has the rings, but clearly Mahomes has a big advantage being paired with Reid compared to Mike McCarthy. I still think I take Aaron over Mahomes. I don’t think KC wants any part of Aaron and the Jets next year. didn't read the other comments but the answer is 100% yes. Mahomes is different. You can say he has Andy Ried, and yes that helps, but Andy Ried isn't driving the ball down the field with time expiring to win games. Mahomes still has some issues starting off hot, but when you are that good at end of games, it doesn't matter. His overall skill set + the clutch gene really makes this a no brainer. Mahomes is on pace to catch tom brady, which just a few years ago, seemed like a feat that would never happen again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jigsaw89 Posted February 12 Popular Post Share Posted February 12 Rodgers, 41 coming off a torn Achilles. I'm prepared to be disappointed next year. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_O_Brien Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, Biggs said: Yet GB beat both the Chiefs and the Chargers during the regular season. and lost to the lowly Raiders, Broncos and Steelers. The 2023 Green Bay Packers are a seven win team if they had to play in the AFC. No better than the Rodgers-less Jets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, K_O_Brien said: and lost to the lowly Raiders, Broncos and Steelers. The 2023 Green Bay Packers are a seven win team if they had to play in the AFC. No better than the Rodgers-less Jets. KC lost to the Raiders so did the Jets. The Steelers made the playoffs from the rough and tumble AFC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 36 minutes ago, PaulHolmes1962 said: Mahomes obviously has the rings, but clearly Mahomes has a big advantage being paired with Reid compared to Mike McCarthy. I still think I take Aaron over Mahomes. I don’t think KC wants any part of Aaron and the Jets next year. Similar to Brady, Mahomes benefits from being with Reid. Do not get me wrong he is in the G.O.A.T. conversation. The offense was stagnant until Reid figured the 49ers out. Then like the previous two games against Buffalo and Baltimore. The Chiefs effortlessly went up and down the field. I do not know where I heard it. I think a Patriots podcast. Anyways, they were comparing Brady - Mahomes - Rogers. They said all three play it safe when the game is still in the balance. However, when plays need to be made or you lose, Brady and Mahomes will try to make plays and be a little more riskier than Rodgers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Rodgers was owned by Eli Manning in Green Bay with a chance to go to the SB. Rodgers shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Mahomes. Even though I just did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 minutes ago, PFSIKH said: Similar to Brady, Mahomes benefits from being with Reid. Do not get me wrong he is in the G.O.A.T. conversation. The offense was stagnant until Reid figured the 49ers out. Then like the previous two games against Buffalo and Baltimore. The Chiefs effortlessly went up and down the field. I do not know where I heard it. I think a Patriots podcast. Anyways, they were comparing Brady - Mahomes - Rogers. They said all three play it safe when the game is still ion the balance. However, when plays need to be made or you lose, Brady and Mahomes will try to make plays and be a little more riskier than Rodgers. Rodgers insisted the the Jets hire Hackett. Rodgers isn't coachable. That's one of the reasons the Packers wanted to dump his ass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 27 minutes ago, oatmeal said: It’s mahomes, montana, Brady no other QBs are in their class Elway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_O_Brien Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, Biggs said: KC lost to the Raiders so did the Jets. The Steelers made the playoffs from the rough and tumble AFC. The NFC wasn't very good this year. Even the 49ers had a losing record v the AFC. Easier for the Packers to make the transition form Rodgers to Love, whilst hoping to compete, which they have. The Jets took a more aggressive short-term approach, in trying to challenge in a more competitive conference. It didn't work out, but the logic was sound, until Rodgers blew his knee after four plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrebetOverKeyshawn Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 From a cerebral standpoint I think Aaron is the best in the nfl, it’s all about whether the health can keep up. Last two years for him were injury plagued with the Achilles and broken thumb in 2022. The two healthy years before that he was still in god mode. Until Aaron has a down year where he’s healthy you have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 10 minutes ago, Biggs said: Rodgers was owned by Eli Manning in Green Bay with a chance to go to the SB. Rodgers shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Mahomes. Even though I just did. uhhhh brady was owned twice by eli with a chance to win the SB. Logic doesn't hold up. Regardless, it's Mahomes > everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 7 