22DaFuTuRe51 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 The New Orleans Saints completed a trade with the New York Jets to acquire linebacker Jonathan Vilma. Vilma Though terms of the deal weren't announced, it is believed Vilma will go to the Saints for a fourth-round pick in 2009 that could be upgraded to a third-round based on how he plays in 2008. Vilma is in the final year of his contract and he goes to New Orleans without a new deal. The Jets started shopping him in the past couple of weeks. Drafted to be a middle linebacker in a 4-3 defense, Vilma didn't fit in as well when Eric Mangini installed a 3-4 defense. Vilma's knee problems also influenced the Jets' decision to move him. For the Saints, it was a busy opening to the start of free agency. On Thursday night, they re-signed defensive tackle Brian Young to a three-year, $12 million contract with a $4 million signing bonus. They also re-signed linebacker Mark Simoneau to a three-year, $4.9 million contract that included a $1.4 million signing bonus. John Clayton is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstantClassic Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 We got raped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KudosForND Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 worst trade in nfl history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Yeah this is dumb. A 3rd 2 years from now? I'd rather take the 4th this year then. I guess we knew we weren't going to re-sign him, so we figured we should at least get something for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Ouch! Should have been a 3rd. outright with a possibility for a 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Uhh, 49ers logo? My brain hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny green balls Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 this tells me his knee might be spaghetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Wow, I have to echo everyone's opinion. Who the hell is running this team. The democrats. The saints aren't on welfare last time I checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 The worst thing about this is any benefit we might get back is way off in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravejamriot Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 He hasn't been a real difference maker in 2 years, had a major knee injury and can't run yet. We know he was an impact player, but honestly his value is low right now. We have no choice but to take this deal. My guess is the Lions looked at his knee and said no, why else would they bring him in and then we hear nothing about a deal with them other than one involving DRob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Now Vilma and Reggie Bush can have bench pressing contests. First one to 5 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34st GANG Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Wow, I have to echo everyone's opinion. Who the hell is running this team. The democrats. The saints aren't on welfare last time I checked. Too funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I've heard about 5 different rumors on what he'll be traded for, i'd recomend we wait until the official terms of the trade comes out before we curse the team. I also would like to say that we aren't the only people who understand the comensatory picks, so for whatever we get i gurantee its the most we could have gotten for him. Half of you act like you would be able to convince a team to give us more for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KudosForND Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 but we coldve got atleast a 5th rounder this year and that conditionally draft pick then ill be alil happier i kno we were gonna get rid of him anyway but that guy we get with that pick is gonna have alot of pressure all i hope for is saints 0-16 and vilma is a probowler breaks records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceman88 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I really don't know why people are pissed, this was probably the best deal the FO was offered. They took it knowing it was better to get something than nothing. Also this isn't confirmed at all so don't freak out yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Jet1121 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Whoa... i offically am pissed at Tanny. What a idiot... a 4th rounder this will be the biggest joke on espn tonight Saints raped us thats for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistalava Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 A 4th round pick is the *worst* case scenario. Damaged goods whose play has declined and is a FA after this season -- not a bad deal at all. Vilma is a long way from being the defensive centerpiece that some are making him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KudosForND Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 why didnt we keep him for the first 4 games to show he can play and get 2nd rounder for the same draft that we are getting from anyway. i hate this ttrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Whoa... i offically am pissed at Tanny. What a idiot... a 4th rounder this will be the biggest joke on espn tonight What would you give for a player coming off knee surgery with one year left on his contract? If the Jets eventually get the lowest possible compensatory pick, it'll mean that Vilma didn't do much of anything in '08. If that's the case, a 4th rounder in '09 would be a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 He hasn't been a real difference maker in 2 years, had a major knee injury and can't run yet. We know he was an impact player, but honestly his value is low right now. We have no choice but to take this deal. And whose fault is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMan57 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 What do you expect for a guy who had major knee surgery? Turn the tables and become a saints fan, would you give up an unprotected 1st or 2nd rounder for Vilma? I wouldnt. Look at it from their end. We just got a 3 time pro bowler for a 3rd and 5th. Teams are giving away the farm for a currently rehabbing player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Jon Vilma is a good, not great, player in a scheme different from the one we use. Eric freaking Barton is a better 3-4 ILB. Additionally he is coming off knee surgery. I have no idea why people think we just traded Ray Lewis circa 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Mart28 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Whoa... i offically am pissed at Tanny. What a idiot... a 4th rounder this will be the biggest joke on espn tonight Saints raped us thats for sure Like we were a joke when we traded Herm for a fourth (Leon)? I think that worked out in our favor. I dont think it really matters what year the pick is, would it have been nice to have it this year? Sure, but as things get clearer on this team year to year that pick will be more valuable since we will begin shoring up positions of need for next year, when the schedule gets tough again. Also, with Vilma and his knee, that is a big factor in what we were going to get. As someone said earlier, the Lions were really interested until they brought him in for a physical, all of the sudden those talks died, there has to be a reason for that, and in all likelyhood it was the knee. So far next years draft looks like it could be a busy one, we already have an extra third at least, as well as Washington's fourth, not to mention what else we might get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bravejamriot Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 why didnt we keep him for the first 4 games to show he can play and get 2nd rounder for the same draft that we are getting from anyway. i hate this ttrade Trades during the season don't happen as easily as in other sports. Plus, then a team is trading for him and will only have him for 12 games and going to give up a 2nd rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 OK I wanted Vilma out but that return is ****ing pathetic!!! A 4th in 09?? Unbelievable!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C-Mart28 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 why didnt we keep him for the first 4 games to show he can play and get 2nd rounder for the same draft that we are getting from anyway. i hate this ttrade And what if he couldnt play? Then we settle for a fifth or sixth rounder and people bash the organization for not trading him befor the season, much like now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Trades during the season don't happen as easily as in other sports. Plus, then a team is trading for him and will only have him for 12 games and going to give up a 2nd rounder? Only thing I don't understand is what the rush was. If we weren't going to get a pick until next year's draft, why not wait until the summer -- or at least until he's up & running? They seem to have acted a little desperate on this one & we were not in a desperate situation. He clears a whopping $1.1M on the cap. There was just no rush if the UPside of the compensation was a 3rd rounder in NEXT year's draft, IF he has a good season in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 This makes me ****ing puke. **** TANGINI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 This makes no sense UNLESS the compensation being reported isn't correct. If there is a chance at a 2nd rounder then I can understand taking this gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KudosForND Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 i no its unlikely but Vilma is a top 10 linebacker and one injury shouldnt make his value that low this is gonna be randy moss trade all over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I'm starting to hate our fat coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I'm starting to hate our fat coach. Should we have kept Vilma? His knee is questionable at best and he sucks in the 3-4. We would bitch about him being a) injured and useless or healthy and useless. And then he would walk at the end of the year for no compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOExcusesNYJ Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 We got raped. thats putting it mildly. I hope tangini's ass stops bleeding before we make another deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Should we have kept Vilma? His knee is questionable at best and he sucks in the 3-4. We would bitch about him being a) injured and useless or healthy and useless. And then he would walk at the end of the year for no compensation. A 4th round pick ? We know how Vilma can play in the right defense, I hope NO loses every game because of this trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Only thing I don't understand is what the rush was. If we weren't going to get a pick until next year's draft, why not wait until the summer -- or at least until he's up & running? They seem to have acted a little desperate on this one & we were not in a desperate situation. He clears a whopping $1.1M on the cap. There was just no rush if the UPside of the compensation was a 3rd rounder in NEXT year's draft, IF he has a good season in 2008. yeah that's my only complaint also. What was the rush? Only thing I can think is that there was very little interest, and NO had the attitude that it's either now or we are moving on to another MLB. Still think it is decent value for a player who wasn't going to contribute this season, and walk away next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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