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: uhhhh brady was owned twice by eli with a chance to win the SB. Logic doesn't hold up. Regardless, it's Mahomes > everyone. I've seen everyone except Otto Graham who could even be in consideration. I thought Mahomes was the best I ever saw at the end of his second year. He's done nothing to change my mind except continue to handle the pressure even though he is no longer a kid having fun. He's a man with the pressure and responsability to carry his team. He's amazing. Great talent and mentally tough as nails. Eli owned Brady on a neutral field. He owned Rodgers in GB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 5 minutes ago, Biggs said: Rodgers insisted the the Jets hire Hackett. Rodgers isn't coachable. That's one of the reasons the Packers wanted to dump his ass. Not arguing that. I am talking about him being risk adverse when talking Mahomes vs Rodgers. QB Ability? Rodgers. Killer instinct? Mahomes. Regarding your point, is it uncoachable or arrogant? I would lean more towards arrogant. McCarthy is a good, but hardly seems brilliant. LaFleur is barely older than A-A-Ron. I would think A-A-Ron is "WTF do these guys know?". Hackett is someone he can manipulate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Yes, not even that close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, PFSIKH said: Not arguing that. I am talking about him being risk adverse when talking Mahomes vs Rodgers. QB Ability? Rodgers. Killer instinct? Mahomes. Regarding your point, is it uncoachable or arrogant? I would lean more towards arrogant. McCarthy is a good, but hardly seems brilliant. LaFleur is barely older than A-A-Ron. I would think A-A-Ron is "WTF do these guys know?". Hackett is someone he can manipulate. To be fair, he had the most success under Hackett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Rodgers never got the “can’t win the big one” moniker because he won the Super Bowl in his 2nd year as a starter but the guy has lost the NFC Title Game four times, has lost at home as the MVP and #1 seed three times, and despite not having another championship winning rival in the conference during most of his tenure on top, only made it to one Super Bowl. We evaluate our best athletes on post season success. Mahomes is in a different category than Rodgers, TBH. Mahomes is with Brady and Montana. Rodgers is with Peyton and Marino. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, PaulHolmes1962 said: Mahomes obviously has the rings, but clearly Mahomes has a big advantage being paired with Reid compared to Mike McCarthy. I still think I take Aaron over Mahomes. I don’t think KC wants any part of Aaron and the Jets next year. The delusion is already off the charts. This offseason is gonna be wild. 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: To be fair, he had the most success under Hackett. Not true. He had his success under Matt LaFleur. Hackett got coffee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHolmes1962 Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, UntouchableCrew said: Rodgers never got the “we can’t win the big one” moniker because he won the Super Bowl in his 2nd year as a starter but the guy has lost the NFC Title Game four times, has lost at home as the #1 seed three times, and despite not having another championship winning rival in the conference during most of his tenure on top, only made it to one Super Bowl. We evaluate our best athletes on post season success. Mahomes is in a different category than Rodgers, TBH. Mahomes is with Brady and Montana. Rodgers is with Peyton and Marino. The Packers lost those games. Not Aaron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 In the World of What Have You Done For Me Lately. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 59 minutes ago, section314 said: The truth hurts, but you are correct. As a hockey, you’ll appreciate this…. your post is the same argument that I use when my Ranger fan friends used to argue that Lundqvist was as good as Marty Brodeur.😁 A bit of a BS argument since Brodeur had a loaded team in front of him, including terrific defensemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 11 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: The delusion is already off the charts. This offseason is gonna be wild. Not true. He had his success under Matt LaFleur. Hackett got coffee. When Hackett wasn't there to get coffee in 2022, they took a pretty big step back on offense. Some of that was Davante being gone, but they scored 80 less points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Mahomes is on his way to Hall of Fame Rodgers has it sewed up already two of the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 1 hour ago, PaulHolmes1962 said: Mahomes obviously has the rings, but clearly Mahomes has a big advantage being paired with Reid compared to Mike McCarthy. I still think I take Aaron over Mahomes. I don’t think KC wants any part of Aaron and the Jets next year. I think we have either the next to get banned, our next JN Captain, or Rookie of the Year in @PaulHolmes1962 I just can’t decide which? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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